What are implications of unconditional election?

[Hammster]

Who are His children? The elect or everyone?

Believers. Read John 1.

John 10 talks about His sheep.

 

[mcarans]

Believers. Read John 1.

John 10 talks about His sheep.

What are God's feelings towards the damned?

 

[Hammster]

What are God's feelings towards the damned?

“"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭ESV‬‬

 

[mcarans]

“"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Would it be fair to say that He doesn't love the damned?

 

[Hammster]

Would it be fair to say that He doesn't love the damned?

That statement doesn’t sound like love.

 

[mcarans]

That statement doesn’t sound like love.

Do you think God is omnibenevolent?

 

[Hammster]

Do you think God is omnibenevolent?

“"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭ESV‬‬

 

[mcarans]

“"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭ESV‬‬

I presume that you are quoting that to say no. Do you believe God is omnipotent and omniscient but not omnibenevolent?

 

[Hammster]

I presume that you are quoting that to say no. Do you believe God is omnipotent and omniscient but not omnibenevolent?

Do you have a point yet?

 

[mcarans]

Do you have a point yet?

Other Calvinists I've come across try to claim God is all loving, but since you don't, I think you are consistent in your views regardless of whether I agree with them or not. How does what you believe impact how you live?

 

[Hammster]

Other Calvinists I've come across try to claim God is all loving, but since you don't, I think you are consistent in your views regardless of whether I agree with them or not. How does what you believe impact how you live?

Well, I try (emphasis on try) to live humbly in as much as I realize that I’m a great sinner that is fully deserving of His wrath. It truly is unconditional love in that I’ve done nothing to earn it or keep it.

Honestly, I really am like a child. I see how my five kids act and if I’m honest, there’s not much difference. But as much as I’m a good dad, He’s an infinitely better Father.

 

[mcarans]

Well, I try (emphasis on try) to live humbly in as much as I realize that I’m a great sinner that is fully deserving of His wrath. It truly is unconditional love in that I’ve done nothing to earn it or keep it.

Honestly, I really am like a child. I see how my five kids act and if I’m honest, there’s not much difference. But as much as I’m a good dad, He’s an infinitely better Father.

This might be a bit sensitive and you are welcome to ignore, but how do you feel knowing that members of your immediate family might not be in the elect?

 

[Hammster]

This might be a bit sensitive and you are welcome to ignore, but how do you feel knowing that members of your immediate family might not be in the elect?

Probably no different than you. Obviously you know that there are members of your family that will never be saved.

 

[mcarans]

Probably no different than you. Obviously you know that there are members of your family that will never be saved.

I understand heaven and hell according to the Eastern Orthodox view and am a hopeful universalist, so although I am very sad that some people don't come to know God's love in this life, I am hopeful that eventually they will.

 

[Albion]

Did the all powerful God of Calvinism plan that humanity would be fallen?

I'm sure you know that this is all laid out for us in Genesis.

 

[mcarans]

I'm sure you know that this is all laid out for us in Genesis.

It's not clear to me if you think God planned the fall or was it an act of free will by Adam and Eve. Or put another way, could Adam and Eve have chosen other than what they chose?

 

[Albion]

They could have chosen otherwise, but before concluding that this rebuts predestination consider that the essence of predestination or election is the choosing of an individual to saving Faith, which was not an issue prior to the Fall.

 

[mcarans]

They could have chosen otherwise, but before concluding that this rebuts predestination consider that the essence of predestination or election is the choosing of an individual to saving Faith, which was not an issue prior to the Fall.

Are Adam and Eve saved?

 

[Butch5]

They could have chosen otherwise, but before concluding that this rebuts predestination consider that the essence of predestination or election is the choosing of an individual to saving Faith, which was not an issue prior to the Fall.

How then did it take place before the foundation of the world?

 

[Albion]

Why not?