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What are the requirenments to go to heaven

What is normally required to get to Heaven?(Check all that apply)

  • Believe that you are a hell-deserving sinner.

  • Believe that Jesus died for your sins.

  • Accept Jesus as the Lord of your life.

  • Accept Jesus as your personal saviour.

  • Get baptized.

  • Invite Jesus into your heart.

  • Live a good life from now on.

  • Refrain from gross sin, such as mass murder, from now on.

  • None of the above.

  • Not applicable: I don't believe in Heaven


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What all is required to go to heaven? Please list everything that is required. If there are additional requirements besides the ones I listed, please detail them here.

Thanks.
There are only two things "required to go to heaven":

#1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your strength;

#2. Love your neighbor as yourself.


Everything else is just frosting on the cake.

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A real faith does change people for the better. Often slowly and in fits-and-starts, but it does change people.

And if it doesn't change them, then do they burn in hell?
 
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#1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your strength;

#2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Everything else is just frosting on the cake.
Ah, so this faith that ebia talks about is just frosting on the cake? The important thing is love?
 
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Ah, so this faith that ebia talks about is just frosting on the cake? The important thing is love?
Love for God is the fruit of Faith in God. The two cannot be separated.

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It does change them, so I don't know how to answer an impossible hypothetical.

What if they don't want to be changed. Does it force them to change against their will?
 
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You need to keep in mind you can not love something you do not believe in. If someone does not believe in God, they can not love God.
Ah, faith is just a prerequisite to meeting the requirements. That is quite different from the words of ebia, who says it is faith alone.
 
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What if they don't want to be changed. Does it force them to change against their will?
Again, that's a non-answerable question. What happens if a white thing is black. How can I trust someone yet not trust them.

Faith is trusting God. That includes trusting God to transform us.
 
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What if they don't want to be changed. Does it force them to change against their will?
Once you have personally met God "face-to-face" and experienced for yourself His Glory and Love, you cannot help but desire with all your heart, mind, soul, and spirit to change and become what He makes it possible to become--His adopted child and Jesus Christ's brother/sister.

Christians surrender to God and His Power to change out of love for His Love, not out of fear of His wrath--"There is no fear in love, but perfect Love casts out all fear." (I John 4:18)

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doubtingmerle said:
the only requirement is that the Judge allow one in
And what does the judge require of a person before he lets him in?
Am not God, but would imagine that depends on the person and the life He judges.

I do know He has revealed a Way that helps us stay on a path there.

If you are looking for generalities that we could say would apply to all humans every where and at all times; then I would think God capable of fairly judging those who love Him, themselves and others (as themselves) - maybe even some liberal democrats.
 
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Faith is trusting God. That includes trusting God to transform us.

Ok, but you originally said, ""faith in Jesus Christ, his death and resurrection, and that alone". Some people use the expression "faith alone" to mean all that is required for eternal bliss is belief, and that people are not required to want God to transform them to get into heaven. You are vehemently opposed to that message, aren't you? And yet you use the same words they use. Can you see how this is confusing? People use stock expressions like "faith in Jesus Christ" and yet they mean different things when they use that expression, and then they bob and weave and evade the question when people ask them exactly what they mean.

You say faith alone, but your salvation apparently includes a commitment to let Christ transform you (that would be item #3 on the survey, in case you actually want to answer the survey).

If you must commit to the transformation in order to receive this eternal bliss, then salvation is not a free gift, is it?
 
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I would think God capable of fairly judging those who love Him, themselves and others (as themselves) - maybe even some liberal democrats.

Ah, so it is not so much what faith you have, which rituals you practice, which creed you adopt, which book you follow, or what standard you emulate. God will judge you and give you what is fair.

If I could pick a God, I would pick yours. I would want a God that is above all else, fair in his dealings.
 
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Once you have personally met God "face-to-face" and experienced for yourself His Glory and Love, you cannot help but desire with all your heart, mind, soul, and spirit to change and become what He makes it possible to become

Just checking, which loving God are you referring to? Are you referring to the loving God who treats people fairly and mercifully, regardless of their creed on earth, or the loving God who shuts people out in eternal hell if they had the "wrong" beliefs on earth?
 
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Ah, so it is not so much what faith you have, which rituals you practice, which creed you adopt, which book you follow, or what standard you emulate. God will judge you and give you what is fair.

If I could pick a God, I would pick yours. I would want a God that is above all else, fair in his dealings.
Yes, God must be Just and Fair. Which means regardless of what path I am on, ultimately the Knowledge of whether it was a question of my will or Thy Will at the end of the journey makes all the difference.

If I drive very safely all the way across the country only to die in the last mile of my journey in an intentional act of reckless abandon, am I excused from accountability because of the balance of my driving the "right" way? We Catholics do not think so.

As CS Lewis famously said, if in the end it was my will over Thy Will be done, then God is Just and Fair in saying to me thy will be done. Unlike us, God is capable of seeing right through each person and is able to make that Judgement on us all.

As to paths one is on in this life, my meaning was not that the chosen path does not matter. It matters a great deal, especially if there really is a choice. I believe there is one True Way or path, and being on that Way would help one say Thy Will be done in this life, in fact it would offer the greatest help in that regard. Not a guarantee by any means, but the most help.

Seems reasonable to me that other paths through this life would offer less or even no help and some possibly deterimental to making it to Heaven. As certain as I am that my end is not set because of the path I am currently on, am also certain that does not mean everyone on these other paths is doomed. That being said, there is only one desirable destination in eternal life, so it makes sense there be one best way to get there.
 
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Ok, but you originally said, ""faith in Jesus Christ, his death and resurrection, and that alone".
Whatever I say is somewhat shorthand. Trust in Jesus .... includes trusting him to do stuff, like transform us.


Some people use the expression "faith alone" to mean all that is required for eternal bliss is belief, and that people are not required to want God to transform them to get into heaven.
Faith is much more than simply belief. Belief is an acceptance of something as a fact or truth. Faith is trusting someone - that requires belief but is a lot more than simply belief. As St James puts it, "even the demons believe..."

You are vehemently opposed to that message, aren't you? And yet you use the same words they use. Can you see how this is confusing?
Natural languages have ambiguities. I can't do much about that except explain what I mean as clearly as I can to the questions you ask. I can't say everything in every post or they would be so long I would never stop writting them, let alone expect you to read them.

People use stock expressions like "faith in Jesus Christ" and yet they mean different things when they use that expression, and then they bob and weave and evade the question when people ask them exactly what they mean.
I'm certainly not trying to bob and weave, but some of your questions are such that a direct answer isn't possible. If one trusts Jesus (has faith in him) then he does transform you, so I can't answer the question - "what if he doesn't". It's like being asked "ok, if you step off the cliff but don't fall, what then?"

You say faith alone, but your salvation apparently includes a commitment to let Christ transform you (that would be item #3 on the survey, in case you actually want to answer the survey).
If you aren't trusting Christ then it isn't faith - it may be that you believe, but it's trust and faith that are near synonyms, not faith and belief.

If you must commit to the transformation in order to receive this eternal bliss, then salvation is not a free gift, is it?
Faith itself is a gift. But gift is simply a metaphor for trying to explain what is going on (not one I personally like much) - like all metaphors one can press it to the point of sillyness.

I'm not answering the poll because there are so many issues with the wording that I feel any answer I did give would be grossly misleading. Eg

What is normally required to get to Heaven?(Check all that apply)
Use of the word required and heaven, both of which I've already mentioned

Believe that you are a hell-deserving sinner.
Issues with the word 'hell'. There is some truth, but the thing is written completely backwards.
Believe that Jesus died for your sins.
We need to talk about faith or trust, not simply belief, and about resurrection, not just death.

Accept Jesus as the Lord of your life.
About the closest option, if combined with a revamped version of the previous and the words "of your life" are removed. With those words it's much too individualistic and potentially private. The Judeo/Christian tradition is first and formost about communities, not individuals.

Accept Jesus as your personal saviour
As the saviour. Not first and formost my saviour, but the saviour of all creation.
etc.
 
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Just checking, which loving God are you referring to? Are you referring to the loving God who treats people fairly and mercifully, regardless of their creed on earth, or the loving God who shuts people out in eternal hell if they had the "wrong" beliefs on earth?
In the end, the only people who will be kept out of God's Kingdom are the people who don't want to be part of it; who refuse the putting-to-rights that is necessary to be part of it. Who won't put their trust in Jesus and his resurrection that is the anticipation of ours. A world put right cannot include people who aren't.

What that exclusion looks like is an important question - the classical image owes as much to Dante as the bible, which only talks about it through metaphor.

Try this as an imperfect metaphor. You are in a Star Trek episode. Your world is about to be overtaken by a catastrophe and the Enterprise has turned up to lift your community to safety and then put them back once the catastrophe is over. You've seen Kirk beamed in and out, but unless you trust them to do that to you, you aren't going to make it to the other side. (As a metaphor it doesn't capture what's actually going on for either the world or the people, but hopefully it illustrates a part of the story).

Jesus' resurrection is the example and the promise that this works. The prototype of what is going to happen and is happening in hearts and in principle. To ask to be included but not trust means cannot work.
 
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Just checking, which loving God are you referring to? Are you referring to the loving God who treats people fairly and mercifully, regardless of their creed on earth, or the loving God who shuts people out in eternal hell if they had the "wrong" beliefs on earth?
MY DEAR FRIEND,

Only the first description fits God.

The second description has no validity or expression in reality given that there is only one God.

Instead of being content to lick crumbs from the floor beneath the table--why don't you meet Him for yourself, and i guarantee all your questions will be answered in the blink of an eye.

A BOND-SLAVE/FRIEND/BROTHER OF OUR LORD/GOD/SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST,
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