My question was and will remain, HOW is it that we are to RID ourselves of every sin and burden? HOW is it that we are to DEPART from iniquity? And this in the LIGHT of the disclosure that we CANNOT SAY we have NO SIN?
Squint its because SIN (in us) BUT SIN will NOT have DOMINION over us. We cannot say WE are without SIN (because its IN US) in THE FLESH theres no good thing IN THE FLESH. The presence of Sin (which ENTERED IN) is IN US. Its IN our FLESH (after a carnal truth). The division is between the flesh and the Spirit. We are translated from walking after the flesh (by the circumcision of Christ) to walking in the Spirit. We are not to OBEY IT we are to PUT IT OFF and its by the GRACE of God is THAT which teaches us TO DENY the lusts thereof.
Is it possible? I believe it is and I dont see the contradiction. I can't SAY I am without sin (FACT) but that doesnt mean SIN has to DOMINATE our lives because the ~all sufficient~ and EFFECTUAL grace of God should be teaching us TO DENY IT. Its POWER comes by THE LAW, it SPRINGS TO LIFE (in us) and SIN
ABOUNDS (not abates) and becomes utterly sinful. This wrought by the commandment.
WITHOUT THE LAW
SIN IS
DEAD.
Is it IN US? Absolutely, its TO
BE DEAD simply because
WE DIED
TO THE LAW. Two principals US in the flesh (after a spiritual truth) and the law (trying to be perfected) by that which makes NOTHING PERFECT but that which EMPOWERS SIN. The
MOTIONS OF IT (Sin) are BY THE LAW.
If through the Spirit we MORTIFY the deeds of the body (this body of death) we shall live. Its
CHRIST who comes
WITHOUT SIN, and He said, IF I by THE FINGER OF GOD
CAST OUT DEVILS (there ya go Squint
) the KINGDOM OF GOD of God (HIS POWER) has
COME UNTO YOU. He is the righteousness of God.
My question was and will remain, HOW is it that we are to RID ourselves of every sin and burden? HOW is it that we are to DEPART from iniquity? And this in the LIGHT of the disclosure that we CANNOT SAY we have NO SIN?
Again, its HIM Squint. The fear of the Lord is to HATE EVIL (thats one of the things it IS) That was what Paul battled (within himself) saying I do the EVIL I HATE, because of that (to hate it) HE was no longer doing it BUT SIN in Him. It was not DEAD under the law but empowered by it.
It was the Spirit of life in Christ that set him free from the law of SIN and death (that exists IN US) our FLESH.
Uh, not really. See prior question.
Yes really
In the context of my post where you adress the "
SAYING" part of having no sin as Job also speaks the very same of that same "
SAYING" (given HE is declared by God three times that he is perfect) James is consistent within that patern concerning
the perfect man offends not
IN WORD. This is consistent with God declaring Job did not sin with
HIS LIPS and spake what was right about God (not as His friends did).
Do you also know that only two in scripture have the power of death? The TONGUE and THE DEVIL are the two shown that do. Prov 18:21 and Heb 2:14
Good thing I warm up my own studying and approval before God not men.
I'm looking for your form of division and separation from SIN and INIQUITY and BURDENS in these matters.
I havent a clue to what your looking for Squint
Though AGAIN the TONGUE is called a WORLD of INIQUITY, INIQUITY of LIPS is shown, there a MYSTERY OF INQUITY and HE LETETH IT
Job 41:4
Canst thou ~draw out~ leviathan with an hook? or
his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
The mystery of Iniquity also IS LET
2Thes 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only
he who now letteth will let,
until he be taken out of the way.
The TONGUE is a WORLD of Iniquity
James 3:6 And
the tongue is a fire,
a world of iniquity
My approach comes would naturally come in at a different angle. I dont want to play pages worth of twister.
I have no issues whatsoever in saying that sin dwells in me, which same in cause or in action is OF THE DEVIL. See the DIVISION?
Neither do I, by NATURE children of wrath, interesting the law WORKETH WRATH.
I divide it between FLESH and SPIRIT they are two different things. The lusts of your father ye will do, I get that.
Most won't because of that same presence in our flesh that does not want to be exposed as a separate entity from Gods offspring, all mankind. The presence of evil is very much entwined into our hearts and minds making us think it's ONLY US. I doubt Peter was much aware that as he spoke it was not him, but SATAN.
When I said I did not understand your response, it was how it related to my response and a better explanation of what you were talking about was all that was needed Squint.
Well, it started about Peter and the keys to the kingdom from the Matt. 16 stretch.
Thanks, I hadnt been fully following to be honest with ya.
I dispute with no scripture quote. Reflections from "others" are what interest me.
Thats what I was giving, I didnt see a contradition in the "presence" of sin (not being able to say we are "without it") and Sin having its dominion in our lives. To me, it doesnt contradict anything in my eyes as its divided between the flesh (where its empowered) and the Spirit (where it has no dominion). So although we can be in "the flesh" (after a carnal truth) after a spiritual truth we are not if so be the Spirit of Christ be in us and we are led by the Spirit. I dont "blame" the flesh, it is what it is "flesh" and "Spirit is spirit".
I wasnt expecting to wrestle with ya, I made one observation, posting two verses and thats it.
I wrote,
It means dont do it, Sin will not have dominion over you because your not under the law (the power of sin) but grace, its not a license to sin. Its
the grace of God teaches us
TO DENY worldly and ungodly lusts. Whereas the law EMPOWERED IT.
Generally agreed, but good performances does not rid us of the presence of indwelling sin eh?
Who said it did Squint? If we SAY we are without sin we deceive ourselves remember?
Nope. Grace is entirely sufficient for all mankind apart from works.
Kool, just making sure.
So the above question remains...
The question remains for you Squint, tell ya what, I'll let you work out what you believe remains because its not a question that remains for me. I can fully accept both without it presenting a problem (in my thinking).
I believe acknowledgement of the facts is a crucial component to being honest, which God is certainly not against. But of course there is a very fine line and a clean cut, as God in Christ did not and does not count sins against mankind.
I certainly dont think otherwise.
Where then do we go for judgment in these matters? We certainly cannot ignore sin or sinful actions by saying so what, it's not counted can we?
You confess them and you forgive them. Who would be saying "so what"?
I wrote,
Job knew if his own lips declared what God did (of Him) it would ~prove him~ perverse. This appears very consistent with the apostles when it comes to saying "we are without sin" (self deceptive).
Blaming "self/Job" would appear to me to be just another way of counting sins against Job. I have a couple of quotes from Job that I may pull out later to show how Job "divided" himself in these matters with Gods Word assistance.
Who is blaming Job? God was angry with his three friends.
A gaffe is a blunder(er.)
Gotcha thanks
I never get peoples words here. It drives me nuts especially that "debate speak" (if you know what I mean)
If you love your fellow mankind, I will have little if any cause with you on the negative side of the ledger.
Well, if I didnt only the devil is responsible right?
I'd be off the hook?
You know I'm busting your chops dont cha?
Peace
Fireinfolding