Well, the reason why Joe killed the Keystone pipeline becomes more clear

[Erik Nelson]

I personally think that the solution resides in renewables.

Nice dream, nice rhetoric

California's rolling blackouts are the reality

renewables = un-reliables

• don't work on cloudy days
• don't work on calm days
• don't work at night

You're effectively advocating returning back to pre-Industrial Revolution times, before the emergence of coal & steam power, when mills & factories were limited to iconic Dutch windmills & stream-powered water wheels

Reliable 24/7/365 coal-fired steam power, independent of winds & weather, is what unleashed the Industrial Revolution. Bad idea?

 

[Job 33:6]

Nice dream, nice rhetoric

California's rolling blackouts are the reality

renewables = un-reliables

• don't work on cloudy days
• don't work on calm days
• don't work at night

You're effectively advocating returning back to pre-Industrial Revolution times, before the emergence of coal & steam power, when mills & factories were limited to iconic Dutch windmills & stream-powered water wheels

Reliable 24/7/365 coal-fired steam power, independent of winds & weather, is what unleashed the Industrial Revolution. Bad idea?

I disagree. I think your position is too "dumbed-down" or simplified like a straw-man, and doesn't look at the recent advances we've been seeing in these clean alternatives.

Well first off, renewables also include not just solar and wind, but geothermal, biomass, and hydro as well. (The earth never stops being cold, the moon never stops making tidal energy either).

But beyond that, green energies are still in their infancy in research and development. We've been using fossil fuels and cars for hundreds of years since the industrial revolution. But we really haven't invested such efforts into renewables in the post industrial revolution world. And this is demonstrated through the increasing efficiency of these renewable sources of energies as we continually increase our investigation of them. Solar panels are becoming better and better for example. Able to gather more energy at a cheaper cost. Same with wind energy.

We also have alternatives such as hydrogen fuel cells such as those recently developed in Japan which emit water.

Water Emissions from Fuel Cell Vehicles

But beyond this, you can see that I also recommended additional R and D of nuclear power as well. People have concerns over what to do with nuclear waste, however recent developments and efforts are being aimed at using nuclear waste itself as a fuel (it's still radioactive, and is therefore still releasing energy that can be captured). But so long as people are caught up on bronze age fossil fuels, we will never really get to see the full potential of any of the above sources of energy.

And to be fair, if people really think that society is dependent upon finite fossil fuels, then what they are suggesting is that mankind will basically face extinction once fossil fuels run out. Which is kind of a ludicrous position to take. As if mankind isn't smart enough to harness the infinite energy of fusion and fission. No, we are plenty smart enough, it's just that we have these big fossil fuel industries that don't want to see us turn in that direction.

Most efficient solar panels 2020 — Clean Energy Reviews.

Solar panel efficiency is a measure of the amount of solar energy (irradiation) which falls on a panel surface and is converted into electricity. Due to the many recent advances in solar cell technology over the last 5 years, average panel conversion efficiency has increased from 15% to 20%. This large jump in efficiency resulted in the power output of a standard size panel to increase from 250W up to 340W.

Tesla's Musk says solar, energy storage will grow faster than electric cars, and there's some truth to it

Tesla's Elon Musk lays out how to transition Earth to clean energy



Elon musk thinks so too, and his businesses are doing exceptionally well.

Advancements in Wind Turbine Technology: Improving Efficiency and Reducing Cost | Power Engineering

And also, as mentioned before, these renewable sources of energy are becoming cheaper than fossil fuels such as oil. And that's a big deal. Because what it means, is that we are beginning to get renewable energies at a cheaper cost that are much longer lasting than fossil fuels.

Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? And what can we do to use this global opportunity for green growth?.

Fossil fuels dominate the global power supply because until very recently electricity from fossil fuels was far cheaper than electricity from renewables. This has dramatically changed within the last decade. In most places in the world power from new renewables is now cheaper than power from new fossil fuels.

A breakthrough approaches for solar power

Today's average commercial solar panel converts 17-19% of the light energy hitting it to electricity. This is up from 12% just 10 years ago. But what if we could boost this to 30%?

More efficient solar cells mean we could get much more than today's 2.4% of global electricity supply from the sun.

Solar is already the world's fastest growing energy technology.

A Solution to the Nuclear Waste Problem - TerraPower


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A Solution to the Nuclear Waste Problem
October 29, 2015
Kevan Weaver, Ph.D, Director of Technology Integration

TerraPower’s traveling wave reactor (TWR) technology will help with a perceived problem highlighted by critics of nuclear power: nuclear waste.

Only one source of carbon-free electricity is economic, reliable 24/7, and proven to work on a large scale: nuclear power. Nuclear power generation is criticized by some in the United States because current reactors produce tons of radioactive waste without a permanent, dedicated storage space in this country. The most significant high-level waste from a nuclear reactor is the used nuclear fuel left after it has spent more than four years in the reactor generating heat for electricity. The cost of disposing of nuclear waste from commercial reactors in the United States has been estimated at $92 billion. Each reactor generates waste that, in 2014, was estimated to cost $300 million to manage.

However, the volume of the spent nuclear fuel produced by a TWR will be about 80 percent less than that produced by the commercial “light water” reactors in use in the United States today. This is because TerraPower’s TWR burns not only the initial enriched material, but also converts and burns much of the natural or depleted uranium in the fuel without reprocessing, compared with the reactors currently in use that burn just enriched material. In fact, depleted uranium, previously considered a waste by-product of the uranium enrichment process, is the sustaining fuel source for the TWR.

Etc. Etc.



The above is basic economics and waste reduction 101. If you can reclaim, recycle and reprocess spent material, that means you're spending less for product, it means you're spending less for waste disposal, you're removing the threat of generated waste, and youre maximizing the quantity of product that you have. It's not only business smart, but it's environmentally smart too.

Annnd....guess what? That spent nuclear waste that is currently stored in hazardous waste landfills (as if it is worthless)? Develop a reactor that uses spent rods as product, and those landfills becomes gold mines.

And...as if it couldn't get better, all of the above are job-producers. Making solar panels installing solar panels, installing geothermal wells, constructing and staffing reactor facilities, manufacturing hydrogen cells.

We could certainly thrive off of clean energy. It's absolutely feasible, and likely to occur. But it starts with getting rid of this idea that we are dependent upon dirty energies such as coal or oil.

 

[Job 33:6]

I disagree. I think your position is too "dumbed-down" or simplified like a straw-man, and doesn't look at the recent advances we've been seeing in these clean alternatives.

Well first off, renewables also include not just solar and wind, but geothermal, biomass, and hydro as well. (The earth never stops being cold, the moon never stops making tidal energy either).

But beyond that, green energies are still in their infancy in research and development. We've been using fossil fuels and cars for hundreds of years since the industrial revolution. But we really haven't invested such efforts into renewables in the post industrial revolution world. And this is demonstrated through the increasing efficiency of these renewable sources of energies as we continually increase our investigation of them. Solar panels are becoming better and better for example. Able to gather more energy at a cheaper cost. Same with wind energy.

We also have alternatives such as hydrogen fuel cells such as those recently developed in Japan which emit water.

Water Emissions from Fuel Cell Vehicles

But beyond this, you can see that I also recommended additional R and D of nuclear power as well. People have concerns over what to do with nuclear waste, however recent developments and efforts are being aimed at using nuclear waste itself as a fuel (it's still radioactive, and is therefore still releasing energy that can be captured). But so long as people are caught up on bronze age fossil fuels, we will never really get to see the full potential of any of the above sources of energy.

And to be fair, if people really think that society is dependent upon finite fossil fuels, then what they are suggesting is that mankind will basically face extinction once fossil fuels run out. Which is kind of a ludicrous position to take. As if mankind isn't smart enough to harness the infinite energy of fusion and fission. No, we are plenty smart enough, it's just that we have these big fossil fuel industries that don't want to see us turn in that direction.

Most efficient solar panels 2020 — Clean Energy Reviews.

Solar panel efficiency is a measure of the amount of solar energy (irradiation) which falls on a panel surface and is converted into electricity. Due to the many recent advances in solar cell technology over the last 5 years, average panel conversion efficiency has increased from 15% to 20%. This large jump in efficiency resulted in the power output of a standard size panel to increase from 250W up to 340W.

Tesla's Musk says solar, energy storage will grow faster than electric cars, and there's some truth to it

Tesla's Elon Musk lays out how to transition Earth to clean energy



Elon musk thinks so too, and his businesses are doing exceptionally well.

Advancements in Wind Turbine Technology: Improving Efficiency and Reducing Cost | Power Engineering

And also, as mentioned before, these renewable sources of energy are becoming cheaper than fossil fuels such as oil. And that's a big deal. Because what it means, is that we are beginning to get renewable energies at a cheaper cost that are much longer lasting than fossil fuels.

Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? And what can we do to use this global opportunity for green growth?.

Fossil fuels dominate the global power supply because until very recently electricity from fossil fuels was far cheaper than electricity from renewables. This has dramatically changed within the last decade. In most places in the world power from new renewables is now cheaper than power from new fossil fuels.

A breakthrough approaches for solar power

Today's average commercial solar panel converts 17-19% of the light energy hitting it to electricity. This is up from 12% just 10 years ago. But what if we could boost this to 30%?

More efficient solar cells mean we could get much more than today's 2.4% of global electricity supply from the sun.

Solar is already the world's fastest growing energy technology.

A Solution to the Nuclear Waste Problem - TerraPower


SEARCH
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TerraPower

Technology Development
A Solution to the Nuclear Waste Problem
October 29, 2015
Kevan Weaver, Ph.D, Director of Technology Integration

TerraPower’s traveling wave reactor (TWR) technology will help with a perceived problem highlighted by critics of nuclear power: nuclear waste.

Only one source of carbon-free electricity is economic, reliable 24/7, and proven to work on a large scale: nuclear power. Nuclear power generation is criticized by some in the United States because current reactors produce tons of radioactive waste without a permanent, dedicated storage space in this country. The most significant high-level waste from a nuclear reactor is the used nuclear fuel left after it has spent more than four years in the reactor generating heat for electricity. The cost of disposing of nuclear waste from commercial reactors in the United States has been estimated at $92 billion. Each reactor generates waste that, in 2014, was estimated to cost $300 million to manage.

However, the volume of the spent nuclear fuel produced by a TWR will be about 80 percent less than that produced by the commercial “light water” reactors in use in the United States today. This is because TerraPower’s TWR burns not only the initial enriched material, but also converts and burns much of the natural or depleted uranium in the fuel without reprocessing, compared with the reactors currently in use that burn just enriched material. In fact, depleted uranium, previously considered a waste by-product of the uranium enrichment process, is the sustaining fuel source for the TWR.

Etc. Etc.



The above is basic economics and waste reduction 101. If you can reclaim, recycle and reprocess spent material, that means you're spending less for product, it means you're spending less for waste disposal, you're removing the threat of generated waste, and youre maximizing the quantity of product that you have. It's not only business smart, but it's environmentally smart too.

Annnd....guess what? That spent nuclear waste that is currently stored in hazardous waste landfills (as if it is worthless)? Develop a reactor that uses spent rods as product, and those landfills becomes gold mines.

And...as if it couldn't get better, all of the above are job-producers. Making solar panels installing solar panels, installing geothermal wells, constructing and staffing reactor facilities, manufacturing hydrogen cells.

We could certainly thrive off of clean energy. It's absolutely feasible, and likely to occur. But it starts with getting rid of this idea that we are dependent upon dirty energies such as coal or oil.

And one last thought. When Donald Trump was elected as president, he brought a coal lobbyist in as the head of the EPA, who served as head of the EPA for the past 4 years.

Coal ash actually contains hazardous chemicals that cause cancer, are flammable, toxic etc. But coal waste products are actually exempt from hazardous waste federal regulations. It honestly doesn't make any sense from a scientific/health related perspective.

It's kind of like saying that water is ok to drink, and arsenic is dangerous to drink, So we handle arsenic more carefully. However coal ash is also hazardous (it contains arsenic) however, we don't have to handle it carefully because it has exemptions defined by politicians written into federal regulation. Scientifically it is hazardous, but politically it is not hazardous.

Isn't that interesting?

There is no qualitative reason for exemptions for coal ash management, It is purely politics driven regulation, as opposed to scientifically driven regulation.

People (including politicians) invest in coal and oil stocks, and politicians have power to manipulate regulations around energies such as by electing coal lobbyists to lead the epa, thereby influencing success of those businesses and their respective stocks. But just because politicians and fossil fuel lobbyists have the power to manipulate America's regulations to influence the success of fossil fuels and their use, doesn't actually make these fossil fuels the truly optimal source of American energy.

And time will prove this.

 

[aiki]

Evidently the Chinese are going to pick up the slack in oil production....and considering that Joe's kid is up to his neck in Chinese energy companies and old Joe himself sniffs the hair of every member of the Chinese Politburo every chance he gets, that was probably his plan all along.

Probably went down something like this: "If you give me a 30% kickback in oil sales under the table, I will kill domestic oil production in North America to make sure your sales increase."

Would not surprise me...one...bit.

"Huge number of oil tankers heading for Chinese ports":
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

China's plans for North America are much, much bigger than cornering the oil market through Biden. They have been sold Canada, through the treachery of our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau (and various other business moguls and political elites), and are primed, I believe, to march in as soon as the US is sufficiently destabilized. They have a very well-established "beach-head" in Vancouver (jokingly referred to as "Hong-couver") that has spread eastward from British Columbia into Alberta. Chinese business interests (aka the CCP) have bought up huge tracts of Canadian land, their military has an established presence on our soil, and Justin is a shameless sycophant in Xi Xiping's "court." If Americans wonder from what direction China may try to invade, look North. The Chinese will have walked in unchallenged to our country first.

God help us.

 

[AshBlackburn]

What happened to politicians who where on fire for God like they all used to be who stood for righteousness. I'm not at all trying to judge the posture of another man's heart but its clear now days its whatever is good for their own pockets first then the economy then their people last.
In the last days men/women will love money more than God.

 

[loveofourlord]

people still believe the lie that all this oil was some how going to benefit Americans? You guys do know that this oil was heading to the gulf of Mexico to be shipped over seas, and only benefit to ameicans was the few jobs the pipeline made along the way. the oil was from Canada, not like it's going all to the US. here you guys get the idea this was some how going to help the US?

 

[mindlight]

Evidently the Chinese are going to pick up the slack in oil production....and considering that Joe's kid is up to his neck in Chinese energy companies and old Joe himself sniffs the hair of every member of the Chinese Politburo every chance he gets, that was probably his plan all along.

Probably went down something like this: "If you give me a 30% kickback in oil sales under the table, I will kill domestic oil production in North America to make sure your sales increase."

Would not surprise me...one...bit.

"Huge number of oil tankers heading for Chinese ports":
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Or the pleasures of breathing toxic air are overated. So Biden wants to develop an American wind and solar industry rather than continue with support of corpulent oil barons and their commitment to poisoning the water table with fracking. Well boo hoo!

 

[Plain-Complicated]

As much as I agree with your claims in the original post and (at least want to) believe that it is true, it's important to have some sort of proof that such a conspiracy exists. I know that the nature of a conspiracy is that it is obscured, and that's surprisingly easy to do with today's media climate, but someone actually looking into this from an investigative standpoint would be nice. Not trying to imply anything here or talk down to anyone. I'm just thinking out loud

 

[Wolseley]

Or the pleasures of breathing toxic air are overated. So Biden wants to develop an American wind and solar industry rather than continue with support of corpulent oil barons and their commitment to poisoning the water table with fracking. Well boo hoo!

Ah, yes---I was just reading a story about the e-vile petroleum industry....it's best if we wipe it out completely:


One crisp winter morning in Sweden, a cute little girl named Greta woke up to a perfect world, one where there were no petroleum products ruining the earth. She tossed aside her cotton sheet and wool blanket and stepped out onto a dirt floor covered with willow bark that had been pulverized with rocks. “What’s this?” she asked.

“Pulverized willow bark,” replied her fairy godmother.

“What happened to the carpet?” she asked.

“The carpet was nylon, which is made from butadiene and hydrogen cyanide, both made from petroleum,” came the response.

Greta smiled, acknowledging that adjustments are necessary to save the planet, and moved to the sink to brush her teeth where instead of a toothbrush, she found a willow, mangled on one end to expose wood fiber bristles.

"Where's my toothbrush?" Greta asked.

“Your old toothbrush?” noted her godmother, “It's gone. It was made of nylon.”

“Where’s the water?” asked Greta.

“Down the road in the canal,” replied her godmother, "Just make sure you avoid water with cholera in it.”

“Why’s there no running water?” Greta asked, becoming a little peevish.

“Well,” said her godmother (who happened to teach engineering at MIT), “Where do we begin?” Thereupon followed a long monologue about how sink valves need elastomer seats and how copper pipes contain copper, which has to be mined, and how it’s impossible to make all-electric earth-moving equipment with no gear lubrication or tires, and how ore has to be smelted to a make metal, and that’s tough to do with only electricity as a source of heat; and even if you use only electricity, the wires need insulation, which is petroleum-based, and though most of Sweden’s energy is produced in an environmentally friendly way because of hydro and nuclear, if you do a mass and energy balance around the whole system, you still need lots of petroleum products like lubricants, and nylon, and rubber for tires, and asphalt for filling potholes, and wax and iPhone plastic, and elastic to hold your underwear up while operating a copper smelting furnace and . . .

“What’s for breakfast?” interjected Greta, whose head was hurting.

"Fresh, range-fed chicken eggs,” replied her godmother. “Raw.”

“Why raw?” inquired Greta.

“Well," said her godmother, and once again, Greta was told about the need for petroleum products like transformer oil, and scores of petroleum products essential for producing metals for frying pans, and in the end was educated about how you can’t have a petroleum-free world and then cook eggs. Unless you rip your front fence up and start a fire and carefully cook your egg in an orange peel like they used to do in the Boy Scouts. (Not that you can find oranges in Sweden anymore.)

“But I want poached eggs like my Aunt Tilda makes!” lamented Greta.

“Tilda died this morning,” her godmother explained. “Bacterial pneumonia.”

“What?!” interjected Greta. “No one dies of bacterial pneumonia! We have penicillin!”

“Not anymore,” explained her godmother “The production of penicillin requires chemical extraction using isobutyl acetate, which, if you know your organic chemistry, is petroleum-based. Lots of people are dying, which is problematic, because there’s not any easy way of disposing of the bodies since backhoes need hydraulic oil, and crematoriums can’t really burn many bodies using Swedish fences and furniture as fuel---which are rapidly disappearing anyway, since they're being sold on the black market for things like roasting eggs and staying warm.”

This represents only a fraction of Greta’s day, a day without microphones to exclaim into, and a day without much food, and a day without carbon-fiber boats to sail in; but a day that will save the planet.

Tune in tomorrow, when Greta needs a root canal and learns how Novocain is synthesized.

Or in other words, if we get rid of every e-vile petroleum product used today, we'll be going back to approximately 1800 A.D.----except we'll be in worse shape, because there's no whale oil to replace the petroleum, and there aren't enough whales left anymore anyway.

See how much fun this is?

 

[Job 33:6]

Ah, yes---I was just reading a story about the e-vile petroleum industry....it's best if we wipe it out completely:

View attachment 294831
One crisp winter morning in Sweden, a cute little girl named Greta woke up to a perfect world, one where there were no petroleum products ruining the earth. She tossed aside her cotton sheet and wool blanket and stepped out onto a dirt floor covered with willow bark that had been pulverized with rocks. “What’s this?” she asked.

“Pulverized willow bark,” replied her fairy godmother.

“What happened to the carpet?” she asked.

“The carpet was nylon, which is made from butadiene and hydrogen cyanide, both made from petroleum,” came the response.

Greta smiled, acknowledging that adjustments are necessary to save the planet, and moved to the sink to brush her teeth where instead of a toothbrush, she found a willow, mangled on one end to expose wood fiber bristles.

"Where's my toothbrush?" Greta asked.

“Your old toothbrush?” noted her godmother, “It's gone. It was made of nylon.”

“Where’s the water?” asked Greta.

“Down the road in the canal,” replied her godmother, "Just make sure you avoid water with cholera in it.”

“Why’s there no running water?” Greta asked, becoming a little peevish.

“Well,” said her godmother (who happened to teach engineering at MIT), “Where do we begin?” Thereupon followed a long monologue about how sink valves need elastomer seats and how copper pipes contain copper, which has to be mined, and how it’s impossible to make all-electric earth-moving equipment with no gear lubrication or tires, and how ore has to be smelted to a make metal, and that’s tough to do with only electricity as a source of heat; and even if you use only electricity, the wires need insulation, which is petroleum-based, and though most of Sweden’s energy is produced in an environmentally friendly way because of hydro and nuclear, if you do a mass and energy balance around the whole system, you still need lots of petroleum products like lubricants, and nylon, and rubber for tires, and asphalt for filling potholes, and wax and iPhone plastic, and elastic to hold your underwear up while operating a copper smelting furnace and . . .

“What’s for breakfast?” interjected Greta, whose head was hurting.

"Fresh, range-fed chicken eggs,” replied her godmother. “Raw.”

“Why raw?” inquired Greta.

“Well," said her godmother, and once again, Greta was told about the need for petroleum products like transformer oil, and scores of petroleum products essential for producing metals for frying pans, and in the end was educated about how you can’t have a petroleum-free world and then cook eggs. Unless you rip your front fence up and start a fire and carefully cook your egg in an orange peel like they used to do in the Boy Scouts. (Not that you can find oranges in Sweden anymore.)

“But I want poached eggs like my Aunt Tilda makes!” lamented Greta.

“Tilda died this morning,” her godmother explained. “Bacterial pneumonia.”

“What?!” interjected Greta. “No one dies of bacterial pneumonia! We have penicillin!”

“Not anymore,” explained her godmother “The production of penicillin requires chemical extraction using isobutyl acetate, which, if you know your organic chemistry, is petroleum-based. Lots of people are dying, which is problematic, because there’s not any easy way of disposing of the bodies since backhoes need hydraulic oil, and crematoriums can’t really burn many bodies using Swedish fences and furniture as fuel---which are rapidly disappearing anyway, since they're being sold on the black market for things like roasting eggs and staying warm.”

This represents only a fraction of Greta’s day, a day without microphones to exclaim into, and a day without much food, and a day without carbon-fiber boats to sail in; but a day that will save the planet.

Tune in tomorrow, when Greta needs a root canal and learns how Novocain is synthesized.

Or in other words, if we get rid of every e-vile petroleum product used today, we'll be going back to approximately 1800 A.D.----except we'll be in worse shape, because there's no whale oil to replace the petroleum, and there aren't enough whales left anymore anyway.

See how much fun this is?

I don't think anybody believes that we should completely remove fossil fuels from any and all uses.

But rather we should lessen our excessive dependence on it.

 

[mindlight]

Ah, yes---I was just reading a story about the e-vile petroleum industry....it's best if we wipe it out completely:

View attachment 294831
One crisp winter morning in Sweden, a cute little girl named Greta woke up to a perfect world, one where there were no petroleum products ruining the earth. She tossed aside her cotton sheet and wool blanket and stepped out onto a dirt floor covered with willow bark that had been pulverized with rocks. “What’s this?” she asked.

“Pulverized willow bark,” replied her fairy godmother.

“What happened to the carpet?” she asked.

“The carpet was nylon, which is made from butadiene and hydrogen cyanide, both made from petroleum,” came the response.

Greta smiled, acknowledging that adjustments are necessary to save the planet, and moved to the sink to brush her teeth where instead of a toothbrush, she found a willow, mangled on one end to expose wood fiber bristles.

"Where's my toothbrush?" Greta asked.

“Your old toothbrush?” noted her godmother, “It's gone. It was made of nylon.”

“Where’s the water?” asked Greta.

“Down the road in the canal,” replied her godmother, "Just make sure you avoid water with cholera in it.”

“Why’s there no running water?” Greta asked, becoming a little peevish.

“Well,” said her godmother (who happened to teach engineering at MIT), “Where do we begin?” Thereupon followed a long monologue about how sink valves need elastomer seats and how copper pipes contain copper, which has to be mined, and how it’s impossible to make all-electric earth-moving equipment with no gear lubrication or tires, and how ore has to be smelted to a make metal, and that’s tough to do with only electricity as a source of heat; and even if you use only electricity, the wires need insulation, which is petroleum-based, and though most of Sweden’s energy is produced in an environmentally friendly way because of hydro and nuclear, if you do a mass and energy balance around the whole system, you still need lots of petroleum products like lubricants, and nylon, and rubber for tires, and asphalt for filling potholes, and wax and iPhone plastic, and elastic to hold your underwear up while operating a copper smelting furnace and . . .

“What’s for breakfast?” interjected Greta, whose head was hurting.

"Fresh, range-fed chicken eggs,” replied her godmother. “Raw.”

“Why raw?” inquired Greta.

“Well," said her godmother, and once again, Greta was told about the need for petroleum products like transformer oil, and scores of petroleum products essential for producing metals for frying pans, and in the end was educated about how you can’t have a petroleum-free world and then cook eggs. Unless you rip your front fence up and start a fire and carefully cook your egg in an orange peel like they used to do in the Boy Scouts. (Not that you can find oranges in Sweden anymore.)

“But I want poached eggs like my Aunt Tilda makes!” lamented Greta.

“Tilda died this morning,” her godmother explained. “Bacterial pneumonia.”

“What?!” interjected Greta. “No one dies of bacterial pneumonia! We have penicillin!”

“Not anymore,” explained her godmother “The production of penicillin requires chemical extraction using isobutyl acetate, which, if you know your organic chemistry, is petroleum-based. Lots of people are dying, which is problematic, because there’s not any easy way of disposing of the bodies since backhoes need hydraulic oil, and crematoriums can’t really burn many bodies using Swedish fences and furniture as fuel---which are rapidly disappearing anyway, since they're being sold on the black market for things like roasting eggs and staying warm.”

This represents only a fraction of Greta’s day, a day without microphones to exclaim into, and a day without much food, and a day without carbon-fiber boats to sail in; but a day that will save the planet.

Tune in tomorrow, when Greta needs a root canal and learns how Novocain is synthesized.

Or in other words, if we get rid of every e-vile petroleum product used today, we'll be going back to approximately 1800 A.D.----except we'll be in worse shape, because there's no whale oil to replace the petroleum, and there aren't enough whales left anymore anyway.

See how much fun this is?

Admire your creativity but actually not true. Greta is not economically minded, and not my kind of Green. But the Danish energy island is a better example, creating fuel out of windpower and water. We can create a sustainable chemical industry from a green base. There is a transition to be made here and fossil fuels will be around during that transition. What is over is the days of blind acceptance of pollution and damage associated with the oil industry. Of course these guys are not going down without a fight. Eventually it must be economics that destroys them, their products will just incur too many costs to be viable in the marketplace.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Native Americans fight Keystone XL's impact on tribal lands (pri.org)

 

[Erik Nelson]

creating fuel out of windpower and water

You're advocating the unreliable pre-Industrial power sources which kept Europe from Industrializing even as Britain turned to coal and launched the Industrial Revolution

 

[Erik Nelson]

Keystone Pipeline - Wikipedia

The US Gulf Coast has a large concentration of refineries designed to process very heavy crude oil. At present, the refineries are dependent on heavy crude from Venezuela...The Keystone pipeline is seen as a way to replace imports of heavy oil-sand crude from Venezuela with more reliable Canadian heavy oil...

the opposition to the oil sands actually comes from foreign countries such as Nigeria, Venezuela, and Saudi Arabia, all of whom supply oil to the United States and who could be affected if the price of oil drops due to the new availability of oil from the pipeline.​

 

[Erik Nelson]

MT Senator Daines is drafting legislation to counter the Keystone moratorium
Sen. Daines: Fight not over to reverse Biden decision on Keystone pipeline

 

[Erik Nelson]

Pipelines -- good everywhere else

Biden kills pipelines at home but promotes them for the Taliban

 

[Erik Nelson]

Stopping Keystone XL punishes North American suppliers to the benefit of the rest of the world

Biden energy policies benefit foreign companies like Burisma

 

[Danthemailman]

I heard similar. That the oil will still be extracted but it will now be free to go to China. Rah rah for China. And if Hunter gets a kickback, well, rah rah too. It never really was about the environment, even if Biden gets to sell it as such.

So it’s all about Biden and China and not about the environment or America. Why am I not surprised?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Why am I not surprised?

Just saw (part of) an episode of Paternity Court with Lauren Lake. The defendant admitted to the Judge he had never really cared for the plaintiff, but had only ever said whatever he thought he needed to say, to get her to give him what he wanted. She fell for his lies over & over.