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Well, the reason why Joe killed the Keystone pipeline becomes more clear

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Evidently the Chinese are going to pick up the slack in oil production....and considering that Joe's kid is up to his neck in Chinese energy companies and old Joe himself sniffs the hair of every member of the Chinese Politburo every chance he gets, that was probably his plan all along.

Probably went down something like this: "If you give me a 30% kickback in oil sales under the table, I will kill domestic oil production in North America to make sure your sales increase."

Would not surprise me...one...bit.

"Huge number of oil tankers heading for Chinese ports":
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
 

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Evidently the Chinese are going to pick up the slack in oil production....

There's usually a reason they say to follow the money, huh Wolseley? It's tragic how this country cannot follow through on certain investigations.
 
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"Huge number of oil tankers heading for Chinese ports":
I don't know how they are going to get past all the coal and iron ore freighters waiting off the coast of China. Apparently Australia's resources aren't good enough for them anymore.
 
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Evidently the Chinese are going to pick up the slack in oil production....and considering that Joe's kid is up to his neck in Chinese energy companies and old Joe himself sniffs the hair of every member of the Chinese Politburo every chance he gets, that was probably his plan all along.

Probably went down something like this: "If you give me a 30% kickback in oil sales under the table, I will kill domestic oil production in North America to make sure your sales increase."

Would not surprise me...one...bit.

"Huge number of oil tankers heading for Chinese ports":
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
I heard similar. That the oil will still be extracted but it will now be free to go to China. Rah rah for China. And if Hunter gets a kickback, well, rah rah too. It never really was about the environment, even if Biden gets to sell it as such.
 
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I don't know how they are going to get past all the coal and iron ore freighters waiting off the coast of China. Apparently Australia's resources aren't good enough for them anymore.
There is always Siberia. China could make the move to take over there some day too. The geo-politics gets fun.
 
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There is always Siberia. China could make the move to take over there some day too. The geo-politics gets fun.

China wants America. More room for her people.
 
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Well, total hegemony eventually. They are playing the long game.
That's the advantage of not having to worry about trivial things like getting re-elected every 4 years.
 
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Evidently the Chinese are going to pick up the slack in oil production....and considering that Joe's kid is up to his neck in Chinese energy companies and old Joe himself sniffs the hair of every member of the Chinese Politburo every chance he gets, that was probably his plan all along.

Probably went down something like this: "If you give me a 30% kickback in oil sales under the table, I will kill domestic oil production in North America to make sure your sales increase."

Would not surprise me...one...bit.

"Huge number of oil tankers heading for Chinese ports":
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?


except according to the January 2014 Keystone XL Project impact statement market analysis shows that the owner of the oil the Canadian firm TC Energy was contracting to sell three quarters of all oil and gas products moved through the pipeline to China meaning the keystone pipeline was having no impact on domestic gas and oil supplies much less any domestic oil production.
 
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Well, total hegemony eventually. They are playing the long game.

Yes, they are. They have a strategic plan for their country----while our Kongressional Klown Korps, on the other hand, diddles around with things like impeachment trials on a guy who isn't even in office any more. Brilliant. :rolleyes:
 
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Evidently the Chinese are going to pick up the slack in oil production....and considering that Joe's kid is up to his neck in Chinese energy companies and old Joe himself sniffs the hair of every member of the Chinese Politburo every chance he gets, that was probably his plan all along.

Probably went down something like this: "If you give me a 30% kickback in oil sales under the table, I will kill domestic oil production in North America to make sure your sales increase."

Would not surprise me...one...bit.

"Huge number of oil tankers heading for Chinese ports":
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The pipeline has been operating for years and will continue.
All he did was stop the expansion for now.
 
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Trucking the oil (instead of piping it) will benefit trucking jobs ?
You can put it on train cars too. That's what they do with the Bakken oil. And it has really tied up rail traffic, particularly all of the cars needed to move North Dakota wheat to Lake Superior to load on freighters.
 
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More costly ?
More chance of accidents in transit ?
Way more costly and way more risky than a pipeline. Moving it by rail is safer and cheaper than by truck but still more costly and riskier than a pipeline.

But it's cancelled now. The oil gets to go to China. Rah rah. Biden saved the environment.
 
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Way more costly and way more risky than a pipeline. Moving it by rail is safer and cheaper than by truck but still more costly and riskier than a pipeline.

But it's cancelled now. The oil gets to go to China. Rah rah. Biden saved the environment.

As someone who works in the environmental world, I'm personally happy that Biden takes a more aggressive stance against fossil fuels.

I think people would be surprised how much damage we sincerely are doing to the environment, and ourselves by association, through our use of fossil fuels.

People were talking about trucking oil above. Well, in truth, hundreds, or more likely thousands, of oil spills happen each month across the nation. And, these spills are costly. Costly to remediate, if not costly to groundwater supplies, if not costly to ultimately to our watersheds and everything that depends on them.

But it even goes even farther because, oil is just one fossil fuel. Coal ash has been a big deal with Donald Trump hiring a coal lobbyist to head the EPA. But every few years or so we keep having massive releases of coal ash to our public waters, streams and rivers etc. Which of course contains all sorts of hazardous compounds.

It's all a collective issue. It isn't just oil, it's a broader problem. It's oil, it's gas, it's coal, it's our air, our water, our soil. It's big industry and improper handling of toxic waste. It's just a big issue, and the pipeline is like a symbolic piece of the much larger battle underway.
 
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As someone who works in the environmental world, I'm personally happy that Biden takes a more aggressive stance against fossil fuels.

I think people would be surprised how much damage we sincerely are doing to the environment, and ourselves by association, through our use of fossil fuels.

People were talking about trucking oil above. Well, in truth, hundreds, or more likely thousands, of oil spills happen each month across the nation. And, these spills are costly. Costly to remediate, if not costly to groundwater supplies, if not costly to ultimately to our watersheds and everything that depends on them.

But it even goes even farther because, oil is just one fossil fuel. Coal ash has been a big deal with Donald Trump hiring a coal lobbyist to head the EPA. But every few years or so we keep having massive releases of coal ash to our public waters, streams and rivers etc. Which of course contains all sorts of hazardous compounds.

It's all a collective issue. It isn't just oil, it's a broader problem. It's oil, it's gas, it's coal, it's our air, our water, our soil. It's big industry and improper handling of toxic waste. It's just a big issue, and the pipeline is like a symbolic piece of the much larger battle underway.

Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill - Wikipedia

Here is one of the bigger releases that happened recently. There was so much waste released that it literally took out small houses like a tidal wave of hazardous waste going into public waterbodies.

But in truth, a lot of these massive basins of toxic waste are unlined and leach hazardous chemicals into groundwater that we drink, or they kill local plants and animals, or they collectively destroy water and soil quality of our country.

People enjoy going to wildwood beach and the outer banks in new Jersey and virginia, but if they really knew everything that was flowing out of the delaware and chesapeake bays around them, they'd probably second guess their beach experience.
 
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As someone who works in the environmental world, I'm personally happy that Biden takes a more aggressive stance against fossil fuels.

I think people would be surprised how much damage we sincerely are doing to the environment, and ourselves by association, through our use of fossil fuels.

People were talking about trucking oil above. Well, in truth, hundreds, or more likely thousands, of oil spills happen each month across the nation. And, these spills are costly. Costly to remediate, if not costly to groundwater supplies, if not costly to ultimately to our watersheds and everything that depends on them.

But it even goes even farther because, oil is just one fossil fuel. Coal ash has been a big deal with Donald Trump hiring a coal lobbyist to head the EPA. But every few years or so we keep having massive releases of coal ash to our public waters, streams and rivers etc. Which of course contains all sorts of hazardous compounds.

It's all a collective issue. It isn't just oil, it's a broader problem. It's oil, it's gas, it's coal, it's our air, our water, our soil. It's big industry and improper handling of toxic waste. It's just a big issue, and the pipeline is like a symbolic piece of the much larger battle underway.
Well, I'm sure if we destroy our economy and allow the Chinese (who have the worst record of environmental pollution in the history of the world) to take over and run everything, then that'll solve all those oil spill problems, won't it? :rolleyes:
 
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Well, I'm sure if we destroy our economy and allow the Chinese (who have the worst record of environmental pollution in the history of the world) to take over and run everything, then that'll solve all those oil spill problems, won't it? :rolleyes:

I personally think that the solution resides in renewables. Research and development and renewable job growth (get people do go build windmills and new hydro dams, new reactors, geothermal lines, hydrogen fuel cells etc.).

I know some people don't like to hear that, but if we invested even a small fraction of the time and money that we've invested into fossil fuels over the past 200 years, into developing green energies, I think it would put America on top. We've had lots of time to develop and fine tune fossil fuels, but renewables are still in their infancy in comparison to what they can and will eventually become.

In fact, renewables, in some cases, are now cheaper energies than oil, though oil is subsidized to a greater degree by our government, so that may not be as apparent.

What source of energy could ever truly compete with fusion or fission? Be it reactions in the sun or in our own reactors, or through wind put in motion by energy of these same reactions? Nothing. No fossil fuel could ever compete if we ever bothered to invest in harnessing it.

In my opinion, much like there was a stone age, and a bronze age, there is an oil age. And a day will come, perhaps in just a few generations where people will look back and will see fossil fuels as relatively primitive.

I also think we should get back into research and development of nuclear energy as well. Namely reactors that harness energy from nuclear waste. People are worried about what we will do with nuclear waste produced from reactors, but what if we could use that waste and spent rods as an energy itself?

The world, to be fair, is destined to end it's reliance on fossil fuels, given that they are a limited resources that (in the case of oil) may last perhaps another 100-150 years. And as we slowly march toward that finish line, those prices will keep going up, the middle east will become more and more engulfed in territorial wars. And I don't think America needs to be a part of this future (or arguably current) mess of middle eastern oil wars. And tension doesn't have to arise when oil finally runs out. It will just slowly grow more and more as supplies run down.

If we become independent of it, we can still influence where it goes, but we could act with independent rationality, rather than dependent desperation.
 
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