What ARE GHOSTS?

[Linet Kihonge]

There have been lots of back and forth on Spirits, glorified bodies, the asleep (sleepers), the NDE (the most heinous comment was NDE effects were hallucinations) and therefore, I want to know what the hell are GHOSTS. If people die and their spirits remain in the Spiritual realms and if in deed it is true that it's ONLY Spirits can See Each other. Then what types of Spirits are Ghosts because they are neither glorified bodies nor are they (genuinely) people's souls.


So let's call a Spade a Spade!

 

[Wgw]

There have been lots of back and forth on Spirits, glorified bodies, the asleep (sleepers), the NDE (the most heinous comment was NDE effects were hallucinations) and therefore, I want to know what the hell are GHOSTS. If people die and their spirits remain in the Spiritual realms and if in deed it is true that it's ONLY Spirits can See Each other. Then what types of Spirits are Ghosts because they are neither glorified bodies nor are they (genuinely) people's souls.


So let's call a Spade a Spade!

The Orthodox teaching on the subject is that alleged ghosts of deceased humans are actually demons.

 

[timewerx]

There have been lots of back and forth on Spirits, glorified bodies, the asleep (sleepers), the NDE (the most heinous comment was NDE effects were hallucinations) and therefore, I want to know what the hell are GHOSTS. If people die and their spirits remain in the Spiritual realms and if in deed it is true that it's ONLY Spirits can See Each other. Then what types of Spirits are Ghosts because they are neither glorified bodies nor are they (genuinely) people's souls.


So let's call a Spade a Spade!

Ghosts are farm animals and actually spelled "goats"


Kidding aside, some ghosts are projections of consciousness of a living person.

Most people associate them with dead people but the projections have been made while the person is still alive but close to death and they may project in a different time, i.e. future or past.

The purpose of this phenomenon is the brain's last ditch attempt to transfer consciousness to another person by simply remembering them. It's the brain's final survival mechanism (like taking a bow, goodbye world, and remember me pls..) and makes you think how incredibly powerful our brains are and appreciate how God created them.

Ghosts are not necessarily aware of their environment and maybe out of sync with time. You may see a ghost but a ghost does not necessarily see you, nor even aware of your presence. They maybe seeing 1954 while you are in the year 2016.

It's simply that way since time loses meaning in the spiritual/quantum realm.

Of course, not all ghosts are like that, innocent and existing in another time.... Some would be fully aware of your presence and maybe malevolent (demonic).

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Ghosts are farm animals and actually spelled "goats"


Kidding aside, some ghosts are projections of consciousness of a living person.

Most people associate them with dead people but the projections have been made while the person is still alive but close to death and they may project in a different time, i.e. future or past.

The purpose of this phenomenon is the brain's last ditch attempt to transfer consciousness to another person by simply remembering them. It's the brain's final survival mechanism (like taking a bow, goodbye world, and remember me pls..) and makes you think how incredibly powerful our brains are and appreciate how God created them.

Ghosts are not necessarily aware of their environment and maybe out of sync with time. You may see a ghost but a ghost does not necessarily see you, nor even aware of your presence. They maybe seeing 1954 while you are in the year 2016.

It's simply that way since time loses meaning in the spiritual/quantum realm.

Of course, not all ghosts are like that, innocent and existing in another time.... Some would be fully aware of your presence and maybe malevolent (demonic).

Thanks, for the goats and ghost clarification

Anyway, are you referring to different dimensions of space and time because I'm having a difficult time placing them anywhere in the Scriptures. Otherwise, they may get a blanket term of a "demonic" something. For me, they shouldn't be here either way! :/

 

[Bob Crowley]

To save time and effort, I quoted the story below (I've edited it to save space and keep it relevant to the topic of "Ghosts") in another post, so I've just quoted it with modifications.

... I'm going to give a strange personal example, which I've related on Catholic Answers Forums, which like this one, is based in the USA (I presume). That has a bearing on my story.

The pastor I had in my Presbyterian days, one Rev. Robert Missenden, was a wise old bird. He was also prophetic, if discouraging. I found that if he thought something would happen, it happened.

But there was one prediction he made that was right over the top.

We were talking in his office probably circa 1990 or 1991, as he died in January 1992. I knew him for about 9 years all up, but I'm pretty sure this prediction was late in the day.

The prediction was "I think you'll be doing a cleaning job for a short time. You won't like it much, and you won't do it for long, but I think the Lord will just want you to hear about a ghost." Then he added "I think you've seen this ghost before".

Now I knew by that time how accurate he was, but I thought it was silly, so I basically ignored it.

Incidentally he also predicted I'd lose the job I then had (which is relevant, as I would never have been doing cleaning if I hadn't). That happened in 1995. He also predicted he thought I'd become Catholic (which is also relevant or I would never have even thought of having a mass said for the "ghost". That happened circa 1996 or 1997.

So that was two more of his predictions which came true, even though he'd been dead for a few years.

But in early 2006 I was doing a cleaning job for a short time (about four months). I didn't like it much for various reasons, and I heard about a ghost!

I was being shown around an old store in Ipswich (west of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia) on my first night there (Friday night every week as it happened), then occupied by a company called Crazy Clarks (a discount store). The cleaning contract was mainly with Crazy Clarks and another company called Repco.

As he was showing me round, the young bloke showing me the job suddenly remarked, "This place is haunted!" I did a bit of a double take and said "What?" He went on to say that he thought a former manager had committed suicide upstairs in the 1890's. I later spoke to the staff there and they thought it was downstairs in the 1960's. They were probably correct.

Anyway the young bloke was scared of being there at night. He said one night, ALL the stock on one complete set of shelves just jumped up and landed on the floor. At other times he could push this very heavy buffer with one little finger (and it was heavy all right - one of my dislikes about the job was trying to get this thing back in the van after the job. You could easily have done your back in if you weren't careful). Something was pushing it with him....

He might have been scared, but I sort of got positive vibes when I was there, as though the suicidal "ghost" wanted me to do something. One night when I was there, and the shop had been locked for some time, a bloke walked out from the last row of shelves, smiled at me, and walked back again. I didn't see him again, and he wasn't one of the remaining couple of managers, nor was he a customer.

Well it took me some time to do anything. That was 20006. Around 2008 I finally got around to phoning the resident priest at Ipswich (I live 40kms away), and told him about it. He said "leave it to me." But I had this uneasy feeling he hadn't done anything, as I was just a voice on the phone with a strange story to tell. And this feeling nagged me. The Catholic Church in question was St. Mary's, Ipswich.

This is where Catholic Answers Forums comes in. One day in 2010 I was on Catholic Answers Forums, when I happened to notice a Fr. Michael Grac(e) as a recent poster, with Australia mentioned as his location. Note that he was the only Australian priest I'd seen on the forum at that point.
Out of the 1300 or so parishes in Australia at that time, guess which parish he was located in? St. Mary's, Ipswich! Pure coincidence of course! He only graduated from seminary in 2009, and was associate priest in 2010.

I even checked the church's website, and sure enough, there was his name on the billboard.

So via a personal email system through the Catholic Forum, I contacted him and told him the story from 2006. He emailed me back saying he really would say a mass for the suicidal manager, and to leave it at that. This time I felt more reassured, and basically just left it alone.

However fairly early last year (2015) I happened to be at one of the three churches in our parish, in a small town called Jimboomba. While I was there I got this nagging sense to purchase a copy of the Catholic Leader, our local Catholic rag. And there on page 5 or 6 was Fr. Michael Grace again, but this time he was shown at a wine and cheese evening in support of a right to life movement, at the Catholic Church in Wilston, Brisbane.

This raised my eyebrows, as when the old Presbyterian pastor made the original prediction, he did so at Wilston Presbyterian Church, a few hundred meters from the Catholic Church where Fr. Grace was now domiciled.

So I sent him another email via his church website, pointing out his close proximity to the church where the pastor had made the original prediction.

A couple of days later I got an email back saying "Just to raise the spookiness level another notch, Jimboomba was my home parish before I went into seminary!".

So this prediction followed me from losing my job in 1995, becoming Catholic in 1996 or 97, a cleaning job in 2006 where I heard about a ghost, to an Australian priest on an American based forum, to the same Church in proximity to the "ghost", to another Catholic Church close to where the pastor made the original prediction, with a link back to the church where I picked up the Leader.

Then there was the bit about "seeing this ghost before".

When I was about 15 circa 1970 (Geez, I'm getting old), my father and I would sometimes go camping at a locality called Legume, just over the border in New South Wales. To get there we'd go via Ipswich, Warwick and Killarney. These days there's a bypass to Warwich, but back then it didn't exist, and we had to go through Ipswich. There is another possible route, but it takes a lot longer.

I remember one trip when we were on our way home. As we were driving down the main road in Ipswich (Brisbane Street), I saw this bloke standing on the footpath with a briefcase in his hand. He looked really resigned and frustrated. There was hardly anybody else around as it was probably a Sunday or public holiday. I looked at him and he looked at me. As we passed him I looked back for some unknown reason. He sort of shrugged, turned, and then walked through a shop door. Trouble was the door was shut at the time.

It gave me the heebie geebies and I wondered if I was seeing things. I did my best to forget it, but then there was the episode with the old pastor.

Now I'd never told the pastor about this event, but somehow he just "knew". And the only way he could see the future "ghost" even was if God was telling him. The devil can't see the future - he can put two and two together better than we can, but he can't see the future like God can. God won't let him. A well known Catholic exorcist gave me that information.

So ... God told the old pastor about the ghost. It took about 15 years before the event started to happen. I made a lot of decisions in that time, but I still found myself doing a cleaning job for a short time, didn't like it much, and hearing about a ghost. The priest was moved from Ipswich to the Cathedral and later to Wilston by indepenent authority (the Archbishop), but he found himself in close proximity to the church where the prediction was originally made.

Coincidence? Like hell!

God sees the future like a map. We make our decisions within that map, but He doesn't force us to make them.

My conclusion - In my opinion, as a Catholic convert, that particular "ghost" was a suicidal manager who was doing part or all of his purgatory by being confined to the store. I believe in Purgatory, otherwise you've got the absurdity of a serial killer who makes a last minute death bed confession just walking into heaven, not having made one ounce of effort to clean up his act all his life. If that's the case, why bother pursuing holiness?

Christ implied "Ghosts" exist on a couple of occasions - there was the time he was walking across Lake Galilee and the disciples in the boat thought they were seeing a ghost. And He had to reassure Thomas He was not a "ghost" when he appeared in the room after his resurrection, but was flesh and blood.

But neither did He imply that they were demonic.

I'm not going to go on record as saying all ghosts are suffering some kind of purgatory, as I just don't know. But I know they exist, due to the experience related above. They may be - the USS Arizona sunk at Pearl Harbour is supposed to be riddled with ghosts. Imagine the scene - a bunch of sailors, most of them probably not particularly religious, and who may well have been inhabiting the flesh pots and taverns the night before, are caught by a surprise attack which virtually gives them no time to repent or undertake any sort of preparatory spiritual undertaking before being killed.

What would happen to them? Does God just write them off? Or is He prepared to be merciful, and possibly grant them a half way station if they can find some way to be released?

I wonder what would happen if the US Navy sent some Catholic priests down to hear the "ghosts" confessions? Ridiculous? Maybe not.

For years, people who have visited this memorial and park service employees have witnessed some strange activity.
Many photographs that have been taken around the memorial have captured strange foggy spots and misty human figures seem to appear in the background of these photographs.

One specific ghost that appears is said to be the officer who was posted on the Arizona’s deck the morning of December 7, 1941. Distracted by something personal he left his station briefly. It was during this time the Japanese planes attacked. This officer was killed. Some speculate he is seen because he is driven by guilt to walk the deck and then look out near the flagpole. He is seen mostly at night, low tide and in the dim light of dawn.

Note also the pastor's rider to his prediction - "I think the Lord will just want you to hear about a ghost!"

If so, then God had a reason for it.

On the business of Purgatory, nothing gets into heaven unless its perfect. Remember the parable of the man who was found at the wedding feast not dressed for the occasion with his grubby street clothes still on? He was tossed out on his ear.

 

[Wgw]

To save time and effort, I quoted the story below (I've edited it to save space and keep it relevant to the topic of "Ghosts") in another post, so I've just quoted it with modifications.



My conclusion - In my opinion, as a Catholic convert, that particular "ghost" was a suicidal manager who was doing part or all of his purgatory by being confined to the store. I believe in Purgatory, otherwise you've got the absurdity of a serial killer who makes a last minute death bed confession just walking into heaven, not having made one ounce of effort to clean up his act all his life. If that's the case, why bother pursuing holiness?

Christ implied "Ghosts" exist on a couple of occasions - there was the time he was walking across Lake Galilee and the disciples in the boat thought they were seeing a ghost. And He had to reassure Thomas He was not a "ghost" when he appeared in the room after his resurrection, but was flesh and blood.

But neither did He imply that they were demonic.

I'm not going to go on record as saying all ghosts are suffering some kind of purgatory, as I just don't know. But I know they exist, due to the experience related above. They may be - the USS Arizona sunk at Pearl Harbour is supposed to be riddled with ghosts. Imagine the scene - a bunch of sailors, most of them probably not particularly religious, and who may well have been inhabiting the flesh pots and taverns the night before, are caught by a surprise attack which virtually gives them no time to repent or undertake any sort of preparatory spiritual undertaking before being killed.

What would happen to them? Does God just write them off? Or is He prepared to be merciful, and possibly grant them a half way station if they can find some way to be released?

I wonder what would happen if the US Navy sent some Catholic priests down to hear the "ghosts" confessions? Ridiculous? Maybe not.



Note also the pastor's rider to his prediction - "I think the Lord will just want you to hear about a ghost!"

If so, then God had a reason for it.

On the business of Purgatory, nothing gets into heaven unless its perfect. Remember the parable of the man who was found at the wedding feast not dressed for the occasion with his grubby street clothes still on? He was tossed out on his ear.

I have to say this is the first time I have seen the idea that ghosts are souls in purgatory. I disagree, however; the Patristic heritage common to the Orthodox and Catholics, which can apply either to RC soteriology (with Purgatory), or Orthodox soteriology (without) suggests that any "ghost" is a demon.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

To save time and effort, I quoted the story below (I've edited it to save space and keep it relevant to the topic of "Ghosts") in another post, so I've just quoted it with modifications.



My conclusion - In my opinion, as a Catholic convert, that particular "ghost" was a suicidal manager who was doing part or all of his purgatory by being confined to the store. I believe in Purgatory, otherwise you've got the absurdity of a serial killer who makes a last minute death bed confession just walking into heaven, not having made one ounce of effort to clean up his act all his life. If that's the case, why bother pursuing holiness?

Christ implied "Ghosts" exist on a couple of occasions - there was the time he was walking across Lake Galilee and the disciples in the boat thought they were seeing a ghost. And He had to reassure Thomas He was not a "ghost" when he appeared in the room after his resurrection, but was flesh and blood.

But neither did He imply that they were demonic.

I'm not going to go on record as saying all ghosts are suffering some kind of purgatory, as I just don't know. But I know they exist, due to the experience related above. They may be - the USS Arizona sunk at Pearl Harbour is supposed to be riddled with ghosts. Imagine the scene - a bunch of sailors, most of them probably not particularly religious, and who may well have been inhabiting the flesh pots and taverns the night before, are caught by a surprise attack which virtually gives them no time to repent or undertake any sort of preparatory spiritual undertaking before being killed.

What would happen to them? Does God just write them off? Or is He prepared to be merciful, and possibly grant them a half way station if they can find some way to be released?

I wonder what would happen if the US Navy sent some Catholic priests down to hear the "ghosts" confessions? Ridiculous? Maybe not.



Note also the pastor's rider to his prediction - "I think the Lord will just want you to hear about a ghost!"

If so, then God had a reason for it.

On the business of Purgatory, nothing gets into heaven unless its perfect. Remember the parable of the man who was found at the wedding feast not dressed for the occasion with his grubby street clothes still on? He was tossed out on his ear.

Well, Jesus, Angels and the LORD himself appeared to men in both physical and spiritual forms because they are immortals and they will appear to anyone in anyway they just darn feel like. The only controversy might be in the transfiguration but even in that it was an agreement (supposedly) between Jesus and His Heavenly Father to hold a discussion with Moses and Elijah in their glorified bodies.


Tell me who else appeared to who in the bible besides Jesus, Angels and the LORD minus the transfiguration scripture.

 

[Bob Crowley]

Well, Jesus, Angels and the LORD himself appeared to men in both physical and spiritual forms because they are immortals and they will appear to anyone in anyway they just darn feel like. The only controversy might be in the transfiguration but even in that it was an agreement (supposedly) between Jesus and His Heavenly Father to hold a discussion with Moses and Elijah in their glorified bodies.


Tell me who else appeared to who in the bible besides Jesus, Angels and the LORD minus the transfiguration scripture.

Sorry, but I don't quite understand what this has to do with "ghosts". Nobody, including myself, is denying the possibility of God or angels appearing to human beings if they so desire (eg. to Abraham, Moses, Mary, the three disciples, etc) but we're talking about "ghosts", not God or angels.

 

[Bob Crowley]

Sorry, but I don't quite understand what this has to do with "ghosts". Nobody, including myself, is denying the possibility of God or angels appearing to human beings if they so desire (eg. to Abraham, Moses, Mary, the three disciples, etc) but we're talking about "ghosts", not God or angels.

This got me thinking a bit - what is the difference between what might be called first world supernatural citizens ie. God and angels, and third world supernatural citizens ie. "ghosts", so I thought I'd have a bit of a stab at it.

First of all, when God and / or angels appear, they're very much in control. The three "men" who appeared to Abraham at the tree of Mamre were masters of the situation, and they had power - they were going to destroy a couple of cities.

They give a message, always - when Christ was transfigured before the three disciples, they got a message, loud and clear.

When Christ appeared in the room after His resurrection, He was in control, rebuking Thomas and proving beyond doubt that He had risen.

They also inspire awe, rather than the tepid hair raising antics of ghosts. Often their first words are "Do not be afraid" as though they know the normal human reaction will be fear.

But when we hear about "ghosts", they're hardly in control. They seem to be restricted to a certain venue eg. the USS Arizona. The officer who momentarily deserted his post doesn't seem to have been noticed taking skiing holidays in Aspen, Colorado. He's stuck in a metal tomb. They're restricted in some form.

They may or may not give a message, but if so it will be indirect. I lifted this story from http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/whats-your-best-108202.html. They've got heaps of ghost stories if you're interested, although I am sure some of the phenomena are demonic rather than "ghostly" eg. dark shadows hovering above a dying patient who is also terrified.

I work in a ltc facility and we have had numerous reports from pts that they have seen a little boy. This boy comes in their rooms, turns their call lights on and off, throw things on the floor. This facility used to be an orphanage!! Also there are stories of a oldfashioned nurse in the whole white dress and hat, would be seen going down the hall late at night doing her bed check and would go into someones room and stay there for a couple minutes if they were really sick or about to die. Well I guess one aide seen her awhile back and refused to go down that hall for a week, the persons room she went in just came back from the hospital still really sick.:uhoh21:

They don't inspire awe. They may inspire some sort of fear. The young bloke who was showing me the cleaning run where I first heard about the "ghost" told me he was scared of being there after dark. But it wasn't awe. In fact the staff who worked there at the time just seemed to accept the presence of the ghost as part of the furniture.

Exactly what they are remains to be seen. But I think some of them at least are confined to that state as a form of Purgatory.

And just maybe a "ghost" photograph from the USS Arizona, snapped by an Australian woman in 2011, when she and her family were visiting the memorial.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/10/the-ghost-face-of-the-uss-arizona/

 

[Linet Kihonge]

This got me thinking a bit - what is the difference between what might be called first world supernatural citizens ie. God and angels, and third world supernatural citizens ie. "ghosts", so I thought I'd have a bit of a stab at it.

First of all, when God and / or angels appear, they're very much in control. The three "men" who appeared to Abraham at the tree of Mamre were masters of the situation, and they had power - they were going to destroy a couple of cities.

They give a message, always - when Christ was transfigured before the three disciples, they got a message, loud and clear.

When Christ appeared in the room after His resurrection, He was in control, rebuking Thomas and proving beyond doubt that He had risen.

They also inspire awe, rather than the tepid hair raising antics of ghosts. Often their first words are "Do not be afraid" as though they know the normal human reaction will be fear.

But when we hear about "ghosts", they're hardly in control. They seem to be restricted to a certain venue eg. the USS Arizona. The officer who momentarily deserted his post doesn't seem to have been noticed taking skiing holidays in Aspen, Colorado. He's stuck in a metal tomb. They're restricted in some form.

They may or may not give a message, but if so it will be indirect. I lifted this story from http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/whats-your-best-108202.html. They've got heaps of ghost stories if you're interested, although I am sure some of the phenomena are demonic rather than "ghostly" eg. dark shadows hovering above a dying patient who is also terrified.



They don't inspire awe. They may inspire some sort of fear. The young bloke who was showing me the cleaning run where I first heard about the "ghost" told me he was scared of being there after dark. But it wasn't awe. In fact the staff who worked there at the time just seemed to accept the presence of the ghost as part of the furniture.

Exactly what they are remains to be seen. But I think some of them at least are confined to that state as a form of Purgatory.

And just maybe a "ghost" photograph from the USS Arizona, snapped by an Australian woman in 2011, when she and her family were visiting the memorial.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/10/the-ghost-face-of-the-uss-arizona/

You believe they are souls stuck in a certain dimension of the spiritual realms. Well, there's still no place in the bible that confirms their existence.

Anyway, this shall forever my BIG GAME!

In case of such mysterious encounter, I will shout, "Flee ye spirit in the blood of the Lamb of God, YESHUA HA-MASHIACH" if it says, "Sweetheart, calm down, I'm angel yyyy" I will put my gun mode OFF.

If it flees like somebody sat on hot coal! I will shout to myself, "GOTCHA!"

It is written, John 4:1- 2, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God."

IF THEY FAIL THE EXAM, Ghost, You're not from GOD!!!

 

[Bob Crowley]

You believe they are souls stuck in a certain dimension of the spiritual realms. Well, there's still no place in the bible that confirms their existence.

It depends which translation you use. A "Ghost" is basically a spirit of the dead. It is not an angel or demon, which is what the business is all about when it comes to discerning spirits.

Isaiah 14:9 Good News Bible

9“The world of the dead is getting ready to welcome the king of Babylonia. The ghosts of those who were powerful on earth are stirring about. The ghosts of kings are rising from their thrones.

Isaiah 26:14 Good News Translation (GNT)

14 Now they are dead and will not live again;
their ghosts will not rise,
for you have punished them and destroyed them.
No one remembers them any more.

Matthew 14:20-26 GNB
Matthew 15

20Everyone ate and had enough. Then the disciples took up twelve baskets full of what was left over. 21The number of men who ate was about 5,000, not counting the women and children.22Then Jesus made the disciples get into the boat and go on ahead to the other side of the lake, while he sent the people away. 23After sending the people away, he went up a hill by himself to pray. When evening came, Jesus was there alone; 24and by this time the boat was far out in the lake, tossed about by the waves, because the wind was blowing against it.25Between three and six o'clock in the morning Jesus came to the disciples, walking on the water. 26When they saw him walking on the water, they were terrified. “It's a ghost!” they said, and screamed with fear.

Mark 6:49Good News Translation (GNT)

49 but they saw him walking on the water. “It's a ghost!” they thought, and screamed.

Luke 24:37-39New International Version (NIV)

37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38 He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

In this quote alone, Christ implied that ghosts exist, as a counter-point to His own real flesh and blood existence.

They exist. What are you so worried about?

 

[dysert]

I don't think ghosts exist. Now this may be a matter of semantics because there are a lot of beings in the spiritual realm. There are angels, fallen and holy, and there are our spirits, heaven-bound and hell-bound, but ghosts to me is another (non-existent) being. Angels were created by God, and our spirits were created by God. All of these things have an origin and a destination, and they will all live forever. I'm not sure what attributes a ghost would have that angels & spirits don't have, but it just seems that ghosts are an invention (they're not mentioned in the Bible) whereas angels and spirits are real.

 

[timewerx]

Thanks, for the goats and ghost clarification

Anyway, are you referring to different dimensions of space and time because I'm having a difficult time placing them anywhere in the Scriptures. Otherwise, they may get a blanket term of a "demonic" something. For me, they shouldn't be here either way! :/

No problem!

The different times and dimensions exist....otherwise, prophets will not be having visions of the future.

Someone in the Bible once conjured up the spirit of prophet Samuel, it worked and the Bible did not say the medium was a fake, so we can assume it was genuine.

And as I've said before, the ghost or the projection of the consciousness is made by a person while he or she is living. My pet dog, two weeks before she died, her ghost visited me. It was just a harmless visit and I knew immediately it was my dog even if she appeared to me as a little human girl. Two weeks later, I heard the news, I was thousands of miles away, no way I would have known about her disease or her condition.

Prophets are a special breed of people. Ever wonder why they often live in seclusion? First of all, there's nothing normal about their life. These people are mad by our society standards.

The gift of prophecy is not because regularly, God would send you a revelation. It is an ability. It makes you more sensitive to God and to projections from people and from different time and space. That means you'll see "ghosts" much more often than other people could.

A lot of Christians are clueless about the concept because the fact, that only very few gets to have the gift of prophecy so they've never seen ghosts and have no idea what is in the "other side". In many cases, the "other side" is simply just another time.

I'm not saying everything will be good, seeing that some people are very evil, it would certainly be unpleasant to meet their projections somewhere in time..... Perhaps why Jesus implied that we should guard our thoughts as it might as well cause real damage even if nobody knows but ourselves.

So no, still not a good idea to try to see ghosts. That would be a crazy idea.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Hey champ! I too have a gift of prophecy and I love its existence. So far, from someone I love, in the NDE my loved one met with some of the deceased but in the spiritual realms. So I know there are dead souls hovering somewhere in the spiritual realms. I also know that it's possible to see the deceased but in the verge of death perhaps the fight between the body giving up a person's soul and fighting to remain alive.

Therefore, I would never contest the existence of dead souls I think there are somewhere in the outer spaces. The only issue I'm having is the circumstances in which they exist on earth.

1. They don't draw pleasant experiences instead they spook!
2. Even if the scripture does understand their existence the same LORD who forbade the Israelites from medium/sorcery practices must have had his own reasons why he hated the idea of dead spirits being called up.
3. If the dead spirits are just some spirits hovering somewhere in the realms until their resurrection then what would they doing on earth??? According to Revelations 20:4-5, "Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection."

I just need to know what spirits they are because dead souls are somewhere else NOT EARTH!!!!

 

[Linet Kihonge]

I don't think ghosts exist. Now this may be a matter of semantics because there are a lot of beings in the spiritual realm. There are angels, fallen and holy, and there are our spirits, heaven-bound and hell-bound, but ghosts to me is another (non-existent) being. Angels were created by God, and our spirits were created by God. All of these things have an origin and a destination, and they will all live forever. I'm not sure what attributes a ghost would have that angels & spirits don't have, but it just seems that ghosts are an invention (they're not mentioned in the Bible) whereas angels and spirits are real.

My POINT, EXACTLY!!!

 

[timewerx]

1. They don't draw pleasant experiences instead they spook!

It is only natural to be scared of things we are quite unfamiliar with and it also applies to other things, not just ghosts.

Even if the scripture does understand their existence

The spirits of evil people can also be referred to as evil spirits.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

The answer to this question depends on what precisely is meant by the term “ghosts.” If the term means “spirit beings,” the answer is a qualified “yes.” If the term means “spirits of people who have died,” the answer is “no.” The Bible makes it abundantly clear that there are spirit beings, both good and evil. But the Bible negates the idea that the spirits of deceased human beings can remain on earth and “haunt” the living.

Hebrews 9:27 declares, “Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.” That is what happens to a person’s soul-spirit after death—judgment. The result of this judgment is heaven for the believer (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23) and hell for the unbeliever (Matthew 25:46; Luke 16:22-24). There is no in-between. There is no possibility of remaining on earth in spirit form as a “ghost.” If there are such things as ghosts, according to the Bible, they absolutely cannot be the disembodied spirits of deceased human beings.

The Bible teaches very clearly that there are indeed spirit beings who can connect with and appear in our physical world. The Bible identifies these beings as angels and demons. Angels are spirit beings who are faithful in serving God. Angels are righteous, good, and holy. Demons are fallen angels, angels who rebelled against God. Demons are evil, deceptive, and destructive. According to 2 Corinthians 11:14-15, demons masquerade as “angels of light” and as “servants of righteousness.” Appearing as a “ghost” and impersonating a deceased human being definitely seem to be within the power and abilities that demons possess.

The closest biblical example of a “haunting” is found in Mark 5:1-20. A legion of demons possessed a man and used the man to haunt a graveyard. There were no ghosts involved. It was a case of a normal person being controlled by demons to terrorize the people of that area. Demons only seek to “kill, steal, and destroy” (John 10:10). They will do anything within their power to deceive people, to lead people away from God. This is very likely the explanation of “ghostly” activity today. Whether it is called a ghost, a ghoul, or a poltergeist, if there is genuine evil spiritual activity occurring, it is the work of demons.

What about instances in which “ghosts” act in “positive” ways? What about psychics who claim to summon the deceased and gain true and useful information from them? Again, it is crucial to remember that the goal of demons is to deceive. If the result is that people trust in a psychic instead of God, a demon will be more than willing to reveal true information. Even good and true information, if from a source with evil motives, can be used to mislead, corrupt, and destroy.

Interest in the paranormal is becoming increasingly common. There are individuals and businesses that claim to be “ghost-hunters,” who for a price will rid your home of ghosts. Psychics, séances, tarot cards, and mediums are increasingly considered normal. Human beings are innately aware of the spiritual world. Sadly, instead of seeking the truth about the spirit world by communing with God and studying His Word, many people allow themselves to be led astray by the spirit world. The demons surely laugh at the spiritual mass-deception that exists in the world today.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

The answer to this question depends on what precisely is meant by the term “ghosts.” If the term means “spirit beings,” the answer is a qualified “yes.” If the term means “spirits of people who have died,” the answer is “no.” The Bible makes it abundantly clear that there are spirit beings, both good and evil. But the Bible negates the idea that the spirits of deceased human beings can remain on earth and “haunt” the living.

Hebrews 9:27 declares, “Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.” That is what happens to a person’s soul-spirit after death—judgment. The result of this judgment is heaven for the believer (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23) and hell for the unbeliever (Matthew 25:46; Luke 16:22-24). There is no in-between. There is no possibility of remaining on earth in spirit form as a “ghost.” If there are such things as ghosts, according to the Bible, they absolutely cannot be the disembodied spirits of deceased human beings.

The Bible teaches very clearly that there are indeed spirit beings who can connect with and appear in our physical world. The Bible identifies these beings as angels and demons. Angels are spirit beings who are faithful in serving God. Angels are righteous, good, and holy. Demons are fallen angels, angels who rebelled against God. Demons are evil, deceptive, and destructive. According to 2 Corinthians 11:14-15, demons masquerade as “angels of light” and as “servants of righteousness.” Appearing as a “ghost” and impersonating a deceased human being definitely seem to be within the power and abilities that demons possess.

The closest biblical example of a “haunting” is found in Mark 5:1-20. A legion of demons possessed a man and used the man to haunt a graveyard. There were no ghosts involved. It was a case of a normal person being controlled by demons to terrorize the people of that area. Demons only seek to “kill, steal, and destroy” (John 10:10). They will do anything within their power to deceive people, to lead people away from God. This is very likely the explanation of “ghostly” activity today. Whether it is called a ghost, a ghoul, or a poltergeist, if there is genuine evil spiritual activity occurring, it is the work of demons.

What about instances in which “ghosts” act in “positive” ways? What about psychics who claim to summon the deceased and gain true and useful information from them? Again, it is crucial to remember that the goal of demons is to deceive. If the result is that people trust in a psychic instead of God, a demon will be more than willing to reveal true information. Even good and true information, if from a source with evil motives, can be used to mislead, corrupt, and destroy.

Interest in the paranormal is becoming increasingly common. There are individuals and businesses that claim to be “ghost-hunters,” who for a price will rid your home of ghosts. Psychics, séances, tarot cards, and mediums are increasingly considered normal. Human beings are innately aware of the spiritual world. Sadly, instead of seeking the truth about the spirit world by communing with God and studying His Word, many people allow themselves to be led astray by the spirit world. The demons surely laugh at the spiritual mass-deception that exists in the world today.

I Like That!!! (Y)

 

[Hieronymus]

Demons, they're fallen angels.
Avoid them.

 

[timewerx]

Isaiah 34:13
The desert creatures will meet with the wolves, The hairy goat also will cry to its kind; Yes, the night monster will settle there And will find herself a resting place.

The "desert" means desolate places or simply places not frequented by people and this could be haunted houses, bluntly put.