Weep Over Jerusalem?

[guuila]

Have I not heard you say, you are a monergist? Are you a pure monergist, or do you mix in synergism?

Uh huh. That means I believe grace is sufficient to bring about salvation from beginning to end, and that includes everything required therein like good works. What's the problem?

 

[guuila]

By your equation above, you equate good works with regeneration. I still can't see why you deny synergism.

No I don't. Regeneration causes good works. That does not mean regeneration equals good works. You might want to read more carefully.

 

[guuila]

Would you please explain?

The context has to do with the one time sacrifice of Jesus through which he perfected for all time those who are being sanctified, over against the Old Covenant sacrifies that weren't able to perfect anyone because they were offered over and over. Notice the writer says:

And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. (Hebrews 10:24-25 ESV)

Right after that, he says:

For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:26-31 ESV)

This is talking about folks who heard the truth and turned away. You're trying to use this to talk about Christians who continue struggling with sin. That's not at all what the writer was talking about. We're talking about true Christians and indwelling sin. The writer of Hebrews was talking about people who had a profession of faith and then turned their back on it.

 

[jdbear]

Hammster said,
So "they" in verse 11 refers to every single Jew?

Of course. Who stumbled and why?

 

[jdbear]

griff said,
So Rom. 11 trumps Matt. 7 huh?

They agree...as all scripture does.

 

[Hammster]

Of course. Who stumbled and why?

Every single one from Abraham to Paul himself?

 

[jdbear]

Hammster said,
Every single one from Abraham to Paul himself?

Abe and Paul didn't stumble, so you just answered your own question.

 

[Hammster]

Abe and Paul didn't stumble, so you just answered your own question.

So then it's not universal. Thanks.

 

[jdbear]

God forbid

 

[Arcoe]

Do you even know what the argument is between monergism and synergism?

That's why I asked if you are a pure monergist or one who mixes in synergism.

 

[Arcoe]

It sounds like you may be saying what I am saying but without having to appear as if you are saying what I am saying.

The place of tormment was prepared for the devil and his messengers whether those messengers be spirit beings or human beings.

Satan's messengers (humans) come as messengers of light. Perdition was created for them.

I think you mean it is prepared for mankind in general. But as Jesus stated, it is for the devil and those who do evil. It is those who do evil who put themselves in hell.

 

[Arcoe]

Did you see the part where he said that faith comes out if a regenerated soul?

I saw the part he equated regeneration with faith and good works. Do you equate these also?

 

[Arcoe]

Do you even know what the argument is between monergism and synergism?

Also, did you know if you put one tiny bit of synergism into monergism, you are no longer a monergist?

 

[Arcoe]

Amen brother! Well said!

Why is it that man wants to blame others (Adam) or other things (flesh, sin) for their sinning, instead of blaming themselves? That is purely human nature to blame our faults on someone/something else. Until one takes total blame for their shortcomings, repentance stands far away.

 

[Jack Terrence]

Why is it that man wants to blame others (Adam) or other things (flesh, sin) for their sinning, instead of blaming themselves?

Because the child of God knows that he does not want to sin. So why should he blame himself?

That is purely human nature to blame our faults on someone/something else. Until one takes total blame for their shortcomings, repentance stands far away

Okay, so Paul was setting a bad example for us when he blamed his sinning on the "law of sin which is in my members" and then disowned it as coming from himself?

Your conclusion that repentance stands far away is a non sequitur for Paul cried out "Who shall deliver me...? I thank my God through Jesus Christ our Lord!" This is true repentance! It is unlike the "rugged individualist" repentance you offer which would not cry out to God for help and depends upon self for deliverance. I have agonized and have wept because of my sin. Have you?

 

[Arcoe]

It puts at least half a dozen questions forward , how may a Christian murder still be a Christian ? and how is a Christian without eternal life ?

There are answers but it takes some untangling ............

Your first question has to do with a Christian not casting away transgressions, abstaining from wickedness, and putting to death the old man. Yes, you may keep your sins to yourself, in your heart, but it will only result in evil works and not good.

Your second question is simple. No matter if you call yourself a Christian or not, if you have hate residing within you, you do not possess eternal life (as John states). Jesus said in Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.

Jesus also said to cleanse first that which is within... (Matt 23:26).

Either you are going to cleanse your heart, cast away transgressions, lay aside the old man, or you will keep doing evil. It's very simple, but as it says in Hebrews 3 -

7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, and saw My works forty years."
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways.’

 

[Arcoe]

Because the child of God knows that he does not want to sin. So why should he blame himself?

He should blame himself for he is the guilty party. Not wanting to sin is great, but as long as you keep sin within your heart, you will be a prisoner to it. Paul says the one you choose to obey, you become its prisoner. If you keep sinning, you are not free from it.

Okay, so Paul was setting a bad example for us when he blamed his sinning on the "law of sin which is in my members" and then disowned it as coming from himself?

How can you separate your members from yourself? What your members do comes from you. Your members will not do anything you do not choose to do from your heart.

Your conclusion that repentance stands far away is a non sequitur for Paul cried out "Who shall deliver me...? I thank my God through Jesus Christ our Lord!" This is true repentance! It is unlike the "rugged individualist" repentance you offer which would not cry out to God for help and depends upon self for deliverance. I have agonized and have wept because of my sin. Have you?

All repentance is of the individual. Why do you assume I do not cry out to God and seek His help in repentance? Please do not assume, make light of, and carelessly make ridiculous statements about my personal beliefs and repentance. Thank you.

I have agonized and wept, and still do today. I have cried to God for mercy many times.

 

[AndOne]

Also, did you know if you put one tiny bit of synergism into monergism, you are no longer a monergist?

I don't think he is....

 

[Hammster]

Also, did you know if you put one tiny bit of synergism into monergism, you are no longer a monergist?

I don't think you understand what is meant by synergism and monergism. Your post only goes to give further confirmation.

 

[Hammster]

I saw the part he equated regeneration with faith and good works. Do you equate these also?

So you didn't read the whole post, but you think you know what he said. You should try again. Context, context, context.