What about the differences between chimps and humans?

[renniks]

The thing is, Nature is Life. It's not art.

It certainly is art. Perhaps you have not looked closely enough.

 

[Astrid]

That's because Nature, being creative, does not "design". Creativity doesn't require a designer.


The Sistine Chapel is not Nature. It's a completely different trajectory.

Low snark such as rhat about the chapel
is unworthy of the forum or any response at
all. IMO, and all.

 

[dlamberth]

It certainly is art. Perhaps you have not looked closely enough.

When I look beyond the art of Nature, I see the Creativity of Nature. No designer required.

 

[dlamberth]

Low snark such as rhat about the chapel
is unworthy of the forum or any response at
all. IMO, and all.

I'm not understanding what your meaning.

 

[renniks]

When I look beyond the art of Nature, I see the Creativity of Nature. No designer required.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[dlamberth]

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

It could be that too your focused on a narrow box requiring a designer and looking at Nature as art only. I'm suggesting a deeper look beyond the art and the Creativity that Life itSelf is.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Fiction equals Muck to man evolution.

Ironically, that is one of the few statements you've made which everyone here would agree with.

 

[renniks]

It could be that too your focused on a narrow box requiring a designer and looking at Nature as art only. I'm suggesting a deeper look beyond the art and the Creativity that Life itSelf is.

No it's not art only, it's interactive art, it's life and order and beauty. What it is, is impossible without an intelligent being behind it.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

No it's not art only, it's interactive art, it's life and order and beauty. What it is, is impossible without an intelligent being behind it.

Don't you mean "It's impossible without my interpretation of God behind it"?

 

[Astrid]

Don't you mean "It's impossible without my interpretation of God behind it"?

In general, such statements mean the person saying it has
infallible Knowledge, certainly far exceeding that of any
mere scientist on earth.

How anyone manages such fantastic egotism
surpasseth all understanding.

 

[Phred]

Wow, what a load of hogwash!
Of course I know how it's improbable.
Because most mutations are a loss, not a gain, even if they happen to be beneficial. So claiming the occasional beneficial mutation shows that Evolution works is like saying if I switch off the lights a room in my house, that explains how the house was built.

And I know about God from multiple sources... mostly personal experience.

Sure you do. Something happened. And you decided it must have been "God" because it couldn't have happened any other way. That's not exactly what I'd call evidence.

Your nonsense about evolution works the same way. You decided a long time ago that it wasn't real so it can't be real. You will rant and rave and lie because you've already decided. You don't understand the concept, you can't grasp the evidence... so you live in a world of falsehoods and ignorance.

What you don't get... Evolution isn't up for debate. Life evolved. That's a fact. It's reality. It's as real as dropping something and watching it fall. The theory is exactly HOW it evolved. If you think that your mythology about creation is in any way close to being an alternative you're... well, I'll be kind. You need help.

 

[renniks]

Sure you do. Something happened. And you decided it must have been "God" because it couldn't have happened any other way. That's not exactly what I'd call evidence.

Your nonsense about evolution works the same way. You decided a long time ago that it wasn't real so it can't be real. You will rant and rave and lie because you've already decided. You don't understand the concept, you can't grasp the evidence... so you live in a world of falsehoods and ignorance.

What you don't get... Evolution isn't up for debate. Life evolved. That's a fact. It's reality. It's as real as dropping something and watching it fall. The theory is exactly HOW it evolved. If you think that your mythology about creation is in any way close to being an alternative you're... well, I'll be kind. You need help.

Calling someone a liar is flaming.
And your post here contains no evidence of any kind, just random insults.

 

[Phred]

Nature isn't an intelligence... it can't design anything.
I suppose you think the Sistine chapel ceiling painted itself too...

Nature designs things via natural laws. Physics. Evolution is subject to those laws. This is beautiful. It's designed by nature and yet no intelligence had anything to do with it.

 

[AV1611VET]

In general, such statements mean the person saying it has infallible Knowledge, certainly far exceeding that of any mere scientist on earth.

Ya ... It's called the Bible.

I'll bet you got one or three on your self, don't you?

 

[Phred]

Calling someone a liar is flaming.
And your post here contains no evidence of any kind, just random insults.

Son, you post no evidence. Ever. But you sure enjoy hootin' and hollerin' at me if I don't. You delight in making me waste my time to feed you things you will ignore. I believe you know exactly what you're doing and you do it on purpose. So save the righteous indignation. If you ever actually want to learn something I'll be happy to show you.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you ever actually want to learn something I'll be happy to show you.

Happily show me a missing link.

 

[Phred]

Ya ... It's called the Bible.

I'll bet you got one or three on your self, don't you?

Show me one thing in the Bible that proves it was written by someone with knowledge exceeding that of someone here on Earth. One.

 

[Phred]

Happily show me a missing link.

The concept of a "missing link" is incorrect. I can't show you what was in error to begin with. But you've already had this explained to you numerous times.

 

[renniks]

Nature designs things via natural laws. Physics. Evolution is subject to those laws. This is beautiful. It's designed by nature and yet no intelligence had anything to do with it.

What would be beautiful about blind chance?

 

[renniks]

Son, you post no evidence. Ever. But you sure enjoy hootin' and hollerin' at me if I don't. You delight in making me waste my time to feed you things you will ignore. I believe you know exactly what you're doing and you do it on purpose. So save the righteous indignation. If you ever actually want to learn something I'll be happy to show you.

I'm not your son. Probably old enough to be your Dad actually, if your lack of wisdom is any indication.