Anti-Christ European We might only have 2 months left !!!

[stephen583]

It may somebody's idea who wrote a dictionary of what the word means, but the bible focus is upon the Second Coming of Jesus. as he spoke in Matthew 24.

Thirty verses into Matthew 24, and only one verse containing 42 words refers in general to the Second Coming. And you say the entire chapter of Matthew 24 is focused on the Second Coming ? Wrong. It's about the signs here on earth which herald the Second Coming of Christ. Matthew 24:3 explicitly states that. Like I said, the Second Coming is described in the Revelation, which you had to resort to for Scripture about the Second Coming.

Nor is the Bible in general focused on the Second Coming either. In order for that to be true, you would have to rip the entire Old Testament out of the Bible. Then you'd have to tear out most of the New Testament which deals with the ministry, passion, trial, crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Christ, some of the parables of Christ, and most of the teachings of the Apostles which also did not focus exclusively on the Second Coming either, but more frequently relate to specific warnings about maintaining the tenants of Christianity in the early Church, as they were imparted, and what the consequences would be if that were not to happen.

The Revelation is also primarily concerned with what happens to the world as a result of rejecting God and Christ. The warning appears in the second chapter at the opening of the Revelation.

"Therefore, remember how far you have fallen. Repent and go back to what you were doing at first. If you don't, I will come to you and remove your lamp stand from its' place-- unless you repent" (Revelation 2:5, NIV).

Do you seriously think no one in this forum has ever read a Bible before ?

 

[Douggg]

Thirty verses into Matthew 24, and only one verse containing 42 words refers in general to the Second Coming. And you say the entire chapter of Matthew 24 is focused on the Second Coming ? Wrong. It's about the signs here on earth which herald the Second Coming of Christ. Matthew 24:3 explicitly states that. Like I said, the Second Coming is described in the Revelation, which you had to resort to for Scripture about the Second Coming.

It is not the volume of verses - but the magnitude of the event, Jesus's Second Coming.

Go outside at night and look up at the sky, the blackness, the stars, the cosmos - visualize if you can, that being removed , leaving nothing but the third heaven visible with the throne of God, glorious beyond comprehension that it will be blinding to look at, and the multitude of angels, and the city there dwarfing the earth - then everything else in eschatology becomes secondary.

stephen, I don't think you have given consideration of the magnitude of the Second Coming.

 

[Douggg]

Nor is the Bible in general focused on the Second Coming either. In order for that to be true, you would have to rip the entire Old Testament out of the Bible. Then you'd have to tear out most of the New Testament which deals with the ministry, crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Christ, some of the parables of Christ, and most of the teachings of the Apostles which also did not focus exclusively on the Second Coming, but more frequently relate to specific warnings about maintaining the tenants of Christianity as they were imparted, and what the consequences would be if that were not to happen.

Do you seriously think no one in this forum has ever read a Bible before ?

stephen, you have gone off on a tangent. I was commenting on eschatology, what is it's primary concern and leading up to - the Second Coming.

 

[stephen583]

stephen, I don't think you have given consideration of the magnitude of the Second Coming.

Clearly I have given some thought though, as to the magnitude of not remembering how far we have fallen due to false doctrine and the consequences thereof, which is, as has been defined earlier, the primary concern of Eschatology.

 

[Riberra]

It is not the volume of verses - but the magnitude of the event, Jesus's Second Coming.

Go outside at night and look up at the sky, the blackness, the stars, the cosmos - visualize if you can, that being removed , leaving nothing but the third heaven visible with the throne of God, glorious beyond comprehension that it will be blinding to look at, and the multitude of angels, and the city there dwarfing the earth - then everything else in eschatology becomes secondary.

stephen, I don't think you have given consideration of the magnitude of the Second Coming.

There is no Coming of Jesus at the 6th seal...If they litterally see Him sitting on His Throne in Heaven... Think about it.

 

[Riberra]

Riberra,

People aren't being destroy for lack of knowledge. You're potentially confusing other readers. That's not the correct interpretation of Hosea 4:6. It's addressing the Israelites being destroyed for not addressing God's laws. They don't know Him. They rejected God and His laws and thus God in return rejects their sinful nature.

The whole chapter of Hosea 4 is about not knowing (acknowledging) God and His laws. The very first verse alone mentions this.
New Living Translation
My people are being destroyed because they don't know me. Since you priests refuse to know me, I refuse to recognize you as my priests. Since you have forgotten the laws of your God, I will forget to bless your children.

New International Version
Hear the word of the LORD, you Israelites, because the LORD has a charge to bring against you who live in the land: "There is no faithfulness, no love, no acknowledgment of God in the land.

That is true that Hosea 4:6 was addressed at the Israelites and it also fit perfectly with the Jews living in the actual modern State of Israel.

The insiduous "destruction" of the Christian faith by lack of knowledge is another matter....for example Christians groups who support homosexuals is totally in opposition with God's Laws.

 

[Douggg]

There is no Coming of Jesus at the 6th seal...If they litterally see Him sitting on His Throne in Heaven... Think about it.

Riberra, in Revelation 6, right at the end of the 7 years (see below in blue), with 45 days left, the heavens will part, the cosmos removed, and the world will see Jesus before the throne of God. It is part of his Second Coming.

The kings of the earth, the beast, the false prophet, Satan, the fallen angels are given 45 to prepare to make war on Jesus. They assemble their armies in Revelation 16 at Armageddon.

In Revelation 19, at the end of the 45 days, on day 2520, Jesus descends down to earth, with his saints, and he executes those armies who try to stop his Return to rule over the world.

The structure of Revelation 6-20 is easy, if one realizes it is built on the 70th week and the second half of the 70th week for the most part (in blue below). Know what you are reading about.

Revealing of the seven years the seals, seals 1-6 chapter 6

Revealing of the trumpet judgments, second half of the seven years chapter 7, chapter 8, chapter 9

Revealing of the seven years according to the little book chapter 10, chapter 11

Revealing of the seven years relevant to Israel chapter 12

Revealing of the second half of the seven years after the two witnesses are gone chapter 13, chapter 14

Revealing of the bowls of wrath during the second half of the seven years chapter 15, chapter 16

Revealing of the woman and the beast, and the mystery of the heads and horns chapter 17

Revealing of the judgement on Babylon the great chapter 18

Revealing of the Lord Jesus Christ's return to earth. chapter 19, chapter 20

 

[Riberra]

Riberra, in Revelation 6, right at the end of the 7 years (see below in blue), with 45 days left, the heavens will part, the cosmos removed, and the world will see Jesus before the throne of God. It is part of his Second Coming.

In your interpretation you have the opening of the 6 Th Seal (Revelation 6:12-17) happening AFTER the 7 trumpets and the 7 bolws/vials of the wrath of God...this is very unlikely.

the cosmos removed

As for the New Heaven and the New Earth we know that this will happen only after the Great White Throne Judgement ..thus after the Millennium.
Revelation 21

But who knows maybe the 6 th seal will really be the end if we litterally interpret it...rather than John seeing the reaction of peoples really terrorised .

 

[Douggg]

In your interpretation you have the opening of the 6 Th Seal (Revelation 6:12-17) happening AFTER the 7 trumpets and the 7 bolws/vials of the wrath of God...this is very unlikely.

Of course the sixth seal event takes place after the 7 trumpets and 6 of the bowls of wrath. It seems unlikely to you because you are not understanding what you are reading from the standpoint of how Revelation 6-20 is structured.

Revealing of the seven years the seals, seals 1-6 chapter 6

Chapter 6 is an overview of the 7 years. It is not saying everything that takes place in the seven years. But it is an overview. The big picture.

Revealing of the seven years the seals, seals 1-6 chapter 6

Revealing of the trumpet judgments, second half of the seven years chapter 7, chapter 8, chapter 9

Revealing of the seven years according to the little book chapter 10, chapter 11

Revealing of the seven years relevant to Israel chapter 12

Revealing of the second half of the seven years after the two witnesses are gone chapter 13, chapter 14

Revealing of the bowls of wrath during the second half of the seven years chapter 15, chapter 16

Revealing of the woman and the beast, and the mystery of the heads and horns chapter 17

Revealing of the judgement on Babylon the great chapter 18

Revealing of the Lord Jesus Christ's return to earth. chapter 19, chapter 20

 

[Riberra]

Of course the sixth seal event takes place after the 7 trumpets and 6 of the bowls of wrath. It seems unlikely to you because you are not understanding what you are reading from the standpoint of how Revelation 6-20 is structured.

Revealing of the seven years the seals, seals 1-6 chapter 6

Chapter 6 is an overview of the 7 years. It is not saying everything that takes place in the seven years. But it is an overview. The big picture.

I understand what you mean... but that is wrong.Each seals represent events that will happen before the sounding of the 7 trumpets .

Opening of The first seal (Revelation 6:1-2)-The rider on the white horse- ...is not about the antichrist that will take the world over by imposing his mark during the last 42 months of the tribulation mentionned in Revelation 13

 

[tatteredsoul]

Branham prophesied a woman will become US President and then destruction !
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Putin said : If Hillary becomes president then war !
[youtube]

This video has undoubtedly deciphered freemason secret number 322 and 69 !!!
The deciphered numbers shows that WW3 shall break in Nov 26 2016 and on May 2017 nuclear exchanges !!!
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5/23/2017 = 23/5/2017 (U-235)

Hillary might be elected in November 2016 !
We only have less than 2 months !!!

Actually the Germans should be told to stock food and water for 10 months, but that will create panic so they make it 10 days for people to "understand by themselves and prepare"

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With 60 millions immigrants over Europe and no more bread for them in the war imagine what will happen.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

-_-'

 

[Baby Cottontail]

Branham lived from April 6, 1909 – December 24, 1965

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Branham had some serious theological issues, and can therefore be considered a false prophet, regardless of whether or not what he says comes true.

By the end of his life, he believed that pyramids held special powers. (It seems like his beliefs lined up more with occult beliefs than Christianity). Another thing, he believed that he could only heal people if his "angel" allowed it. Several Christians attended his healing services and prayed to God that if Branham's healing power was not from Him, that God would hinder it. Immediately after the prayer, Branham said that there was a "disturbing power here, and that he could not heal."

Branham also taught the Manifest Sons of God/dominionism theology -- lots of false stuff. He is not credible as a Christian prophet.

 

[Douggg]

I understand what you mean... but that is wrong.Each seals represent events that will happen before the sounding of the 7 trumpets .

Opening of The first seal (Revelation 6:1-2)-The rider on the white horse- ...is not about the antichrist that will take the world over by imposing his mark during the last 42 months of the tribulation mentionned in Revelation 13

The six seals cover the 7 years. The trumpet judgements are in the second half of the seven years.

The first seal is at the very start of the seven years, as the person has been given a crown, made the King of Israel the Antichrist. The red horse, the black horse, the pales horse are in the second half of the seven years after the person is no longer the Antichrist, the King of Isreal, but has become the beast which covers the 42 months second half. At the end of the 42 months second half, the end of the 7 years, the events of the sixth seal take place.

The seven years:
white horse rider - the person is given a crown, made the King of Israel, the seven years begin.
red horse rider - the person has become the beast, the second half of the seven years, the great tribulation begins
black horse rider - the person is the beast, the second half of the seven years
pale horse rider - the person is the beast, the second half of the seven years
events of sixth seal - at the end of the second half of the seven years, which is also the end of the seven years.

The trumpets take place during the second half of the seven years -. chapter 7, chapter 8 , chapter 9. Chapter 7 starts off sealing the 144,000 before any hurt is done to the earth. The first four trumpets involve hurt to the earth. The last three trumpets involve the three woes.

After the 144,000 are sealed, the vision of the multitude in heaven martyred during the second half, and them who die by the judgments on the earth, who have become Christians during the second half. In Chapter 8 and Chapter 9, the trumpets are detailed with trumpet 6 being near the end of the 7 years.

Then there is the vision of the 7 years again, starting with the angel who has the little book in Chapter 10. In Chapter 11, the two witnesses testify in the first 1260 days. After they are killed, the beast's army occupies Jerusalem for the second half, the 42 months. Right after the two witnesses are killed and ascend, the seventh trumpet signifies the process of God taking back the nations from Satan's influence. First step of the process is Satan cast down, the third woe... in the next chapter - chapter 12.

Chapter 12 is the seven years again, but relevant to Israel... the woman throughout the chapter. The first half of the 7 years is 12:6, the 1260 days. The second half of the seven years is the time, times, half times in 12:14.

Chapter 13 and 14, are after Satan has been cast down and are the second half time of the beast's rule, after the two witnesses are gone, and are rejoicing in heaven with the rest of the saints there.

Chapter 15 and 16, are about the second half, specifically about the 7 vials of wrath.

That is the synopsis of how chapters 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, cover the 7 years, and the second half of the seven years.

 

[Riberra]

The six seals cover the 7 years. The trumpet judgements are in the second half of the seven years.

The Book of Revelation as a whole covers a far larger aspect than only the 7 years ...
It reveal the majors events happening on the Earth since Jesus have ascended to Heaven until His Coming in Glory to establish His kingdom on the Earth...

We can see through historical records that Seal 1 to Seal 5 have been opened and still in action today.
Revelation 6
Seal 1: Pertain to Jesus and the Gospel being preached around all the World ... Jesus will return on a WHITE Horse as King of Kings to judge and to make war Revelation 19:11-16.

Seal 2: Is about the wars who have plagued the world since Jesus have ascended to Heaven

Seal 3: Is about the famines who have plagued the Earth since Jesus have ascended to Heaven.

Seal 4: Is about WW1 and WW2 who have affected the whole European continent .Look on a World map and you will see that Europe cover about 1/4 of the Surface of the Earth.

Seal 5: Is about the Early Christians martyrs who have died because of their testimony of Jesus and the other martyrs who will grow their rank years after years.. since about 2,000 years....and continue -this is what is occuring right now in Muslim Countries... every weeks new Christians martyrs.

The 6 Th seal great worldwide Earthquake (Revelation 6:12 who will reset our civilization and will lead us to the beginning of the Tribulation and the sounding of the first trumpets (Revelation 8) have obviously not happened yet...

-Take note that the sealing of the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes of Israel (Revelation 7)happen after the Great worldwide Earthquake and is still part of the 6Th seal

-After the sealing of the 144,000 the 7th seal will be opened (Revelation 8)and the First Trumpet plague will begin..

edited typos.

 

[Douggg]

The Book of Revelation as a whole covers a far larger aspect than only the 7 years ...
It reveal the majors events happening on the Earth since Jesus have ascended to Heaven until His Coming in Glory to establish His kingdom on the Earth...

We can see through historical records that Seal 1 to Seal 5 have been opened and still in action today.
Revelation 6
Seal 1: Pertain to Jesus and the Gospel being preached around all the World ... Jesus will return on a WHITE Horse as King of Kings to judge and to make war Revelation 19:11-16.

Seal 2: Is about the wars who have plagued the world since Jesus have ascended to Heaven

Seal 3: Is about the famines who have plagued the Earth since Jesus have ascended to Heaven.

Seal 4: Is about WW1 and WW2 who have affected the whole European continent .Look on a World map and you will see that Europe cover about 1/4 of the Surface of the Earth.

Seal 5: Is about the Early Christians martyrs who have died because of their testimony of Jesus and the other martyrs who will grow their rank years after years.. since about 2,000 years....and continue -this is what is occuring right now in Muslim Countries... every weeks new Christians martyrs.

The 6 Th seal great worldwide Earthquake (Revelation 6:12 who will reset our civilization and will lead us to the beginning of the Tribulation and the sounding of the first trumpets (Revelation 8) have obviously not happened yet...

-Take note that the sealing of the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes of Israel (Revelation 7)happen after the Great worldwide Earthquake and is still part of the 6Th seal

-After the sealing of the 144,000 the 7th seal will be opened (Revelation 8)and the First Trumpet plague will begin..

edited typos.

You might as well be saying the seals mean "nothing".

My comment on your interpretations:
The gospel spread around the world to all nations - that was already given back at the time of the resurrection by Jesus.
There will be wars - wow! what a revelation since there have been wars all the way since the beginning of man's history.
There will be famines - wow! another surprise. There have been famines since the beginning of man's history.
WW1 and WW2 predicted - wow! Nostradamus validated.
6th seal a great worldwide earthquake - really? Your bible doesn't say anything about the cosmos being removed?

Your interpretations make the seals - meaningless.

 

[Riberra]

You might as well be saying the seals mean "nothing".

My comment on your interpretations:
The gospel spread around the world to all nations - that was already given back at the time of the resurrection by Jesus.
There will be wars - wow! what a revelation since there have been wars all the way since the beginning of man's history.
There will be famines - wow! another surprise. There have been famines since the beginning of man's history.

Seal 2 ,Seal 3, Seal 4,Seal 5 relate to the beginning of the sorrows described in Matthew 24:3-8...
Matthew 24
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

WW1 and WW2 predicted - wow! Nostradamus validated.

As predicted in Revelation 6:8 at the opening of the 4th seal--1/4 of the Earth(the whole European continent have been affected during W W 2 [the worst war in Human History] ...The 4th seal may include W W 1 .

6th seal a great worldwide earthquake - really? Your bible doesn't say anything about the cosmos being removed?

You really believe that STARS the size of our sun will falls on the Earth at the 6th seal ?

Your interpretations make the seals - meaningless.

You make the seals as being only an overview of what is written in the scroll...rather than each Seal pertaining to their own set of events...i have demonstrated that Seal 2,Seal 3,Seal 4 and Seal 5 correspond to the beginning of the sorrows mentionned by Jesus in Matthew 24:3-8

 

[Douggg]

You make the seals as being only an overview of what is written in the scroll...rather than each Seal pertaining to their own set of events...i have demonstrated that Seal 2,Seal 3,Seal 4 and Seal 5 correspond to the beginning of the sorrows mentionned by Jesus in Matthew 24:3-8

Not "only" an overview. But they are an overview because they don't delineate why the wars, why the scarcity of food, why the famine, why the killing by the beast of the field. Seals 1-6 show the beginning and the finsh of the 70th week.

The beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24:3-8 were already revealed in that chapter, they were not sealed. They were not the end and Jesus's return.

There is nothing in Matthew 24 mentioning the 7 years, the 1260 days, the time, times, half times. Revelation 6-20 is about the end and Jesus's return. Which is why John in heaven cried when no-one was worthy to break the seals - until Jesus came forth out from God do it.

 

[Riberra]

Not "only" an overview. But they are an overview because they don't delineate why the wars, why the scarcity of food, why the famine, why the killing by the beast of the field. Seals 1-6 show the beginning and the finsh of the 70th week.

The beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24:3-8 were already revealed in that chapter, they were not sealed. They were not the end and Jesus's return.
There is nothing in Matthew 24 mentioning the 7 years, the 1260 days, the time, times, half times. Revelation 6-20 is about the end and Jesus's return. Which is why John in heaven cried when no-one was worthy to break the seals - until Jesus came forth out from God do it.

I have not said that there is something in Matthew 24 providing details about the 7 years.
I have said that Seal 2 to Seal 5 correspond to the beginning of the sorrows mentioned in Matthew 24:3-8

You believe that the 7 Seals correspond to what will happen during the 7 Years of the tribulation ,you are wrong.
The 7 Seals correspond to events who precede the Great tribulation .

As i have demostrated Seal 1 to Seal 5 have been opened and their effects are in the history record and still in effect today[Christians Martyrs ...Wars and rumors of wars If Hilary Clinton is elected that will be war -Pountin-

When the 6Th Seal will be opened(Revelation 6:9-17) we will be really close to the beginning of the 7 years of the tribulation as a matter of hours after the Great worldwide eartquake and the scary sings in the sky ... as soon as the 144,000 will be sealed (Revelation 7)...then 7 Th seal will be broken (Revelation 8)

The 7 seals must be broken -then- the events that are described in the scroll will begin, as demonstrated by Revelation 8.

Revelation 8 through Revelation 19 covers what will happen during the 7 years of the tribulation -in the order than John saw it in the vision.-

 

[Another Lazarus]

The six seals cover the 7 years. The trumpet judgements are in the second half of the seven years.

Imho u're wrong. the 2 Witness shall be killed after 3.5 years of tribulation by the beast from bottomless pit
and the beast from bottomless pit is released by the 5th angel.

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev 7:11 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

So the 5th angel shall sound at the first 3.5 years of tribulation.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[stephen583]

The Book of Revelation as a whole covers a far larger aspect than only the 7 years ...
It reveal the majors events happening on the Earth since Jesus have ascended to Heaven until His Coming in Glory to establish His kingdom on the Earth...

Some of the prophecies of the Revelation occur during the Tribulation Period, (probably true because the way they are written). All of the prophecies of the Revelation occurring during the Tribulation Period is nothing more than conjecture. The Scripture doesn't say that explicitly.

Very true Riberra. Many Bible scholars are dubious of the claim the Revelation only encompasses the Seven Year Tribulation Period. In fact, Matthew 24 which corresponds with some of the events described in the Revelation refers to Apocalyptic events taking place during a final generation, (Matthew 24:34). Depending on what biblical definition you choose to settle on, a generation could be 40 years, 70 years, or until all the people associated with an historic event die from old age. The word generation is used variously throughout the Bible to denote all three definitions.

Most people fail to realize the Apocalypse itself has been going on since Christ was resurrected and ascended into heaven. The word Apocalypse is literally defined as "a time of revealing".. which would naturally also include the End of the World, but would not exclusively be limited to that time frame alone. Glad to hear someone else is aware of the distinction.

This is where Partial Preterism and Historicism (which are recognized as valid doctrines according to CF rules) comes into Eschatology and a different interpretation of End Time Bible Prophecy. So everyone can beat their chests and holler all they want to about your view being wrong, and all their noise just amounts to a different eschatological theory that isn't any more relevant than yours is. Who says so ? Many other Christians and Bible scholars, that's who.