LDS What about the other standard works? (D&C and POGP)

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So Lucifer was a son go God?

In the angelic sense...yes.

 

[Jane_Doe]

It points to them being the same being.
John 1:1 also shows they are the same being.

No it doesn't. The phrase "exact representation of His nature" indicates that the Son is exactly like the Father, the LDS view.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I only said John 1 in this instance points out Jesus as a "shared substance" I then said other verses points out that the Holy Spirit is also God.

...as to the Holy Spirit being the same as the Father...you once said that the Father was Jesus incarnate Father with Mary being Jesus incarnate mother....which is true...but the bible says the Spirit came over Mary and she became pregnant.

This indicated the Holy Spirit and God the Father are the same.

None of these verses say anything about them being one through a shared substance.

 

[Jane_Doe]

In the angelic sense...yes.

So Lucifer was a son of God, and Christ was/is the Son of God. They share a Father, correct?

 

[-57]

No it doesn't. The phrase "exact representation of His nature" indicates that the Son is exactly like the Father, the LDS view.

Yes, a seperate person with the exact nature of the Father. One could also say God the Father had the exact nature as Jesus, God the son. They share the nature...considering both are God.

The Mormons teach Jesus had a heavenly mother who gave birth to the pre-incarnate Jesus in heaven...then this Jesus inherited the nature of God through this heavenly union...or became God. That is something the bible doesn't even come close to teaching....yet another contradiction.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Yes, a seperate person with the exact nature of the Father. One could also say God the Father had the exact nature as Jesus, God the son. They share the nature...considering both are God.

This is also the LDS view. Note: nothing here about substance.

The Mormons teach Jesus had a heavenly mother who gave birth to the pre-incarnate Jesus in heaven...then this Jesus inherited the nature of God through this heavenly union...or became God. That is something the bible doesn't even come close to teaching....yet another contradiction.

I have already addressed you misconceptions here three times. There is no contradiction with the Bible.

 

[-57]

No it doesn't. The phrase "exact representation of His nature" indicates that the Son is exactly like the Father, the LDS view.

Do I need to post John 1:1 again?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

The Word (Jesus) was, is, always was and never wasn't God.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Do I need to post John 1:1 again?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

The Word (Jesus) was, is, always was and never wasn't God.

Have I ever disagreed with you on that point? If so, please provide the post number.

 

[-57]

I have already addressed you misconceptions here three times. There is no contradiction with the Bible.

Then you did a poor job ecause you were not in the least bit convincing.
...are you now denying mormon theology that Jesus had a heavenly mother?

 

[-57]

Have I ever disagreed with you on that point? If so, please provide the post number.

Yes. Mormonism teaches Jesus had a heavenly mother...They teach Jesus ws born in heaven. This clearly tells us Jesus wasn't ALWAYS God.

For you to tell me Jesus was always God..you have to deny mormon teaching.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Then you did a poor job ecause you were not in the least bit convincing.
...are you now denying mormon theology that Jesus had a heavenly mother?

I am denying your misconception that the fact that Christ has a heavenly parent means He was created or is anything other than 100% divine.

 

[-57]

I am denying your misconception that the fact that Christ has a heavenly parent means He was created or is anything other than 100% divine.

Then what was Jesus prior to His heavenly birth from a heavenly mother?

If Jesus was Lucifers brother...then Jesus was an angel...angels are not god.

 

[Jane_Doe]

The Word (Jesus) was, is, always was and never wasn't God.

Have I ever disagreed with you on that point? If so, please provide the post number.

Yes. Mormonism teaches Jesus had a heavenly mother...They teach Jesus ws born in heaven. This clearly tells us Jesus wasn't ALWAYS God.

For you to tell me Jesus was always God..you have to deny mormon teaching.

I asked you to provide the post number where I ever said that Christ was never God. You have failed to do so. On the contrary, I have said repeatedly that Christ was/is alway God. This is LDS teaching.

Please acknowledge this.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Then what was Jesus prior to His heavenly birth from a heavenly mother?

You are dodging my question. The Father is Christ's Father, correct? Does Him having a Father invalidate Him from being God in your theology? It doesn't for me either.

If Jesus was Lucifers brother...then Jesus was an angel...angels are not god.

No. Please quit making false assumptions.

 

[-57]

I asked you to provide the post number where I ever said that Christ was never God. You have failed to do so. On the contrary, I have said repeatedly that Christ was/is alway God. This is LDS teaching.

Please acknowledge this.

Yes, you've spouted that...but when asked how...you do the Mr. Bojangles soft shoe dance.

How can Jesus be born of a mother in heaven..and be God?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Yes, you've spouted that...but when asked how...you do the Mr. Bojangles soft shoe dance.

How can Jesus be born of a mother in heaven..and be God?

The same way He has a Father and is God.

 

[-57]

You are dodging my question. The Father is Christ's Father, correct? Does Him having a Father invalidate Him from being God in your theology? It doesn't for me either

In a sense when the Holy Spirit came over Mary.

In biblical history what does "son of God mean?
In John 5 we read "18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."

In biblical times "son of God" was a claim to diety. Of being the creator mentioned in Genesis.
There is much to say on this topic and the term "son of God' isn't limited to mormon interpretation only.

Psalms 2-9 puts it this way:
“FOR TO WHICH OF THE ANGELS DID HE EVER SAY, ‘YOU ARE MY SON. TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”? And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”? 6 And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.” 7 And of the angels He says, “WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.” 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,”

We can clearly see that in this context, Jesus being called the Son of God means that Jesus is God. Ref

 

[-57]

The same way He has a Father and is God.

So the mother was God?

What was Jesus prior to becoming the son of god? Why will you not answer that question?

 

[Jane_Doe]

In a sense when the Holy Spirit came over Mary.

I'm talking about before the Incarnation. Christ was the Son of God, and the Father was His Father. Do you not believe this?

 

[Jane_Doe]

So the mother was God?

What was Jesus prior to becoming the son of god? Why will you not answer that question?

Until you acknowledge foundational LDS beliefs (like Jesus Christ is the Son of God and 100% divine) there no point talking about more advance subjects.