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What ARE The Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven anyhow?

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Is Paul a big bad gnostic because he wrote NO GOOD thing IN THE FLESH (and EVIL is PRESENT IN ME)^_^

Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing

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:D Perhaps some of us might need to be "gnostic" to understand Paul. ^_^
I found this site interesting studying on some of the more "mysterious teachings" concerning the "resurrection".

2 Peter 3:4 and saying, `Where is the promise of the ParousiaV <3952> of Him? For since which the fathers were-reposed, all/panta <3956> thus is continuing from beginning of creation;'

http://ourworld.cs.com/preteristabcs/id84.htm

................Given the unique nature of this Pauline doctrine in a letter which is supposed to correct eschatological misconceptions, it must be asked if it is appropriate to assume that Paul is here innovating a completely new teaching. Proper pedagogy elucidates the unclear by the clear, not by the unprecedented.

Why would Paul have concocted a &#8220;general assumption of all believers,&#8221; a doctrine which has no basis in any other Jewish or Christian teaching, in hopes of alleviating misunderstanding among the Thessalonians regarding the fate of their departed?

It should rather be supposed that Paul is not teaching a general rapture at all. That this verse involves a literal rapture of believers is far from necessary, particularly in light of 1QM which may well form the conceptual background for much of this pericope.
 
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The reality of sin


Sin is present in human history; any attempt to ignore it or to give this dark reality other names would be futile. To try to understand what sin is, one must first recognize the profound relation of man to God, for only in this relationship is the evil of sin unmasked in its true identity as humanity's rejection of God and opposition to him, even as it continues to weigh heavy on human life and history.

Only the light of divine Revelation clarifies the reality of sin and particularly of the sin committed at mankind's origins. Without the knowledge Revelation gives of God we cannot recognize sin clearly and are tempted to explain it as merely a developmental flaw, a psychological weakness, a mistake, or the necessary consequence of an inadequate social structure, etc. Only in the knowledge of God's plan for man can we grasp that sin is an abuse of the freedom that God gives to created persons so that they are capable of loving him and loving one another.

Original Sin&#8212;an essential truth of the faith


With the progress of Revelation, the reality of sin is also illuminated. Although to some extent the People of God in the Old Testament had tried to understand the pathos of the human condition in the light of the history of the fall narrated in Genesis, they could not grasp this story's ultimate meaning, which is revealed only in the light of the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. We must know Christ as the source of grace in order to know Adam as the source of sin. The Spirit-Paraclete, sent by the risen Christ, came to *"convict the world concerning sin," by revealing him who is its Redeemer.

The doctrine of original sin is, so to speak, the "reverse side" of the Good News that Jesus is the Savior of all men, that all need salvation, and that salvation is offered to all through Christ. The Church, which has the mind of Christ, **knows very well that we cannot tamper with the revelation of original sin without undermining the mystery of Christ.



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John 16:8
And when he comes he will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and condemnation


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1 Corinthians 2:16
And when he comes he will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and condemnation
 
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The consequences of Adam's sin for humanity


All men are implicated in Adam's sin, as St. Paul affirms: "By one man's disobedience many [that is, all men] were made sinners": "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned. . . ."* The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man's act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."**

How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam "as one body of one man."293 By this "unity of the human race" all men are implicated in Adam's sin, as all are implicated in Christ's justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed"&#8212;a state and not an act.

Although it is proper to each individual,original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it; subject to ignorance, suffering, and the dominion of death; and inclined to sin&#8212;an inclination to evil that is called "concupiscence." Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back toward God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.


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Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned

Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of one person the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of one the many will be made righteous


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Romans 5:18
just as through one transgression condemnation came upon all, so through one righteous act acquittal and life came to all
 
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I take that as a "No" from Jack^_^
All I see is commentaries being put up and would like him to supply a link so I can "peruse" the site giving them.
 
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have you heard of the Gnostics?

I have read and heard that they believed the flesh was evil and that is where the evil was.

Uh, the Gnostics did believe that "material" was evil and "spirit" was not. That last part is your imposition.

Sounds a bit like what you are saying with "indwelling". If I am wrong please correct me and try to make your view clear.

Paul already made the observation of presence of sin "indwelling" his flesh in Romans 7:17-21 and openly described that "indwelling sin" as NO LONGER I. It is the imposition of evil in the flesh to deny that presentation, and it "works" nearly every time.
Otherwise, please look up the Gnostics and their beliefs and see if it compares to yours. Let me know...:thumbsup:

Sorry, not Gnostic. Nice try though Jack.

enjoy!

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Luke 17:24
For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

There is a most certain "working" that transpires under the "light" in this world. The ones "hidden" in our flesh are both aroused and revealed. The "hidden ones" say in their heart, "I AM SAFE" and no harm shall befoul me, because they are hidden.

YET the Word shines UPON THEM, and AROUSES them, and causes them to SPRING UP so that we can "perceive them." This is a working of The Word.

Just as "the lawlessness" that was HIDDEN in the flesh of Israel was aroused unto condemnation and judgement, that SAME WORKING is "accelerated" under the Hand of Jesus Christ, Grace and Truth.

How you say? Look at the produce of those "weeds." The promotion of the eternal torture of our fellow man, whom we are COMMANDED to LOVE. This is A WORKING OF THE LORD, that the SIN that dwells IN THE FLESH would SHOW themselves openly in preparation for FINAL JUDGMENT. That SIN becomes "exceedingly sinful."

You may think you are awash in SECURITY, but that is suredly NOT the case for what abides in OUR FLESH, and from "their works and workings" Gods children both SEE and JUDGE them accordingly.

There shines the light, and the "wheat" and the "tare" grow together. The children of the flesh and the children of God abide side by side in THE SAME FLESH. A vessel of honor and a vessel of wrath are in the SAME LUMP.

To the one, God hardens. To the other, God LIFTS UP.

He has set "eternal life" in the SAME LUMP with that which will have "eternal death."

enjoy!

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Uh, the Gnostics did believe that "material" was evil and "spirit" was not. That last part is your imposition.

I am not imposing anything on you squint. It was a question for clarification.

Do you believe all flesh is evil and all spirit is good?

Don't you think Original Sin has been a cause for man's evil?
 
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I am not imposing anything on you squint. It was a question for clarification.

Do you believe all flesh is evil and all spirit is good?

The flesh of mankind is a compilation of WET DUST that is made in the "Image of God."
Don't you think Original Sin has been a cause for man's evil?

Learn your lesson O child of God:

SIN IS OF THE DEVIL. The DEVIL is an ANTI-CHRIST SPIRIT in whom is NO LIFE and NO TRUTH.

IF any man measure unto your fellow MANKIND, no LIFE, then I know who sits AND RULES in THAT particular TEMPLE and it ain't GODS OFFSPRING.

Do not be a "partaker" of "her sins."

enjoy!

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26 If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who rejects the law of Moses is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated, and insults the spirit of grace? 30 We know the one who said: "Vengeance is mine; I will repay," and again: "The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
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Peter was to make disciples by preaching the gospel.
To bring souls into the kingdom. He had the key when he was the first to say that Jesus was the Christ, the son of the living God--the only way into the kingdom.

3000 people found their way into the kingdom the very first day, when Peter preached this truth.
He did indeed have the keys to the kingdom.
Yes, and people think that the kingdom is a physical place, but Jesus says that the kingdom is within you.

What is the key to the kingdom entering into you, but proclaiming Christ, and at the same time one enters into the ruleship or kingship of Christ by proclaiming Him LORD.

For it says that CHRIST is our ROCK and foundation, our capstone. And all our other structures/works are built upon him.

It's amazing to think that one will try and base the foundation of all truth on one single verse used out of context. But many have.
 
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I got my processor woking again...
After tellin' John I bought Sgt Peppers, I remembered & said,"That was the year I first tried pot." I looked at him sidewys with a halfway sort-of-a grin. He put up hid hand & & said,"Now wait a minute.."
I laughed and said, "No, I don't blame you for anything, but...I always wondered,... how serious you were about religion." He grabbed his chin & thought for half a second & said,"Well,... I speak Sanskrit."
I just nodded, and thought for second myself.
Then I told him that after his Live Peace In Toronto Album & gettin' real political, I realy stopped listenin' to him to spend more time & asttention on the blues.
His eyebrows went up & he raised his head & started to nod, giving me the thumbs up.
We walked, I don't know, 5-10 blocks up Telegraph Avenue, and maybe one block left was the Regency Street Apartments, about a half-dozen condos in a row.
We walked up the porch on the one on the far end.
He opened the screen door, & then unlocked & opened the front door. It was kinda wierd how there was a couch right by the door. He took one step in, pivoted & sat on the couch, kicked up his heel, reached down & started yankin' off his shoe. He's lookin' up at me like he expects me to keep talkin', but he hadn't invited me in or asked me any engaging questions. I just stood there, probably with a dumb look on my face as the screen door slung shut. Sorta right in my face.
I don't think he meant for that to happen, but it took me by surprise & I felt my Mid-Western manners get offended, so I just turned my back to him & took a step forward, lookin' up at the stars & thinkin' "Wha-?"
It was wierd. but I was cool. I didn't wanna bend his ear off anyway. And then I hear some voices around the corner...
So I walk down the steps & around the corner sorta to see what's up, & sorta to get away from that awkward moment.
I find myself walkin' up next to Ringo Star, Paul McCartney, & about 4 or 5 others, jut standin' in a circle talkin'. They were havin' about the most painfully boring conversation I'd ever heard, mostly about cool buildings & cars. I was excited about the possibilities of hearin' somethin' about music. I didn't want to seem like a zombie fan, & I didn't want to be suspected of being a cop, so I lit up a fatty & passed it to Ringo.
Pretty quick, the conversation started bein' about food.
One guy said somethin' about meetin' at the IHOP, so we started the 4-5 block walk in that direction.
Ringo, Paul, & me were walkin' 3 abreast out front. Paul's knees buckled & me & Ringo caught him by his wrists & forearms & held him up. Lookin' back I saw the guys behind us look real disapprovin', shakin' their heads & one guy said somethin' & they all turned around & walked away. The three of us continued on in the restaurant as Paul gained his composure.
Nobody else was in the restaurant, except John already, and he was with some guy I recognized a dozen years later as a lawyer who wrote an unauthorized biography.
Turns out John was seperated from Yoko, havin' an affair with his much younger Asian secretary, & hangin' out with Harry Nillson. If you're familiar with Harry's work, you might notice how big of an influence he was on John's writing style.
Anyway, we took a seat at a different table & they ordered meals. They hadn't offered me anything & I was broke, so I just asked for water.
Halfway thru the meal, I couldn't take it any more.
I hadn't heard one thing said about music & I was starvin' & I was out of patience.
Now thinkin' back, I can see how what I said may have been interpreted as wise-ass, but I didn't want to be the usual boring fan. I just spoke spontaneously, & said,"Do you guys ever listen to Beatle music?"
Like I'd told John, I realy stopped payin' much attention to 'em & I was pretty wrapped up in assessin' my own life at the time, so I wasn't realy thinkin' a lot about what to say, I just wanted to talk music & was fantasizin' about playin'.
Ringo's fork stopped in mid-air on its way to his mouth.
Same with Paul. They both just looked at me, then at each other, then back at me.
Ringo put his fork down & said, I think a little pointedly,"We don't associate with The Beatles!"
I had no thought in my mind about the break-up, I just felt like he'd copped an attitude & dissed me, so I said, "Well maybe that's your problem. You disassociate!"

He looked at Paul & said,"Send the bill out the door."
Paul nodded & put down his fork, backed up his chair, got up & walked over to the register. I saw him speaking to the girl behind the register, gesturing. She nodded, and he left. Then Ringo got up, walked over to the register, spoke & gestured, & then left.
I thinkin',"Wha--?" I look down an see plates half full of food, thinkin' how hungry I was. Then I see the bill! They stuck me with the bill! LOL!
I stood up & picked up the bill. I walked to the register lookin' for a wallet I didn't have, arriving at the register, I said in my best Cockney accent, "I musta fergot me wallet at the Regency where the band is stayin'!" (Hopin' they'd get mobbed).
"Tell ya wot, I'll just sign the back, send it over & we'll take care of it." I signed the back with a flourish. She was too star struck to do anything but nod, so I winked & headed out the door.
Last time I'll let that happen!
I must'of spent 2 & 1/2 months in Berkely.:cool:

Faith is the key.
 
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Yes, and people think that the kingdom is a physical place, but Jesus says that the kingdom is within you.

What is the key to the kingdom entering into you, but proclaiming Christ, and at the same time one enters into the ruleship or kingship of Christ by proclaiming Him LORD.

For it says that CHRIST is our ROCK and foundation, our capstone. And all our other structures/works are built upon him.

It's amazing to think that one will try and base the foundation of all truth on one single verse used out of context. But many have.


Tell me about it... (rolls eyes)
 
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This simple, yet PROFOUND truth, that "the kingdom is within you; that the key to the kingdom entering into you is but proclaiming Christ, and at the same time one enters into the ruleship or kingship of Christ by proclaiming Him LORD and that Christ is our ROCK and FOUNDATION" is well represented throughtout the scriptures.

But men, because they are good at doing this, base whole doctrines and all truth on one scripture taken out of context and the meaning thereof is not well represented in scriptures. Such is the case with this doctrine that Jesus appointed Peter to take his place as the foundation and head of the church, yet, why does Paul still say that Jesus is the head of the church? Didn't Peter replace Jesus? Why does Paul say that Jesus is our rock and foundation? Twisting these scriptures is just another method to try and control other people and drive them into submission, so that they will even go against the Holy Spirit within, and the undeniable truth of scriptures in their "obediance".

Satan is quite good at this as well, he takes the words of God and twist them into a lie in order that we will stumble and fall. "Thou shalt become like God!" he says to us

Luke 17:20
20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

1 Corinthians 3
11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Matthew 7

24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

1 Corinthians 10

3They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.


1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
 
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This simple, yet PROFOUND truth, that "the kingdom is within you; that the key to the kingdom entering into you is but proclaiming Christ, and at the same time one enters into the ruleship or kingship of Christ by proclaiming Him LORD and that Christ is our ROCK and FOUNDATION" is well represented throughtout the scriptures.
AMEN!!! PREACH IT! CRY OUT WITH IT!!!!

John 7:37 In yet the last day, the great, of the feast, stood the Jesus and cries-out/ekraxen <2896>, saying, `If-ever any-one doth may be thirsting/diya <1372> (5725), let him be coming toward/proV <4314> Me and be drinking;

Romans 12:20 If-ever then may be hungering the enemy/ecqroV <2190> of you, be you giving morsel to-him. If-ever he may be thirsting/diya <1372> (5725), be you giving drink to-him, for this doing embers/coals of fire you shall be heaping upon the head of him. [Proverbs 25:21,22, Matt 5:44]
 
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I've always been troubled by Rom12:20.
It made being nice to stinkers make me have to check myself to make sure I wasn't just being nice to see him get burned.
Hi. Sometimes it is difficult to tell if Paul is talking in Covenantle language or not but he does appear to use a lot of Hebrew "idioms" from the Old Testament.

I decided to look at Proverbs 25 and the word used in that for "heaping" is also used for "cracked/being dry" and that word is only used in a half dozen places.
Look at Jeremiah 14:4 where the land is "cracked" because of no rain. Pretty fascinating. :)

Romans 12:20 If-ever then may be hungering the enemy of you, be you giving morsel him. If-ever he may be thirsting, be you giving drink to him, for this doing embers/coals of fire you shall be heaping/swreuseiV <4987> upon the head of him.

http://www.scripture4all.org/
I like using this interlinear especially for the HEBREW, not as much for the NT as it uses the W-H manuscript, drat it.

Proverbs 25:21 If famishing, one hating you, give to eat him bread: and if thirsty, give to drink him, waters:
22 That embers you heaping/chathah on his head, and YHWH, He shall repay to you.

Jeremiah 14:4 Because the ground, she is heaped/cracked/chathah , that not became downpour/rain in land. They are ashamed, farmers, they hood their head......
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"It is clear that the 'coals of fire' which are to be heaped on the head are meant to melt and soften the heart, and cause it to glow with love. There may be also included the burning pangs of shame felt by a man whose evil is answered by good. But these are secondary and auxiliary to the true end of kindling the fire of love in his alienated heart" (Maclaren, p. 302-303).
"An alternative view is that the proverb refers to an Egyptian ritual in which a man gave public evidence of his penitence by carrying a pan of burning charcoal on his head" (Bruce, p. 230).
"Vengeance may break his spirit; but kindness will break his heart" ... and "move him to burning shame" (Barclay, p. 184).
"Understand as included under the words meat and drink, all acts of kindness. 'Heaping coals of fire' seems to be a sort of a proverbial saying, signifying something intolerable, which cannot be borne without producing strong effects" (Calvin, p. 475).
"The writer once heard of a woman involved in bitter quarrels with her husband. Seeking counsel, she was asked, 'Have you tried heaping coals of fire on his head?' She replied, "No, but I tried a skillet of hot grease!' She, like many others, failed to realize that Paul here used a figure of speech, a style of rhetoric often found in the sacred scriptures. As Richard Batey noted: 'The original meaning of this figure of speech has been lost, but Paul suggests that the enemy will burn with shame for his abuse of one who loves him'" (Coffman, p. 442-43).
"Coals of fire are doubtless emblematical of pain. Burning coals heaped on a man's head would be expressive of intense agony. But the pain will result from shame, remorse of conscience, a conviction of the evil of his conduct, and an apprehension of divine displeasure that may lead to repentance" (Barnes, p. 289).
"....will make him burn with pangs of guilt and remorse" (Layman's, p. 1412).
"'Coals of fire' is a metaphor for keen anguish. Compare the Arabic phrases: 'coals in the heart,' and 'fire in the liver'" (Shedd, p. 374).
 
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Hi. Sometimes it is difficult to tell if Paul is talking in Covenantle language or not but he does appear to use a lot of Hebrew "idioms" from the Old Testament.

I decided to look at Proverbs 25 and the word used in that for "heaping" is also used for "cracked/being dry" and that word is only used in a half dozen places.
Look at Jeremiah 14:4 where the land is "cracked" because of no rain. Pretty fascinating. :)

Romans 12:20 If-ever then may be hungering the enemy of you, be you giving morsel him. If-ever he may be thirsting, be you giving drink to him, for this doing embers/coals of fire you shall be heaping/swreuseiV <4987> upon the head of him.

http://www.scripture4all.org/
I like using this interlinear especially for the HEBREW, not as much for the NT as it uses the W-H manuscript, drat it.

Proverbs 25:21 If famishing, one hating you, give to eat him bread: and if thirsty, give to drink him, waters:
22 That embers you heaping/chathah on his head, and YHWH, He shall repay to you.

Jeremiah 14:4 Because the ground, she is heaped/cracked/chathah , that not became downpour/rain in land. They are ashamed, farmers, they hood their head......
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"It is clear that the 'coals of fire' which are to be heaped on the head are meant to melt and soften the heart, and cause it to glow with love. There may be also included the burning pangs of shame felt by a man whose evil is answered by good. But these are secondary and auxiliary to the true end of kindling the fire of love in his alienated heart" (Maclaren, p. 302-303).
"An alternative view is that the proverb refers to an Egyptian ritual in which a man gave public evidence of his penitence by carrying a pan of burning charcoal on his head" (Bruce, p. 230).
"Vengeance may break his spirit; but kindness will break his heart" ... and "move him to burning shame" (Barclay, p. 184).
"Understand as included under the words meat and drink, all acts of kindness. 'Heaping coals of fire' seems to be a sort of a proverbial saying, signifying something intolerable, which cannot be borne without producing strong effects" (Calvin, p. 475).
"The writer once heard of a woman involved in bitter quarrels with her husband. Seeking counsel, she was asked, 'Have you tried heaping coals of fire on his head?' She replied, "No, but I tried a skillet of hot grease!' She, like many others, failed to realize that Paul here used a figure of speech, a style of rhetoric often found in the sacred scriptures. As Richard Batey noted: 'The original meaning of this figure of speech has been lost, but Paul suggests that the enemy will burn with shame for his abuse of one who loves him'" (Coffman, p. 442-43).
"Coals of fire are doubtless emblematical of pain. Burning coals heaped on a man's head would be expressive of intense agony. But the pain will result from shame, remorse of conscience, a conviction of the evil of his conduct, and an apprehension of divine displeasure that may lead to repentance" (Barnes, p. 289).
"....will make him burn with pangs of guilt and remorse" (Layman's, p. 1412).
"'Coals of fire' is a metaphor for keen anguish. Compare the Arabic phrases: 'coals in the heart,' and 'fire in the liver'" (Shedd, p. 374).

I like the way you "crack" the Words.

When we "love" those whom we may perceive in the flesh as enemies, we do in fact heap coals upon the head of the devil in the process.

Paul showed this same "working" of the Word wherein Pharaoh was hardened, a physical depiction of what "The Word" really does to the "resistance movement" that also abides in the flesh.

In the O.T. another showing of these two realities was in the wearing of sackcloth and ashes either sat upon or tossed upon the head.

Sackcloth is used to contain wheat or corn, which are symbolic of mankind, and ashes are what the devils will be when God finishes with them.

Nice stuff there on the "coals."

When an evil spirit departs a man, it wanders the "dry" or "heated" places and they seek to return to our wet habitat, our bodies.
 
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I like the way you "crack" the Words.

When we "love" those whom we may perceive in the flesh as enemies, we do in fact heap coals upon the head of the devil in the process.

Paul showed this same "working" of the Word wherein Pharaoh was hardened, a physical depiction of what "The Word" really does to the "resistance movement" that also abides in the flesh.

In the O.T. another showing of these two realities was in the wearing of sackcloth and ashes either sat upon or tossed upon the head.

Sackcloth is used to contain wheat or corn, which are symbolic of mankind, and ashes are what the devils will be when God finishes with them.

Nice stuff there on the "coals."

When an evil spirit departs a man, it wanders the "dry" or "heated" places and they seek to return to our wet habitat, our bodies.
:amen: :clap: Thanks for that!!!
Paul also used that word in 2 Timothy and LO! he used it in regard to "Sins".
This may give better meaning to that OT passage in Jeremiah 14 as the land was heaped in Sins. Pretty interesting.

2 Timothy 3:6 For out of these are ones slipping/endunonteV <1744> into the homes and leading into captivity little-women, having been heaped/seswreu-mena <4987> (5772) to Sins being led to various lusts

Jeremiah 14:4 Because the ground, she is heaped/cracked/chathah , that not became downpour/rain in land. They are ashamed, farmers, they hood their head......
 
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