What about the differences between chimps and humans?

[o_mlly]

Wake me when that happens.

Hmmm... have you been sleeping all through this thread? Your request for a wake-up call is noted.

 

[HitchSlap]

Hitch, were you here way back when someone posted a cartoon video showing a man riding a T. Rex; and a scientist comes along and says they didn't co-exist, and the T. Rex tail-drives him about 500 yards into the distance?

Something like that.

That was no ordinary man!

 

[HitchSlap]

You're profession is in the batter's box.

He is profession?

 

[Ophiolite]

I think you are making my point.

I don't see how.

Citations, please.

Basis for Cumulative Cultural Evolution in Chimpanzees: Social Learning of a More Efficient Tool-Use Technique

 

[o_mlly]

He is profession?

Good catch!

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Well, now who's being unfair. I presently favor Process Structuralism as an evo theory. I posted that a fundamental problem with other evo theories is an over reliance on randomness. In a presumed determined universe, claiming randomness is simply to admit ignorance. Structuralism not only introduces constraints on that randomness but explains convergence as well as divergence. Once the physicists get involved, quantam mechanics will move, IMHO, the ball even further toward a coherent theory of a directed evolution. Stay tuned.

What pray tell is Process Structuralism beyond a recognition that the physics of the environment plays a role in selection of adaptations in evolution?
I think I will go with Larry Moran on this one.
"There's nothing in science that supports the views of the structuralists. We have perfectly good explanations for why bumblebees are different than mushrooms and why all vertebrates have vertebrae and not exoskeletons. There's no evidence to support the idea that if you replay the tape of life it will come out looking anything like what we see today. You can be confident that when you visit another planet you will not find vertebrates."[15]

 

[o_mlly]

Basis for Cumulative Cultural Evolution in Chimpanzees: Social Learning of a More Efficient Tool-Use Technique

Sorry, this paper "sucks". What the report says is, "Chimp see, chimp do" Absent the human demonstration of sucking the chimps would still be dipping.

 

[o_mlly]

What pray tell is Process Structuralism beyond a recognition that the physics of the environment plays a role in selection of adaptations in evolution?
I think I will go with Larry Moran on this one.
"There's nothing in science that supports the views of the structuralists. We have perfectly good explanations for why bumblebees are different than mushrooms and why all vertebrates have vertebrae and not exoskeletons. There's no evidence to support the idea that if you replay the tape of life it will come out looking anything like what we see today. You can be confident that when you visit another planet you will not find vertebrates."[15]

Tell Larry to stay tuned as well.

 

[Frank Robert]

Sorry, this paper "sucks". What the report says is, "Chimp see, chimp do" Absent the human demonstration of sucking the chimps would still be dipping.

So you say.

 

[Frank Robert]

Tell Larry to stay tuned as well.

Larry asked me to wake him after you wake me.

In the meantime check out his blog Sandwalk You could learn something on how to critique instead of unsupported claims.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Tell Larry to stay tuned as well.

Well that doesn't do much to advance intellectual conversation. All I and possibly others know about "process structuralism" is what I found at Wikipedia, but I have been trying to figure out what your take on evolution is. As far as I can tell from this latest edition, is that you have no solid objections other than we don't know everything, but you think it should show a direction, preferably indicating your god concept.

Please enlighten us.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You can be confident that when you visit another planet you will not find vertebrates."[15]

So disappointing. If Sci-Fi (esp. Star Trek) has taught me anything, it's that advanced life on other planets would be (ape-like) mammals.

 

[Ophiolite]

Sorry, this paper "sucks". What the report says is, "Chimp see, chimp do" Absent the human demonstration of sucking the chimps would still be dipping.

From the paper "All five chimpanzees who initially performed the “dipping” technique switched to using the more efficient “straw-sucking” technique upon observing a conspecific or human demonstrate the more proficient alternate “straw-sucking” technique."
Key word emboldened.
I see you entirely missed the point and significance of the paper.

Anyway, I'll be interested to learn your excuse for rejecting this one:
Social Network Analysis Shows Direct Evidence for Social Transmission of Tool Use in Wild Chimpanzees

By the way, why are you so opposed to the possibility of cultural evolution in chimpanzees?

 

[HitchSlap]

Larry asked me to wake him after you wake me.

In the meantime check out his blog Sandwalk You could learn something on how to critique instead of unsupported claims.

Maybe you could ask Larry to wake me after you wake him?

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Sorry, this paper "sucks". What the report says is, "Chimp see, chimp do" Absent the human demonstration of sucking the chimps would still be dipping.

Yes that is what social learning is, you may have noticed that is how children learn as well. Your point?

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

So disappointing. If Sci-Fi (esp. Star Trek) has taught me anything, it's that advanced life on other planets would be (ape-like) mammals.

That was Larry, I disagree with him on that. As you say, Star Trek has taught us that alien organisms will have look generally tetrapod though I think there were a few with exoskeletons.

This is also where I think the limits of "process structuralism" come in. There are only so many ways you can simply organize something. Blobs, Tubes, etc, we took over at tubes with two bilateral other blobs, we could have been radially symmetrical.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Larry asked me to wake him after you wake me.

In the meantime check out his blog Sandwalk You could learn something on how to critique instead of unsupported claims.

Thanks for the wake up, Sandwalk had fallen of my regular perusal list. I have some old posts to read.

 

[Frank Robert]

Maybe you could ask Larry to wake me after you wake him?

Your on my list.

 

[Humble_Disciple]

 

[Shemjaza]

Yet Creationists keep feeling the need to lie and can never respond with positive evidence for their claims.