Weird dream, can anyone help me interpret?

[bshaw96]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but does it have to mean anything? I had a dream where there was some kind of a church service where they had an elaborate stage show, with puns, and actors, and it was called something like "Communion: Extended Dance Remix". And I might attribute more meaning to it, but frankly, all my dreams are about that weird, and I don't normally assign meaning to them... But then, maybe you're feeling led to seek meaning in it.


One thing I find interesting about this is that each of these homes would have had a different foundation. So, if we consider these by analogy to the parable of the house built on sand... Each house had a different foundation. I know that many people I know have different ways of finding faith in God; one person finds it in a church, another in the Bible, another in direct experience or prayer. So, if I were going to try to assign meaning, I'd wonder whether this had to do with peoples' faith being ripped from the foundation it was built for. For instance, if someone's faith is rooted in their belief that the Christian church (or possibly even the Catholic or Orthodox Church, say) is authoritative and teaches the truth, trying to take that away from them just so their house could be moved onto the lot for another church... Maybe that's not so good.

This is something I often wrestle with in debates among believers. If I convince someone of a theological position which is technically correct, but makes no salvific difference, at the expense of the thing that allowed him to hold his faith, I have done him no favors.

I once had a dream about a row of singing black labs. (as in the dogs)

 

[Heatherondo]

On, the contrary, I find it uplifting to know that I'm not the only one who has dreams dealing with fighting demons...

I thought I was the only weird one

I actually havnt met anyuone who has had those dreams either. For some reason, it seems alot of believers want to pretend that there is not any evil out there trying to undo us, weaken out faith, tempt us and hope we fall and fail.

Denying the satan wants us to fall and ignoring it does nothing but give demons/satan more ground to mess with you...

Yes God is good, God wins, God protects but we have free will and we can choose to do the thing that looks so good to us, and we think is harmless when it isnt.

I guess, with this particular gift from God, you are kinda like the spiritual police officer, you see the ugliest side of it all. SOme people just cant see it, and it may very well be they couldnt handle it if they did see it and God leaves them in their blindness, but i think in most cases denying it exists is being blinded by the enemy.

God makes some of us spiritual warriors.... some of us are meant for comforting and mercy.... some for teaching, etc....

I guess that makes me a spiritual lara croft?? lol


I am divided as to whether the demon dreams are attacks or training...
either way, i have learned about spiritual warfare in some ways from them.

 

[ZiSunka]

I just found out that mormon doctrine teaches that God is married, to lots of women. Maybe my dream was about mormons invading my ministry through donations and causing a lot of problems by moving pastors away from orthodox doctrine through these mormon books?

Could my dream be a warning to be careful about some books I have received?

 

[bshaw96]

I just found out that mormon doctrine teaches that God is married, to lots of women. Maybe my dream was about mormons invading my ministry through donations and causing a lot of problems by moving pastors away from orthodox doctrine through these mormon books?

Could my dream be a warning to be careful about some books I have received?

Maybe. I would suggest seeking God in prayer if you really wanna know what it meant. We can all interpret different things based on our individual/theological differences.

 

[MbiaJc]

Maybe it has something to do with all the division and strife in the church over doctrinal teachings? God wants to do a new thing today but our "old ways and mindsets" and religious arrogance is getting in the way?

I think it is the other way around God don't won't no new thing done, especially new doctrine. And that what being taught these days is new doctrine which has not got a foundation in the Word of Truth. It is man's doctrine. Jesus won't us to be doing what he taught us about 2000 yr. ago.

 

[bshaw96]

I think it is the other way around God don't won't no new thing done, especially new doctrine. And that what being taught these days is new doctrine which has not got a foundation in the Word of Truth. It is man's doctrine. Jesus won't us to be doing what he taught us about 2000 yr. ago.

Maybe I said it wrong. I don't mean he wants to change His Word, which is eternal, but wants His church to change. We are so (IMO) caught up in "religious thinking" and are not focusing on a personal, intimate relationship with Him in many cases. The world is dying and hurting and doesn't need religion, they need God. I definitely agree that the world has added a lot of it's own doctrine to God's word.

 

[JMandrell]

Are you feeling like your wife and older daughter aren't giving you the attention they used to or that you would like them to? Does your daughter have friends that you don't know, people she talks to that you have never seen?

That might explain your dream as much as the more frightening interpretation of you being a ghost that only your younger daughter can see.

My wife never gives me attention, but I took it as if I was dead and was a ghost. It really messed me up for a day or 2.

 

[ZiSunka]

Maybe. I would suggest seeking God in prayer if you really wanna know what it meant. We can all interpret different things based on our individual/theological differences.

Why would you think I haven't been prayerful about this??

I feel pretty certain that it was a warning to be careful of what books I receive and send out, lest I damage the faith of the communities that receive the books. I have already received JW and Christian Science books, but I was quick to spot those and got rid of them before they could end up in one of the pastor packs or library boxes. I think this dream was about being dilligent to be thoroughly sure that the books contain orthodox theology before I send them.

Thanks for your reminder to always be in prayer!

 

[bshaw96]

Why would you think I haven't been prayerful about this??

I feel pretty certain that it was a warning to be careful of what books I receive and send out, lest I damage the faith of the communities that receive the books. I have already received JW and Christian Science books, but I was quick to spot those and got rid of them before they could end up in one of the pastor packs or library boxes. I think this dream was about being dilligent to be thoroughly sure that the books contain orthodox theology before I send them.

Thanks for your reminder to always be in prayer!

That's always good to know

 

[MbiaJc]

Maybe I said it wrong. I don't mean he wants to change His Word, which is eternal, but wants His church to change. We are so (IMO) caught up in "religious thinking" and are not focusing on a personal, intimate relationship with Him in many cases. The world is dying and hurting and doesn't need religion, they need God. I definitely agree that the world has added a lot of it's own doctrine to God's word.

Yes the Church needs to return to her first love, which is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and to sound doctrine. A lot of the doctrine being taught today in the liberal Churches is unsound. Makes me wonder if we are not already in the middle of the great falling away?

 

[ZiSunka]

Lots of churches period have unsound doctrine. I just watched a program showing a service from a formerly conservative denomination, and I was shocked. The program started with a couple dozen young women going out on stage dressed more like hookers than people getting ready to worship God. Not one of them had a bra on and many of them were wearing tshirts so thin you could see right throw them. One had on a halter top. One had on a skirt so short it didn't cover her behind. They all started to dance as the organ played the Doxology. They gyrated like stippers, and I am not exaggerating. They stood in lines and wiggled their hips, then thrust them forward, then bent over and touched the ground (I don't have to tell you what that did to the short skirt!) all while the congregation sang praises to God. When it was over, the pastor said he was proud of the girls who had given such a great performance as an offering to God. Then he went about preaching on the tabernacle, in which he likened the Holy of Holies to the brain, the Holy place to the heart and the court to, you guessed it, the stomach. Sheesh. His big chart had a timeline of Biblical history, and Jesus was not the center of it, but a tiny picture down near the bottom. It was clear that Christ was a minor player in this man's scheme of things. I quit watching after that.

 

[Jeffrey A]

I dreamed I was walking through a neighborhood that was just being built, and instead of beautiful new homes, all the houses on the lots were dwellings that had been ripped off their foundations somewhere else and transported to this place. One home was an older craftman style home that needed to be updated, and one was a newer home that had crumbling walls at the bottom because it didn't have any foundation or slab to give it stability, and one was a brick home that had had an attached garage at its old location, but had been moved without the garage and just a stub of a wall was left sticking out where the garage had been. The streets were gravel and the lots were all muddy. I felt sorry for the people who owned the homes because none of them was safe to live in, they were suffering badly from being moved.

In the same dream, nice people came to my house to drop off boxes and boxes of Bibles, and they gave me a pictogram of the nativity. When I asked themt o explain it to me, they pointed to each picture and told me what it meant. When they got to a picture of a reclining woman, they said that was Mary, God's first wife. I was very alarmed and made a mental note to read each and every book they gave me so I could check for heretical ideas like that one.

So, what's this mean?

The "neighborhood just being built" is America. The houses "ripped off their foundations" are the various Christian groups that fled Europe and came to America. The different house 'styles' reflect the differences between these groups. (The house that needed to be "updated" represents the Old Order groups that judge others for not adhering to the old dress and ways. The "newer home" represents those new American groups that sprang up, thinking they have the only real truth. The brick home that left its garage at the previous place represents those groups who have lost touch with their old roots, and the groups from whom they arose.) The lack of foundation is simply Christian unity that comes from acknowledging that all who but believe that Jesus is the Messiah who died for our sins and was raised and ascended to heaven are our brothers and sisters in the body of Christ. The muddy conditions are the bickering and bad feelings between the factions of Christ's body over petty things and differences of practice or non-essential belief.

The "nice people" with the bibles are God's angels who whisper to God's children to love one another, despite our differences, and to encourage our standing on the Word of God for our faith and practice, and to accept those who also sincerely strive to. When they pointed out Mary, they indicated a hope that we can even accept Catholics as fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. When they declared that "Mary (is) God's first wife", they are referring to Mary as a Jew, representing Israel, from "whom is the Christ according to the flesh" (Romans 9:5), for she is the "woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars... (who) gave birth to a Son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations..." (Revelation 12:1-5). Israel, the Jews of Judaism, is the wife of the Father -- "I... saw you, and behold, you were at the time for love; so I spread my skirt over you and covered your nakedness; I also swore to you and entered into a (marriage) covenant with you so that you became (my wife)... (But you) have despised the oath by breaking my covenant. Nevertheless, I will remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you... when I have forgiven you for all that you have done" (Ezekiel 16:8,59-63).

Your alarm represents the struggle in your heart to even consider the possibility of calling Catholics "brothers and sisters in Christ" (let alone the struggle to consider Jews of Judaism as fellow heirs of the kingdom).

Jeffrey A

 

[Jeffrey A]

Maybe it has something to do with all the division and strife in the church over doctrinal teachings? God wants to do a new thing today but our "old ways and mindsets" and religious arrogance is getting in the way?

Yes. He wants us to stop looking down on Catholics, and to start accepting them as brothers and sisters in Christ; and if we can bear it, he wants us to realize that Jews of Judaism gain acceptance through their faith, just as we do, and just as their forefathers did. If we can't, then nevermind. He's not going to force the issue. We can continue to live in the mud. Our choice.

Jeffrey A

 

[ZiSunka]

Your alarm represents the struggle in your heart to even consider the possibility of calling Catholics "brothers and sisters in Christ" (let alone the struggle to consider Jews of Judaism as fellow heirs of the kingdom).

Boy are you wrong.

You may not know this, but my mother and many of my family members were/are catholic, even my beloved sister. Although I believe that catholicism is frought with errors and inconsistencies, I do believe that many catholics are my brothers and sisters in Christ. The second best presentation of the gospel I ever heard was by the priest at my grandmother's funeral. He didn't speak of purgatory or anything, he made it clear, he directly stated that my grandmother was enjoying heaven at that moment because she was saved by her faith in Jesus Christ. Other experiences that I won't go into tell me with absolute certainty that my mother is also in heaven with her.

Likewise Jews, I embrace completed Jews as my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I don't pretend to know whether or not uncompleted Jews are saved by virtue of their Jewishness. You also probably wouldn't know, but one of my great grandmothers was a Jew.

It's the errors and inconsistencies that I have a problem with in catholicism, not the people. Whoever has saving faith in Christ is my spiritual sibling, period.

So, your interpretation is interesting but wrong.

The term "God's first wife" is not orthodox even to catholicism. Mary is not considered God's wife, in catholic teachings. The only "Christian" faith that considers God to be married is Mormonism, which teaches that God marries women and girls who have never been married, because their beliefs require a woman to be married in order to achieve heaven. This is especially the point when they said, "God's first wife," because it would imply that God has more than one wife, thus excluding Mary, anyway. As it turns out, I was talking to one of my new neighbors who informed me that there is a mormon family living a block away and they have tried to give her mormon books on many occassions. So I do believe this dream was a forewarning from God to be careful.

So thanks again! But I am satisfied that the interpretation God gave me is correct.

 

[Jeffrey A]

Boy are you wrong. You may not know this, but my mother and many of my family members were/are catholic, even my beloved sister. Although I believe that catholicism is frought with errors and inconsistencies, I do believe that many catholics are my brothers and sisters in Christ. The second best presentation of the gospel I ever heard was by the priest at my grandmother's funeral. He didn't speak of purgatory or anything, he made it clear, he directly stated that my grandmother was enjoying heaven at that moment because she was saved by her faith in Jesus Christ. Other experiences that I won't go into tell me with absolute certainty that my mother is also in heaven with her.

How can I be wrong when my interpretation agrees with what you believe and have stated above? The dream and its interpretation is for the Body the Church, not just you personally. I'm sorry if I projected it as exclusive to you alone. That was clumsy of me. "One who speaks in a tongue (merely) edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the (whole) church" 1 Cor 14:4.

Likewise Jews, I embrace completed Jews as my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I don't pretend to know whether or not uncompleted Jews are saved by virtue of their Jewishness. You also probably wouldn't know, but one of my great grandmothers was a Jew.

Again, you confirm my interpretation by your affirmation of its message! Praise God! But certainly you recognize that many Christians believe Jews must accept Jesus as their "personal savior" in order to be "saved", don't you? And that they pummel the Jews with the gospel as if a club?

It's the errors and inconsistencies that I have a problem with in catholicism, not the people. Whoever has saving faith in Christ is my spiritual sibling, period.

Then you of all people are exactly the correct member of the body to whom the dream is given, for you already are living its interpretation. But "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues... All do not interpret, do they?... But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation" 1 Cor 12:28-30; 14:3.

So, your interpretation is interesting but wrong.

So, you disagree with the interpretation? You believe there is no division that causes strife in the Body of Christ in America, but that there is only a pervasive sense of love among the brethren of all flavors that overrides our differences? You disagree that many baptists hold onto the concept that the Roman Catholic Church is the harlot of Babylon, and its communicants on a wayward path? Just what exactly is it that you disagree with relative to my interpretation of your dream?

The term "God's first wife" is not orthodox even to catholicism. Mary is not considered God's wife, in catholic teachings.

But my interpretation declared that Mary is the representative mother of Jesus, born out of Israel in the flesh, and as such she represents Israel, which very much is considered "God's wife." Did you miss that part of my interpretation?

The only "Christian" faith that considers God to be married is Mormonism, which teaches that God marries women and girls who have never been married, because their beliefs require a woman to be married in order to achieve heaven. This is especially the point when they said, "God's first wife," because it would imply that God has more than one wife, thus excluding Mary, anyway. As it turns out, I was talking to one of my new neighbors who informed me that there is a mormon family living a block away and they have tried to give her mormon books on many occasions. So I do believe this dream was a forewarning from God to be careful.

But it is not true that the only "Christian" faith that considers God to be married is Mormonism! Any Christian who accepts the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) as God's Truth must recognize that God declares Israel to be his "wife"! -- "You will forget the shame of your youth, and the reproach of your widowhood you will remember no more. For your husband is your Maker, whose name is the LORD of hosts... For the LORD has called you, like a wife forsaken and grieved in spirit, even like a wife of one's youth when she is rejected... For a brief moment I forsook you, but with great compassion I will gather you... In an outburst of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you" Isaiah 54:4-8.

So thanks again! But I am satisfied that the interpretation God gave me is correct.

Then could you do as I have done, and give the true thing each symbolic image represents in your interpretation, for all our edification? If the "nice people" are "Mormons", why are they giving you stacks and stacks of Bibles? And if they are coming to teach you a wayward doctrine about unmarried girls marrying God, why did they point to Mary, the mother of Jesus, when she qualifies as a member of the True Wife of God, according to Isaiah the Prophet? How is that indicative of a doctrinal error? Where is the error in calling her the wife of God? She is! As a member of the collective nation of Israel!

Or else, where is the legitimacy in our claiming to be members of the Bride of Christ? -- "Now you are Christ's Body, and individually members of it" 1 Cor 12:27; "For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the Church... Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the Church, and gave himself up for her... that he might present to himself the Church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing... So husbands ought also to love their own wives... just as Christ also does the Church, because we are members of his body" Eph 5:23-30.

Besides, I've never heard of God giving the interpretation of a God-sent dream to the very same person he gave the dream to in the first place. But, maybe he is doing a new thing. It's possible.

Jeffrey A

 

[ZiSunka]

The dream wasn't given to you, it was given to me. I prayed and sought the interpretation of it and was given the interpretation I reported here. If you are unsatisfied with that, your argument is with the Holy Spirit who gave me the dream and the interpretation, not with me.

I searched catholic doctrine and could find no reference to her being God's wife, let alone God's first wife. I found references saying that it is wrong to consider her God's wife, but none affirming your interpretation. Furthermore, Mormonism doesn't teach that every unmarried woman is God's wife, but that every woman who dies unmarried is taken to be God's wife after her death so that she will not be lost and without a god-husband. Even the metaphors in our Bible of Israel being God's wife are not in the plural, they are always in the singular, one wife, not first wife. The hindu god krishna has many wives and the mormon god has many wives, but our God isn't married, except metaphorically to the nation of Israel and her spiritual descendants. Mary, in this case, cannot represent catholicism because it would be completely inconsistent with orthodox doctrine of that faith. It is completely consistent with the beliefs of mormonism though. And since a message from God would have to be consistent, the pictogram has to be of mormon origin and cannot be catholic.

As for the Bibles, the mormons use the KJV Bible as a supplement to their book of mormon, so they would be able to donate some to a Bible drive such as we conduct.

The houses off their foundations represent the churches we send books to around the world that would be knocked off their foundations of faith if they were to receive the unorthodox theology books and believe them to be true based on the fact that we, a trusted ministry, sent them. The mud all around the broken houses represents the bad theology, unable to support their faith in Christ and so mucky that they would have to struggle to get back on firm footing once they were mired in it.

The unfinished new neighborhood represents the booming church growth of these third world areas, growth that way exceeds the pastoral materials they have available to them, which is why we send them books.

The people bringing the books to my house indicates that we are not seeking them out to give us books, they are coming to us to donate them. We have gone to catholics to solicit materials before, so this is further confirmation that these people are not catholic. We would never ask mormons for pastoral books, but we have and do ask and receive them from catholics. The reference to "nice people" further points to the mormons. When they are evangelizing, have you EVER seen one that wasn't pleasant and smiling?

As for God not giving a dream and it's intepretation to the same person, that would be except for Joseph, right?

 

[Jeffrey A]

our God isn't married, except metaphorically to the nation of Israel

That is what I have already stated as the interpretation of that part of your dream: God is married to the Nation of Israel (metaphorically). Just as his son is married "metaphorically" to the Church.

Mary, in this case, cannot represent catholicism because it would be completely inconsistent with orthodox doctrine of that faith.

Mary certainly represents Catholicism, for they are the group who venerates her above all other saints. I never said they call her the "wife of God", I said that when the "nice person" called her that, he was at that moment referring to her, not as a Catholic, but as a Jewess. As representative of the Nation of Israel. That is what I said.

It is completely consistent with the beliefs of mormonism though. And since a message from God would have to be consistent, the pictogram has to be of mormon origin and cannot be catholic.

Mary as the "wife of God" is a reference to the Nation of Israel, not mormonism. She is the representative "Woman" of Revelation 12:1-6. Just as I've already stated.

As for the Bibles, the mormons use the KJV Bible as a supplement to their book of mormon, so they would be able to donate some to a Bible drive such as we conduct.

You did not say the "nice people" gave you any 'literature' or 'other' books besides Bibles. And yes, you do indeed get an ancillary personal fulfillment of this dream, in that you do indeed get a large quantity of Bibles to your ministry. But they are not given to you by Mormons.

The houses off their foundations represent the churches we send books to around the world that would be knocked off their foundations of faith if they were to receive the unorthodox theology books and believe them to be true based on the fact that we, a trusted ministry, sent them.

You did not say that you received any other literature or books from the nice people, other than Bibles. You said you received lots of Bibles from the "nice people." Bibles. That's what you said.

The mud all around the broken houses represents the bad theology, unable to support their faith in Christ and so mucky that they would have to struggle to get back on firm footing once they were mired in it.

All you got were Bibles. The nice people only gave you Bibles.

The unfinished new neighborhood represents the booming church growth of these third world areas, growth that way exceeds the pastoral materials they have available to them, which is why we send them books.

Why did you send them bad books, then? You didn't. And you haven't got any 'bad books.' You got and will get Bibles. Just like in your dream.

The people bringing the books to my house indicates that we are not seeking them out to give us books, they are coming to us to donate them.

Yes, you will receive many Bibles, in answer to your prayers, as delivered to you by nice people -- saints -- influenced by God's holy messengers, represented in the dream by the "nice people." The ancillary fulfillment of the ancillary personal interpretation of the dream for your benefit. But the greater general interpretation for the Body of Christ remains.

We have gone to catholics to solicit materials before, so this is further confirmation that these people are not catholic. We would never ask mormons for pastoral books, but we have and do ask and receive them from catholics. The reference to "nice people" further points to the mormons. When they are evangelizing, have you EVER seen one that wasn't pleasant and smiling?

So, in your dream, these pleasant, smiling "nice people" gave you literature or books OTHER THAN BIBLES? You said they only gave you Bibles. That is what you said. You mentioned no other books. Only Bibles.

As for God not giving a dream and it's intepretation to the same person, that would be except for Joseph, right?

I've re-read the accounts of Joseph in Genesis. No where do I read Joseph telling anyone a dream he had, and then offering an interpretation of that very same dream he had. His own two dreams, he merely relayed the dream as he saw it ... his brothers and his father assumed the interpretation themselves; Joseph did not interpret either dream for them. After those two dreams, Joseph does not dream again himself, but interprets the dreams only of others.

 

[mixster]

The dream means you either ate to much before going to bed or it has something to do with your past. We all have nutty dreams. I am always losing something in my dreams or cant get things right. These dreams mean nothing and I would not put any credence into any dreams.

 

[Jeffrey A]

The dream means you either ate too much before going to bed or it has something to do with your past. We all have nutty dreams. I am always losing something in my dreams or cant get things right. These dreams mean nothing and I would not put any credence into any dreams.

It is most certainly true that almost all dreams are merely of the kind you describe. But that is exactly why a dream such as the kind we are discussing stands out as different -- it is not of the normal kind. It stands apart from all normal kinds of dreams in that it seems to be projecting a symbolism that has some meaning, and when the dreamer awakes, not only do the events or images of the dream remain quite vivid, but the dreamer is also left with the distinct impression that the dream has a purpose and deeper meaning. They are almost shaken to their core with the dream, and it can be recited with clarity as to its progression and each image, as if each has purpose.

At least, that is what I have been told by the dreamers. I myself have never had a dream of this kind. OTOH, the symbols in their described succession take on an almost immediate recognition as to their meaning, for each dream of this type I've been told, at least so far.

I have given an ancillary 'personal' interpretation of the dream in question, so as to help witness to the validity of the main interpretation for the whole body. If this ancillary interpretation does not happen soon, then I guess you are absolutely correct... it was merely a spat of indigestion.

We shall see. Thanks very much for your skepticism. It is part of the process. It is true that dreams and their interpretations have about as much repute in our branch as tongues and prophecy. We all must tread carefully on this new ground.

But we must also be careful not to dismiss the "prophetic utterance" out of hand.

 

[mixster]

I would not act on a dream in any way, I dont care how real it seems. I do not buy into dreams or their interpretatations for any reason. The Bible says we can have dreams that are from God, but this dream should only verify what you have already been dealing with in your life from God and if didnt I would rebuke it.. In other words it would only be a confirmation . We have to be very careful about things like this and those so called prophets that are always telling folks what God said. Those dream interpreters you see on television are in my opinion pure balogne.