LDS What about the other standard works? (D&C and POGP)

[-57]

But what about that does he disagree with?

The bible teaches Jesus is fully man and fully God (hypostatic union) and didn't inherit divine powers from God.

 

[-57]

Jesus is God He couldn't inherit anything from anybody. It is this confusing Trinity - Father, Son and Spirit are equal + all other stuff that nobody actually comprehend.

Alla27, do you have a spirit?

 

[Jane_Doe]

The bible teaches Jesus is fully man and fully God (hypostatic union)

LDS agree with this (with a slightly different understanding of it)

didn't inherit divine powers from God.

The phrasing in the manual you quoted in referring to the hypostatic union: Christ has divine God-like powers because He was/is divine due to that part of His nature. These power pre-date the incarnation (when He took on a tabernacle of flesh).

 

[-57]

LDS agree with this (with a slightly different understanding of it)

The phrasing in the manual you quoted in referring to the hypostatic union: Christ has divine God-like powers because He was/is divine due to that part of His nature. These power pre-date the incarnation (when He took on a tabernacle of flesh).

If the divine powers predated Christ incarnation...then they weren't inherited. The sunday school lesson is then wrong.

 

[fatboys]

The bible teaches Jesus is fully man and fully God (hypostatic union) and didn't inherit divine powers from God.

He inherited the power to take his life up again after death because he was the Son of God. Does it make sense to you that God had to come to earth and repair a mistake he made when he failed to create a Adam that would not sin? That God does not have the power to create a being that would desire to follow him and desire to always be obedient. Not only that either God knew Adam was going to disobey before he ever created him or he is not all knowing. Mainstream Christianity believes in a in incomplete Powerless God. And yet you get hung up on whether or not Jesus who is the son of God could inherit perfect genetics for his mortal body that mixed with mortal imperfect genes which made him susceptible to death?

 

[-57]

Does it make sense to you that God had to come to earth and repair a mistake he made when he failed to create a Adam that would not sin?

Repair a mistake? Really? God made a mistake?

 

[Jane_Doe]

If the divine powers predated Christ incarnation...then they weren't inherited. The sunday school lesson is then wrong.

The Sunday school lesson is not to be interpreted as He got them that way, but rather referring to His two natures. It is correct, just a different way of phrasing things than you are accustomed to.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Repair a mistake? Really? God made a mistake?

It is commonly viewed by mainstream that the Fall was a mistake-- something that was not supposed to happen and only happened because of Adam's failure.

LDS do not view it this way: rather God knew the Fall was going to happen and this was always part of Plan A.

 

[-57]

The Sunday school lesson is not to be interpreted as He got them that way, but rather referring to His two natures. It is correct, just a different way of phrasing things than you are accustomed to.

Of course I'm not accustomed to that phrasing...It's unbiblical. Jesus was always God. Never was He not.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Jesus was always God. Never was He not.

Which LDS agree on: Jesus was always God.
There is nothing unbiblical about this belief.

 

[-57]

It is commonly viewed by mainstream that the Fall was a mistake-- something that was not supposed to happen and only happened because of Adam's failure.

LDS do not view it this way: rather God knew the Fall was going to happen and this was always part of Plan A.

Of course The Godhead knew Adam was going to disobey...in fact their "plan" of salvation was already drawn up prior to the creation of the world. Jesus the second of the Godhead knew He would incarnate in a hypostatic union and die as a substitionary sacrifice and take upon the sins of the believers.....despite that the Godhead formed mankind from the dust.

 

[-57]

Which LDS agree on: Jesus was always God.
There is nothing unbiblical about this belief.

The LDS teaches Jesus and Lucifer were created being..brothers. Jesus was accepted to be the sacrifice over Lucifer. This would then make Lucifer a god rather than an angel.

 

[Jane_Doe]

The LDS teaches Jesus and Lucifer were created being..brothers. Jesus was accepted to be the sacrifice over Lucifer. This would then make Lucifer a god rather than an angel.

I'm going to correct a few misunderstandings here---

Not, LDS do not teach that Christ is a created being.

LDS acknowledge that the Father is the Father of all beings. Christ is the Son of God and everyone else is sons of God (notice the difference in capitalization). Hence everyone was a spiritual brother, including Lucifer before he rebelled.

-57 said: "Jesus was accepted to be the sacrifice over Lucifer." No. Christ volunteered to be our Savior in accordance to the Father's plan. Lucifer did not offer to be such a sacrifice, nor did he want a part in the Father's plan. Rather he wanted to follow his own plan (this is part of his rebellion).

-57 said: "This would then make Lucifer a god rather than an angel.." No. Just no.

 

[fatboys]

Repair a mistake? Really? God made a mistake?

I know he didn't but mainstream Christianity does. Let me ask you why was there a need for a Savior?

 

[-57]

Not, LDS do not teach that Christ is a created being.

Then how did Jesus come about?
I don't think you're really expressing what you believe

 

[-57]

I know he didn't but mainstream Christianity does. Let me ask you why was there a need for a Savior?

There is a need for a savior because of the fall of Adam in the garden.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Then how did Jesus come about?
I don't think you're really expressing what you believe

Christ has always existed. He is everlasting to everlasting, has no end, is the alpha and omega.

• from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God: Ps. 90:2 .
• thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end: Ps. 102:27 .
• Lord shall reign for ever, even thy God: Ps. 146:10 .
• thy name is from everlasting: Isa. 63:16 .
• being understood by … his eternal power and Godhead: Rom. 1:20 .

• Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever: Heb. 13:8 . ( Morm. 9:9 ; Moro. 10:7, 19 ; D&C 20:11–12 . )
• Alpha and Omega … the first and the last: Rev. 22:13 .

• course of the Lord is one eternal round: 1 Ne. 10:19 . ( Alma 37:12 ; D&C 3:2 ; D&C 35:1 . )
• one Eternal God: Alma 11:44 .
• God … being from everlasting to everlasting: Moro. 7:22 .

• I am endless: D&C 19:10 .
• God in heaven, who is infinite and eternal: D&C 20:17 .
• Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end: D&C 38:1 .
• From eternity to eternity he is the same: D&C 76:4 .
• Eternal God of all other gods: D&C 121:32 .

• Endless is my name; for I am without beginning of days or end: Moses 1:3 .
• Endless and Eternal is my name: Moses 7:35 .

 

[NYCGuy]

Then how did Jesus come about?
I don't think you're really expressing what you believe

Mormons believe that we are all eternal (they also believe that matter is eternal). We all have a core "intelligence" that has always existed, for all of us (this isn't unique to Jesus). They also believe that we are literal sons and daughters of Heavenly Father (and His spouse, Heavenly Mother). Jesus Christ (known as Jehovah also) was the firstborn spirit son of the Father and Mother. So, while Mormons can say that Jesus Christ has always existed (though they also say that we have all always existed), there was some sort of creative process that occurred that resulted in us being the literal sons and daughters of "heavenly parents".

 

[BigDaddy4]

Then how did Jesus come about?
I don't think you're really expressing what you believe

I've noticed that there are differences in what an individual lds member may believe and what is taught, written, or endorsed by the lds church, even if it is not doctrine.

 

[Peter1000]

I checked out your link

As an investigator I read the following from the link and realized the teaching presented is false.

Jesus is the only person on earth to be born of a mortal mother and an immortal Father. That is why He is called the Only Begotten Son. He inherited divine powers from His Father. From His mother He inherited mortality and was subject to hunger, thirst, fatigue, pain, and death. No one could take the Savior’s life from Him unless He willed it. He had power to lay it down and power to take up His body again after dying.

So because we insert that Jesus inherited divine powers from His Father, you have concluded that this manual is teaching false information about Jesus?