What are implications of unconditional election?

[Butch5]

Why not?

Is this reply to me?

 

[Albion]

Is this reply to me?

Yes. Sorry.

 

[Butch5]

Yes. Sorry.

I don't understand your question. What I was presenting was that if the Reformed idea of predestination wasn't an issue before the fall, how could it have taken place prior to the foundation of the world?

 

[Albion]

Couldn't God have foreseen the Fall? He must have, really. Therefore, he could have predestined whomever he chose from before Adam.

 

[gordonhooker]

Believers. Read John 1.

John 10 talks about His sheep.

LOL, out come all of the same old arguments from both sides of Calvinism v. the Rest.... In my opinion the God portrayed in Calvinism is a very small God and is not a very loving God at all.

 

[gordonhooker]

Couldn't God have foreseen the Fall? He must have, really. Therefore, he could have predestined whomever he chose from before Adam.

You mean like set poor old Adam and Eve for failure?

 

[Janice Orbi]

Predestination is not about how God treats anybody. Some are destined to salvation; others are not. The ones who are not aren't sent somewhere in the afterlife that they don't otherwise deserve. It is on that point where most critics of predestination stumble.

Hi I am a little confused but I am sincerely in trying to understand. So let me try to explain what I thought it means I am by no means saying I am right. I thought that presdentination is because God is all knowing and he already knew before we were born if we would receive him or reject him, that is not that God is choosing to save some and not others it is because he foreknew. Is this correct?

 

[Hammster]

LOL, out come all of the same old arguments from both sides of Calvinism v. the Rest.... In my opinion the God portrayed in Calvinism is a very small God and is not a very loving God at all.

Thanks for that...whatever that was.

 

[gordonhooker]

Thanks for that...whatever that was.

No worries I am glad I could help.

 

[Hammster]

No worries I am glad I could help.

I never said it was a help.

 

[gordonhooker]

I never said it was a help.

My sarcasm is just as relevant as yours.

 

[Hammster]

My sarcasm is just as relevant as yours.

But your view isn’t.

 

[gordonhooker]

But your view isn’t.

Rude and childish good one ☝️

 

[Albion]

Hi I am a little confused but I am sincerely in trying to understand. So let me try to explain what I thought it means I am by no means saying I am right. I thought that presdentination is because God is all knowing and he already knew before we were born if we would receive him or reject him, that is not that God is choosing to save some and not others it is because he foreknew. Is this correct?

That is what a lot of people say when trying to think through the idea of predestination. However, that is not predestination. It would be simple foreknowledge which just about everyone agrees is part of God's nature. Predestination, whether you or I accept it as true or not, means that He determined it in advance, not just that he knew in advance that it would happen. What you described would be free will, the opposite of predestination.

 

[Hammster]

Rude and childish good one ☝️

Not rude, just right.

 

[Janice Orbi]

That is what a lot of people say when trying to think through the idea of predestination. However, that is not predestination. It would be simple foreknowledge which just about everyone agrees is part of God's nature. Predestination, whether you or I accept it as true or not, means that He determined it in advance, not just that he knew in advance that it would happen. What you described would be free will, the opposite of predestination.

Thank you