We are Not to Speak Against the Torah

[HARK!]

Many readers would like to hear your answer, should I ask it on the other thread?

I presented a study on this chapter here:

Paul on the Law: Galatians 3

I'd be happy to discuss that topic with you in thread that I created for the purpose of discussing that subject.

 

[HARK!]

At the Cross, when the temple vail was rent from top to bottom, God desecrated His Old Covenant temple marking the end of the authority of the Law and replacing it with the authority of His Son.

The Law was not dependent on the Temple. The Law preceded the Temple. The law is the word of YHWH. Yahshua is the word of YHWH. In the beginning was the word.

Yahshua said that nothing has passed from the law.

He also said this:

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

Who should I believe?

 

[HARK!]

His work for salvation was finished on the cross ....

So he's not working in us anymore?

It's all about Him.

Then why does he give all glory to YHWH?

 

[HARK!]

Our part is to believe ....

(CLV) Jn 5:46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he writes concerning Me.

(CLV) Jn 5:47
Now if you are not believing his writings, how shall you be believing My declarations?"

 

[Carl Emerson]

The Law was not dependent on the Temple. The Law preceded the Temple. The law is the word of YHWH. Yahshua is the word of YHWH. In the beginning was the word.

Yahshua said that nothing has passed from the law.

He also said this:

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

Who should I believe?

I did not speak against the Law or annul anything.

I mentioned the desecration of the temple.

The authority of those who were charged with maintaining the temple and overseeing the administration of the Law had their authority removed and this was replaced by the authority of Jesus Himself.

Sorry if I didn't make this clear enough.

 

[HARK!]

Jesus Christ of Nazareth made it possible for us to carry out His law of Love.

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

He fulfilled the Old Covenant and made a New Covenant.
This is what Paul spoke of.
Blessings

Can you show me this, verbatim, in scripture?

 

[Carl Emerson]

I am not asking for a study, just a simple answer to a question at the heart of the discussion here.

What issue Paul was trying to correct when he wrote the stern warning in Galatians 3 ???
With such strong language he was addressing a very serious problem - what was it?
What were the believers doing that evoked such stern words and what does it follow that we need to avoid ???

I have asked this question on the Galations 3 thread here...

Paul on the Law: Galatians 3

 

[Maria Billingsley]

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,



Can you show me this, verbatim, in scripture?

Jeremiah 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[Acts29]

Jeremiah 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Notice carefully. This new covenant will come to pass after the covenant made with the fathers is broken. The covenant is broken after Israel goes a-whoring after other gods, which they will do in the time of the end. (There are many prophecies about this by most of the prophets.) None of the prophecies about this divorce took place 2000 years ago. They may have wicked in many ways back then, but they weren't worshipping idols.

Also, this new covenant is given to ALL people, from the least to the greatest. No one will need to teach anyone else. They will ALL know Him. That was certainly not the case 2000 years ago.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I guess there are different views.

Personally I believe the Old covenant was broken when God ripped the temple curtain from the top leaving no doubt about indicating that the temple period was over and the Kingdom was established in Christ in hearts.

All Israel is then is all believers...

Jer 31
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This is confirmed in 1 John 2...

as for you, the anointing which you received from Him remains in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you remain in Him.

 

[eleos1954]

So he's not working in us anymore?



Then why does he give all glory to YHWH?

He is the way to salvation and yes .... those believing in Him are being sanctified by the Holy Spirit ... salvation is available as a gift (already there/available) ... but one must accept the gift ... and then through the Holy Spirit our thinking starts changing ... and this continues throughout our earthly lives.

Jesus is YHWH

God in the Old Testament

I AM (Exodus 3:14–15; Isaiah 48:12)
The Shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
The Light (Psalm 27:1)
The Rock (Psalm 18:2)
Ruler of all (Isaiah 9:6)
Judge of all nations (Joel 3:12)
The Bridegroom (Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:16)
God’s Word never passes away (Isaiah 40:8)
The Sower (Jeremiah 31:27; Ezra 34:9)
First and the Last (Isaiah 48:12)

Jesus’ Reference to Himself

I AM (John 8:58)
The Shepherd (John 10:11)
The Light (John 8:12)
The Rock (Matthew 7:24)
Ruler of all (Matthew 28:18)
Judge of all (John 5:22)
The Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1)
Jesus’ words never pass away (Mark 13:31)
The Sower (Matthew 13:3–9)
First and the Last (Revelation 1:17–18)

The Spirit magnifies the son, Jesus magnifies the Father. The father glorifies the son and Jesus glorifies the father.

John 8:29
King James Bible
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

Glory is mutually experienced Within the Trinity, they are one ... one God.

 

[eleos1954]

(CLV) Jn 5:46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he writes concerning Me.

(CLV) Jn 5:47
Now if you are not believing his writings, how shall you be believing My declarations?"

ummmm ... yeah .... that's the point .... the entire Word (from beginning to end) is about Jesus

 

[HARK!]

Jesus is YHWH

Then what is his Father's name? Why did it change?

Exodus 3

15 Elohim, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' YHWH, the Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name FOREVER, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.-

Glory is mutually experienced Within the Trinity, they are one ... one God.

The Father, and the Son, and the Ruach HaKodesh are one, just as a husband and wife are one. They still have their own identities.

Can you explain this verse to me?

I Timothy 2:5 KJV

5 For there is one God, and one mediator BETWEEN God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus

How about this one?:

John 17:3 KJV

....And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

How about this one:

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 (CLV)

" 4 Then, concerning the feeding on the idol sacrifices: We are aware that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God except One." 5 For even if so be that there are those being termed gods, whether in heaven or on earth, even as there are many gods and many lords, 6 nevertheless for us there is one God, the Father, out of Whom all is, and we for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom all is, and we through Him."

..or maybe this one:

John 20:17King James Version (KJV)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Here are a few more:

Romans 15:6 (English-NIV)
so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:3 (English-NIV)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,

2 Corinthians 11:31 (English-NIV)
The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying.

Ephesians 1:3 (English-NIV)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

Colossians 1:3 (English-NIV)
We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

1 Peter 1:3 (English-NIV)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Ephesians 1:17 (English-NIV)
I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

Revelation 3:12 (KJV)

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Ephesians 4:4-6

4 there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.


Matthew 22:36-38, King James Version (KJV)
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment.

 

[Bob S]

Hark, I totally agree, we are not to speak against the Law of Moses. That, of course, doesn't mean that we are supposed to live under those laws. Those laws were given to the 12 tribes of Israel and no one else.

What makes you believe that somehow we are under those laws. Was not the curtain separating the Holy from the Most Holy torn at Jesus death indicating an end to the sacrificial system? Didn't Torah include that system? Why did Jesus apostles do away with circumcision? Wasn't that command part of Torah. Why did Paul call the 10 commandments temporary and speak of them in past tense? Weren't they part of Torah. Seems like the New Testament pretty much decimates much of Torah.

 

[HARK!]

Hark, I totally agree, we are not to speak against the Law of Moses. That, of course, doesn't mean that we are supposed to live under those laws. Those laws were given to the 12 tribes of Israel and no one else.

Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

YHWH's renewed covenant is with Israel.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws (Torah) to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

What makes you believe that somehow we are under those laws.

Those who are under the law; are under the curses of the law, for their transgressions of the law. Those who are in Yahshua sustain the law.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

Was not the curtain separating the Holy from the Most Holy torn at Jesus death indicating an end to the sacrificial system?

Can you prove that the curtain being torn indicated the end of the "sacrificial system?"

I have my own speculations as to what it indicated.

Didn't Torah include that system?

The end of sacrifices? How do you define sacrifice?

I began an in-depth study on this subject, that breaks through the mistranslations and misconceptions on this subject.

Can you explain why there will be sacrifices in the kingdom to come?

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices (זבח) They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

Why did Jesus apostles do away with circumcision?

They didn't.

You can find a brief study on this subject here: Circumcision

Why did Paul call the 10 commandments temporary and speak of them in past tense?

I'm not familiar with this. Can you show me this in scripture?

Yahshua said the law stands forever.

Weren't they part of Torah. Seems like the New Testament pretty much decimates much of Torah.

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

 

[eleos1954]

Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

YHWH's renewed covenant is with Israel.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws (Torah) to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.



Those who are under the law; are under the curses of the law, for their transgressions of the law. Those who are in Yahshua sustain the law.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.



Can you prove that the curtain being torn indicated the end of the "sacrificial system?"

I have my own speculations as to what it indicated.



The end of sacrifices? How do you define sacrifice?

I began an in-depth study on this subject, that breaks through the mistranslations and misconceptions on this subject.

Can you explain why there will be sacrifices in the kingdom to come?

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices (זבח) They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.



They didn't.

You can find a brief study on this subject here: Circumcision



I'm not familiar with this. Can you show me this in scripture?

Yahshua said the law stands forever.



(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

The God found in the Old Testament is not different from the God revealed through Jesus Christ in the Gospels, nor the God that Paul spoke about in the New Testament.

However, the Greeks and Romans they spoke to had many different ideas about the gods, which is why you find many various titles and names for God in the New Testament (pronounced in Greek as theos). Just like the Old Testament authors claimed that their various titles for “God” all referred to the one true God known as “Yahweh,” the apostles who wrote the New Testament believed that Jesus was the physical embodiment of Yahweh himself.

This is why they speak about Jesus so much. Their conviction was that the God who revealed himself to Abraham and Moses, the God known from many titles in the Old Testament, was most perfectly revealed in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah. For them, there was no God knowable to us apart from Jesus. In him, the love and mercy and justice of Yahweh the Creator God became human so we could hear and touch him, and know him by name.

Before Abraham .... I am.

All three members (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are essentially equal; i.e., they are all divine in nature. However, in the grand plan of redemption, they play certain roles, and these roles define authority and subservience. The Father commands the Son, and the Father and the Son command the Holy Spirit.

The fact that the Son took on a human nature and made Himself subservient to the Father (in human form) in no way denies the deity of the Son, nor does it diminish His essential equality with the Father.

One God with many names and titles. The three are one.

 

[Acts29]

Then what is his Father's name? Why did it change?

Exodus 3

15 Elohim, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' YHWH, the Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name FOREVER, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.-

Therein lies the mystery.

Exodus 3: 2 And the Angel of the Yehovah appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. ... 4 So when the Yehovah saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”... 6 Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.

The Angel of Yehovah is also named Yehovah. The Angel, the Son, is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Zechariah 2:8 For thus says Yehovah Almighty; After the glory has He sent Me to the nations that spoiled you: for he that touches you is as one that touches the apple of His eye. 9 For, behold, I bring My hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to them that serve them: and you shall know that Yehovah Almighty has sent Me. 10 Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Zion: for, behold, I come, and will dwell in the midst of you, says Yehovah.

Yehovah is speaking saying Yehovah has sent me. This is only possible if there are two named Yehovah. The first and third person continues:

[Father speaks] 11 And many nations shall flee for refuge to Yehovah in that day, and they shall be for a people to Him, and they shall dwell in the midst of you:
[Son speaks] And you shall know that the Yehovah Almighty has sent Me to you.
[Father speaks] 12 And Yehovah shall inherit Judah His portion in the holy land, and He will yet choose Jerusalem. 13 Let all flesh fear before Yehovah: for He has risen up from His holy clouds.”

John 3:11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness.

 

[Bob S]

Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel.

and Judah

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

That may have been Jesus commission, but thankfully He saw the greater need and includes gentiles.
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Mark 16:15
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

YHWH's renewed covenant is with Israel.

God's NEW (not renewed Heb 8:13)) covenant includes all of God's children and since it was Jesus who ratified the new covenant with His own blood it is His laws that we are to believe and obey. Jn15:10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws (Torah) to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Where does the Idea come from that Jesus imparted the Torah. The followers of Jesus are commissioned by Jesus to keep Jesus Royal Law of Love.

Those who are under the law; are under the curses of the law, for their transgressions of the law. Those who are in Yahshua sustain the law.

No one is "under the law". The law was the words of the covenant. Israel broke the covenant thus negating it.*** Gal 3 explains this in no uncertain terms. He called the Galatians foolish for listening to those who were persuading them to obey the Torah. In Gal 5 Paul has this to say:
5 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

Those who believe they are subject to any of Torah law love to take verse 31 out of context. If we didn't have the body of the chapter, the book of Galatians and Corinthians to make sense of Rom 3:31 we could get very confused by that one verse. What the verse does not tell is that we are under the law.

Can you prove that the curtain being torn indicated the end of the "sacrificial system?"

The same proof as those who believe it wasn't.

I have my own speculations as to what it indicated.

Yes, I am aware of many.

The end of sacrifices? How do you define sacrifice?

Doesn't your CLV give you the answer?

I began an in-depth study on this subject, that breaks through the mistranslations and misconceptions on this subject.

Many "in-depth" studies have been made. What would make your In-depth studies rate better than those of others?

Can you explain why there will be sacrifices in the kingdom to come?
(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices (זבח) They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

Probably the same way you can explain why Isaiah wrote that man in the new Earth would live to be over 100 and those who don't will be considered cursed.
Is 65:20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.

They didn't.

You can find a brief study on this subject here: Circumcision

Why should anyone assume that study is authentic?

I'm not familiar with this. Can you show me this in scripture?

It is with great pleasure that I familiarize you with Paul's statement in 2Cor3:6-11
6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, (ten commandments) which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Yahshua said the law stands forever.

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

Yes, that was until Jesus, at Calvary, gave all mankind the new covenant. Funny you didn't finish Jesus statement.

*** When the colonies declared war on England the colonies broke the covenant it had with England. The covenant contained the laws the colonies were to live by. Did the colonies continue to live under the laws of the covenant after they won freedom from that broken covenant? The remainder of the World was never under the covenant between England and the colonies.

The same is true with all the gentile nations, they were never under the covenant between God and Israel. What authority is there for some to insist that all the people of all the nations be subject to the now defunct laws that God never intended to give to anyone else. Gen 19:5-6

 

[HARK!]

and Judah

Read carefully.

It all started out as one house, Israel. It included former Gentiles who subjected themselves to the Elohim of Israel. There was no house of Judah. Transgression of the law divided the house.


(CLV) Jer 31:31
Behold, the days are coming, averring is Yahweh, when I will contract a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Two houses. The Hose of Israel has now turned from YHWH. They are, at that time, Gentiles.


(CLV) Jer 31:32
Not like the covenant which I contracted with their fathers in the day I held fast onto their hand to bring them forth from the land of Egypt, which covenant of Mine they themselves annulled while I was Possessor over them, averring is Yahweh.

One house in sin.

(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

One house in obedience.

 

[HARK!]

That may have been Jesus commission, but thankfully He saw the greater need and includes gentiles.
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Mark 16:15
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

Again, the gospel was given to the Gentiles who entered covenant in Egypt, and again at Sinai.

This is nothing new.

Abraham wasn't of Israel.