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It simply doesn't make sense that they'd become more irratible. Maybe not enough water with it, or probably, supplement stacking. But I mean, if I eat beef instead of chicken does my tempter rise? I douno, it's probably something else since Creatine is absolutely all-natural and found in high-protein foods.

It's not so much the time, as it is with how soon you do it after meals. When you do it depends on what you're going for:

after early morning meal of carbs- losing weight mass/ toning muscles

after lunch meal- gaining mostly muscle ONLY

after dinner meal (that's high on carbs)- gaining mass in general (good if you want to be a football player or whatever)

Most people will do it at night out convienience- who's home for that long during the day? Also, working out at night might not be as good because proteins will take about 8-12 hours to digest, perfect at about 2 or 3, but at 8pm you'll be awake before the protein monomers can be applied. Not that it won't work at all, just that the protein that you happen to eat after the workout at the time won't be applied.

For best results, eat proteins and water after workout, carbs before. All that carbohydrates are are simply saccharides. (Carbohydrates=hydrocarbons) Meaning that technically, sugars help too. Just ADD them to your food, like chocolate milk or whatever. Usually bodybuilders use aspartame or replacements to sugar because it takes a relatively high number of sugar saccharides to sweeten something. A pepsi 12 oz. might take 42 grams, while if aspartame is used instead, for the same sugar level it might take 5 or 6 grams. Aspartame will do damage to your brain, since it runs on glucose and aspartame chemically is a poor replacement for sugar. And so your brain isn't getting a proper diet with sugar replacements.

Generally, since sugars are the simplest carbs (the simplest actually- fructose, maltose, lactose, and *sucrose*) Try to look for complex carbs. They're the fuel of your workout. Simple sugars give you good energy for a short time/ complex give you good energy over a long period.Try to get both. Protein is like the brick you need AFTER the earthquake to rebuild the city.

All creatine does it pack water in the target muscle cells to expand them and give them stamina, ie keep them healthy and strong. Because of osmosis, if you stop taking creatine, you will lose only a SMALL amount. Probably not even noticeable. It's not like your muscles will shrink if you stop, but you may lose 1/100 or so of your size if you DEHYDRATE. Each person is born with X number of muslce cells. Working out doesn't give you more msucle cells, but hardens and expands the ones you already have. Creatine hydrates them too. Stop taking it, and nothing should hapen unless you stop drinking water too. Then, your body will drain the water from the muscles.

But you know what? Your body drains water from your muscles and shrinks them naturally when you dehydrate even if you DON'T take creatine. No matter what you lose water mass from your muscles. It's just that if you take it, keep well-hydrated, stop taking it, and keep well-hydrated, it'll be like nothing different except that you have extra mass.

Wether you take creatine or not, keep well-hydrated or your muscless will SLIGHTLY shrink. The fact is that most people aren't aware of that and so attack creatine on grounds that you might lose it. Well, you ALWAYS lose water mass whenever you dehydrate.

A note on fat cells too. We're all born with X number of adipose cells. If you get "fatter", you don't gain more adipose cells, but simply start stroring more lipids and fats and sometimes Vitamins such as K too.

Just thought you'd like to know. TTYL Jesusl oves you!

Personally, I'd rather be able to bench 300 and LOOK like I could bench 1000, then be able to bench a thousand and look like I could bench 300.
 
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I think the irratiblilty came with the increased testosterone. Creatine doesn't necesarily create testosterone, but your tes levels will be higher if you're lifting serious weight, which goes hand in hand with creatine.
 
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Your testosterone level has little or nothing to do with creatine itself. Like you said correctly, it has to do with the required higher levels needed for muscle mass gain resulting from working out. Creatine transports water faster than it would naturally.

Your testosterone levels will be higher if you DON'T take creatine too. There's no reason why adding water to cells will promotes irratability, something that finds its source in the medula oblongata of the brain (if you've watched the Waterboy LOL). I know that that might sound like something you think is right, but it's not anatomically or physiologically accurate. Just to be sure, I picked up a bottle I had myself to check. I didn't think there should be side effects (since the body utilizes it daily). Plus I studied it on a molecular and anatomical level, used it with no side effects, and start work in sports nutrition in a short time. There's a lot of anti-Creatine media out there, but that''s because people don't like the idea of water weight in muscles. Those people usually understand very little of physiology to understand that water gets absorbed by muscles thus expanding naturally anyways. That's why people out there are trying to attack it. But of people that actually study and take supplements, I've not heard a disclaimer yet, just advice for taking it correctly.

It's not that big a deal. If you don't want it, don't take it- I'm not throwing a sales pitch here. Working out will buff testosterone levels, causing possible irritability. Your tesosterone levels will rise anyways whether or not you work out, and water will be pushed into muscle cells when you work out anyways, whether or not you take advantage of creatine.

The only reason why I would consider not taking it is the cost. 15 bucks a bottle. And five pills a day. So if you take iklepac13's advice, there are advantages to that as well.

Whatever you choose to do, good luch with the work out! TTYL Jesus loves you!
 
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Posted by Xingyi Warrior - 24th July 2003 at 09:52 AM
"Blake, what are your goals? Do you want just to look buff or are you interested in strength?"

Mainly, I want to put on around 5-10 lbs on my upper body, for strength and would also like to tone my whole body.

"Your emphasis on the upper body is puzzling as if you were going for all around looks you should be more focused on a wholistic approach to body development."

I was a cross country runner/ soccer player in high school. So, as you can guess my lower body is porpotionately bigger than my upper body. When I run (trying to get back into the daily habit) I do it for atleast 30 minutes (usually +3 miles). The question I should of asked here is: Is it okay, for me, to not work out my lower body if I run 30 minutes everyday?

"Are you beginning your training to facilitate strength development for personal protection or prowess?"

I'm trying to treat my body as a temple, holy and acceptable to God. As well as to be as healthy(fit) and aesthetically pleasing as possible, which might pose to be a challenge.

"Weight training will make you look big and give you an amount of temporary usable power but for purposes such as striking it is irrelevent because true hitting force is governed by leverage, stability and body mechanics. In my experience the weakest hitters are always guys with large muscles. The greatest boxers of the early 20th century (when fisticuffs was making the transition to modern sport boxing) were often lanky, physically unimpressive (compared to the bodybuilders of today) but could hit hard enough to drop a horse. It all depends on what your end goals are."

I never really wanted to be able to knock a horse out in one punch. But, that is an accomplishment. Thank you for your time.

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Just throwing in a question about creatine: A friend told me that creatine makes soft muscle instead of hard muscle. Is it true?

Also, another question about working out: I'm currently working out 3 days a week (Mon, Wed, Fri). Should I do more than one lift for each target area (ex. chest, back, shoulders, abs, etc..) or is one sufficient for each area?
 
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Go onto Amazon or BarnesandNoble and look up Navy SEAL fitness, or Navy SEAL workout, or simply type in "calisthenics." You can get books from either one used, fairly cheap. You can also check out your local book store at home.

Thanks for your help.

No prob! :cool:
 
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Ok guys, I need a book that will give me a routine to follow. I looked at the Brawn books, but their ratings are bad, saying the books are poorly written and outdated. I would get a personal trainer, but that costs too much money. I have my own basic bench set-up at home, but I need something that will tell me how to use it to bulk up. Does anyone have any ideas?
 
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Tribe posted this link (www.exrx.net) a few pages back and its helped me tremendously. It shows proper streching, lifts, lifting techniques along with what muscle groups are used, which are targeted, and which stabalizes. It also has different essays over body building. And it still has more to offer. I must give Tribe a big thank you for the link, thank you Tribe. Hope it helps Caedmon.
 
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Caedmon said:
Ok guys, I need a book that will give me a routine to follow. I looked at the Brawn books, but their ratings are bad, saying the books are poorly written and outdated.
ha, thats a joke. brawn is one of the better books out there. it gives good advice for those of us who dont have the genetics and dont want to use the drugs to get big.
 
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:wave: IMO, from my hard experiece, the greatestfault is to over train. It is not just a matter of letting your muscles recover, you have to let your kidneys, pancreas, liver, & spleen recover. After a hard workout, it can be weeks before you body can support muscle growth.

By all means, during the summer, do a good hard program of calisthetics-as long as it is not every day. Squat thrusts are a fantastic overall body calisthetics, especially when done in sprinting bursts as opposed to endurence reps.

when you get back to the gym, forget the routine of the month in the bodybuilding magazines. All too often, they're the hook that sells the advertising which is the magazines real aim. They are also built around inefficient theories (if not false) of muscle physiology-especially abetted by steroids. Work on core, basic strength and bulk exercises (squat/leg press, deadlift, overhead press, pull down, tricep press, bicep curl, and crunches) AND NO MORE THAN THREE DAYS A WEEK! Preferably, allow at least two days of rest between weight sessions rather than the one of common gym wisdom.

After 2 months of basic strength building, borrow from the library a copy of _Power Factor Training_ by Peter Sisco, &John Little (Contributor). It's a radical yet thouroughly grounded in physiologcal science approch to high intensity weight training. It explodes very common myths about muscles (multitude of exercises, hyper dosing of protein, 4-5-6 day twice a day workouts, etc..) It's a great way of getting strong and spending far less time in the gym and doing useful things with the life God gave you

Hope this helps

-Robert
 
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