What about the differences between chimps and humans?

[Astrid]

Two comments on one item.
Snakes are not "suffering" leg loss.
They are immensely successful.

And, boas and pythons both have pelvic elements
and the femur, which your good creo doesn't mention.

There's much worse elsewhere.
Only the grossly uneducated would fall for
such a shabby fraud.

In general, if ones faith needs lies, misrepresentation,
etc to prop it up its not much of a faith.

In the event, by "good creationist" I meant one
who at least has some grasp of basic science
and doesn't just regurgitate the usual cut n
paste garbage that we see over and over.

It would be nice to have a real discussion.

So, Psalm, your response to this was just to
repeat what I said?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Indeed. Some researchers have suggested an independent line may exist amongst microbes, in some - to most life - extreme environment. They've suggested we be alert to the possibility. In some ways, were it discovered, it would be the equivalent of finding extra-terrestrial life. I'd love to give citations for this, but at present it is merely a recollection of something read, somewhere, in the last decade.

ISTR at one point it was suggested that the Archaea might have had a separate origin - I think that's been put to bed now. But the point is a good one; once established in an extremophile niche, an alternative form of life would have less competition and a better chance of out-competing it.

 

[Astrid]

ISTR at one point it was suggested that the Archaea might have had a separate origin - I think that's been put to bed now. But the point is a good one; once established in an extremophile niche, an alternative form of life would have less competition and a better chance of out-competing it.

I've wondered if life may spontaneously arise
quite frequently.
We'd never notice, and it would soon
get eaten.

 

[HitchSlap]

... you people will believe anything, including false scientific data (agendas)

That's funny, because I believe the same thing about creos.

 

[Ophiolite]

I've wondered if life may spontaneously arise
quite frequently.
We'd never notice, and it would soon
get eaten.

The argument against that is the components likely necessary for assembly as new life would get eaten before any assembly could proceed far enough. (I use assembly as a convenient term to cover the complex processes by which abiogenesis might occur.)

 

[Psalm 27]

So, Psalm, your response to this was just to
repeat what I said?

John Mackay is educated. He’s a geologist.

That's funny, because I believe the same thing about creos.

fair point, we all have to accept our beliefs on faith, none of us were actually there

 

[HitchSlap]

fair point, we all have to accept our beliefs on faith, none of us were actually there

My epistemology helps me determine reality; no faith needed.

 

[AV1611VET]

My epistemology helps me determine reality; no faith needed.

How often does your reality change?

 

[HitchSlap]

How often does your reality change?

About the same rate as the color purple runs.

 

[AV1611VET]

About the same rate as the color purple runs.

Did it run when Pluto got demoted?

 

[HitchSlap]

Did it run when Pluto got demoted?

Yep, and he took a pay cut, too.

 

[Astrid]

John Mackay is educated. He’s a geologist.

fair point, we all have to accept our beliefs on faith, none of us were actually there

Aside from appeal to dubious authority,
your basic concept is that if a person is
"educated" anything he says is true.

It's ot anyway, as I was commenting on the garbage about
snakes, some of which have legs, or vestiges of, clear
BTW evidence of evolution, but you skipped that and went
straight to irrelevance.

But we know it's useless to defend the indefensible.

 

[Phred]

"Making you"?

It goes something like this.

I don't believe you. Post evidence.

~Evidence. Links.

That's not good enough.

What do you need?

Evidence.

~Evidence. Links.

No. That's not good enough.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Astrid]

John Mackay is educated. He’s a geologist.

fair point, we all have to accept our beliefs on faith, none of us were actually there

Always this silly equivocation game with " faith",
as if faith in God is exactly the same as faith that
your shoes are still tied when you glance away.

 

[Astrid]

It goes something like this.

I don't believe you. Post evidence.

~Evidence. Links.

That's not good enough.

What do you need?

Evidence.

~Evidence. Links.

No. That's not good enough.

Rinse and repeat.

Odd..there's no question, post, rinse or repeat for me.
Nobody has the capacity to make me do it.
You sure there is coercion?

 

[Astrid]

The argument against that is the components likely necessary for assembly as new life would get eaten before any assembly could proceed far enough. (I use assembly as a convenient term to cover the complex processes by which abiogenesis might occur.)

Sure, but maybe...

 

[Astrid]

That's funny, because I believe the same thing about creos.

Is that belief, something equivalent, or what you observe
(empirical, data, that kind of stuff)in virtually every creopost?

 

[HitchSlap]

Is that belief, something equivalent, or what you observe
(empirical, data, that kind of stuff)in virtually every creopost?

Creationism doesn't use the scientific method. They start with their interpretation of the bible, then cherry pick ostensible half-truths to bamboozle the flock with.

 

[AV1611VET]

Aside from appeal to dubious authority, your basic concept is that if a person is "educated" anything he says is true.

I think the term you're looking for is: ultracrepidarianism, the habit of giving opinions and advice on matters outside of one's knowledge or competence.

 

[AV1611VET]

Always this silly equivocation game with " faith", as if faith in God is exactly the same as faith that your shoes are still tied when you glance away.

Faith is believing something, even when science demonstrates otherwise.

In the case of the Christian faith, it is worth dying for.