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GenemZ

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I agree, and I also think that people automatically assume that when you defend yourself with a gun your intent is to kill the intruder. That is not true. My intent is to put down an advancing threat.



I was advised more than once, if you pump a shotgun to put a round in the barrel, if a criminal is nearby and hears it - he will most likely be instantly gone.
 
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That's VERY bad advice.

He might also, upon hearing that sound, fire a volley of gunfire in the direction of that sound--thus endangering you and your family and any other people in the vicinity, because most common pistol or rifle cartridges will penetrate several interior walls easily.
 
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Exactly......the Kingdom of God that Jesus was striving to achieve.




Jesus was not striving to achieve the Kingdom of God. He is/was The Kingdom of God waiting to happen!




"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."




He was striving to do the Father's will ... which was to get to the Cross without giving into temptation, so he could die for our sins. So we could be made acceptable to enter his Kingdom.



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A policeman was one who made that suggestion. Hearing a Mosberg being pumped does things to a criminal who knows it has a very wide spread.



Otherwise..... sit their being passive. Watch your wife being raped next to you... before you both have a bullet placed in your head?

Can you know that will not happen?

Anyone willing to break into a house is not usually known for having manners and a sense of decency.





Luke 11:21 (New International Version)

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe."


Jesus Christ circa 30AD





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I was advised more than once, if you pump a shotgun to put a round in the barrel, if a criminal is nearby and hears it - he will most likely be instantly gone.
I've heard that too. Maybe I should go buy one of those too.
 
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A policeman was one who made that suggestion.
I don't care who made it, it's a stupid suggestion for the reasons that I gave. You never give up your tactical advantage by making noise. Only a novice would do such a thing.

Learn how to spell Mossberg, at least, before you start giving advice.

 
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A policeman was one who made that suggestion.

Whoever told you this is an idiot. He may be a policeman, but if he follows this advice, he's going to be a dead policeman.

Hearing a Mosberg being pumped does things to a criminal who knows it has a very wide spread.

Yeah, it tells him where you are, what kind of weapon you have and puts him on the offensive.
 
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I don't care who made it, it's a stupid suggestion for the reasons that I gave. You never give up your tactical advantage by making noise. Only a novice would do such a thing.

Learn how to spell Mossberg, at least, before you start giving advice.

OK... it was typo time. One "s" was missed. But?



It will still load and shoot just the same.


Under your circumstances, out in the street... what you say would be true for the police. When a criminal is being chased, or tracked down, giving away one's position by sound is not a good idea. So, what's your point?

For? When someone breaks into your house? And, finds out the one inside is armed with a shotgun?.... they usually will not want to stick around too long. That sound gives them a chance to leave.

If you never pumped the gun to be heard? You are inviting him to find you and to confront you directly. Then you will guarantee an escalated level of confrontation. The pumping can be as good as a warning shot without having to shoot.

And, if the owner is willing to use it.. walking through the doorway towards a shotgun is not a smart idea. Unless you know something I don't know.


If that warning would not work? Hearing the shotgun being pumped? Imagine what your odds would have been if defenseless? The criminal would have to be a maniac to stick around. My suggestion? Hopefully you were able to dial 911 while this was going on.

If he enters your space? After hearing you load? Shoot in that case. Ask questions later... What would you have done? Pumped when? When he is already in your room? Keep it loaded at all times, and give him no alternative?



That is... if you do not live in California, or Massachussettes, or another liberal state.


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Give it up and argue something else, you are not even close to knowing what you're talking about on this issue.

Get some real training from a good trainer before you start playing with guns. That's good advice.....take it.



Playing?

Well, then?

Why don't you teach us something to help, then.

That might be a very good idea.... since you know so much.

Since you do not want to see anyone hurt.. and you know so much? It would be criminal to simply leave it at that.


Its sad to see so many who do not know what you know.... And, to have met those who gave such bad advise. And, my military training was a joke.

Teach us something to help... seriously.



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this thread is hurting my brain, so the whole 'we are not to hurt anyone for any reason' thing just went out the window!

2theBone said:
In truth, the best quick advice I can give you is get a dog.


Well if you get a dog for home defense, then you are still breaking the "hurt nobody etc etc rule", since your dog has the potential to hurt someone. Also in this line of thinking, why not remove all the glass from the windows so intruders don't get hurt if they have to break one to get in. Either that or just maybe give them a lighted walkway and always leave your door wide open and a light on so that they don't trip over anything. Don't forget a wheelchair accessible ramp, either. And possibly a placard with instructions on how to get to whatever it is that they are after- written in braille just in case.

Forgive my sarcasm.
 
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What if he shoots the dog?

A barking dog is a great alarm system. But, for protection after someone is in your home? Uh uh... Unless its Rottweiler? You're not good to depend on a dog.

I have always felt that anyone who enters your home by forced entry, has waived all his rights.

Some here think you should wait until the person breaking and entering should be allowed to get close before pumping your shotgun. Maybe he will leave if you do nothing...

Crazy time to be first locking and loading. For sure, if you pump when he is close he will know your exact location for sure. You have waited too long.

When he is still down the hall, and there are several doors along the way? He will not know your exact location. Yet? He will know he is in a home with someone who is armed.

If you are going to use it if need be, the further away he hears you, the more chance you have of him taking an exit first. If you wait until he is up close, then you might be forced to shoot.

I do not know how so many people I have spoken with can be so wrong. One sells hand guns. Amazing how some here are such experts, yet refuse to teach a better way. They just say to take lessons. The lessons police take is for other circumstances. If someone breaks and enters your home? Its different than trying to locate someone running from you, or hiding. Same goes for military training. But? When you know your house? And you know someone has broken in? I think its tough luck for him. That does not mean you shoot right away. It means he knows you are ready to.


If he does not leave?

Well....... He was warned. And, you better be willing to shoot before you pump.

http://www.sdreader.com/published/2005-07-28/bestbuys.html


What do ya know? Another idiot policeman giving the same advice I heard before.....


Should we tell him?

Maybe I should donate to green peace instead of the NRA next time.


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I would think that in most cases where someone has entered a home, that the offender would not know if the person there is armed and the person there would not know if the offender is armed, unless of course they have already ran into each other.

I agree that the sound of a shotgun pump would put a lot if not most would be perps on the run, especially if they are not armed or have only a handgun. Now if they have a oozie they may just spray in the general direction but shooting blindy with a hand gun would be pretty stupid as the guy with the shotgun is likely to win that battle and most people know this.
 
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Correction(Luke 6:27-29) “But I say this to you who are listening: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who treat you badly. To the man who slaps you on one cheek, present the other cheek too; to the man who takes you cloak from you, do not refuse your tunic.”

(Luke 6:30-35) “Give to everyone who asks you, and do not ask for your property back from the man who robs you. Treat others, as you would like them to treat you. If you love those who love you, what thanks can you expect? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what thanks can you expect? For even sinners do that much. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive what thanks can you expect? Even sinners lend to sinners to get back the same amount. Instead, love your enemies and do good, and lend without any hope of return. You will have a great reward, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

(Luke 12:33) “Sell your possessions and give alms. Get yourselves purses that do not wear out, treasure that will not fail you, in Heaven where no thief can reach it and no moth destroy it. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

Does this sound like someone who would want you to use a weapon to protect your possessions?

(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
 
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I think the best thing to do in a home invasion situation is one, have your gun ready to go at all times. Loaded, so all you need to do is aim and squeeze the trigger. If you're in your bedroom call 911 immediately, so they can hear and record the whole encounter. This evidence will become invaluable if this should go to court. Wait for the perp to come to you, when you see him, turn on your tactical flashlight. It can either be in your hand or on your gun. The tac lights will blind him for a few seconds. Giving you time to protect yourself. You'll see him, but he won't see you. Most gun battles happen at a distance of 2-3 yards and last 2-3 seconds. It's not like in the movies. You have 2-3 seconds to prove you're faster than the other guy and to decide if you live or die, which will greatly affect if your loved ones live or die as well.
 
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We're not using weapons to protect our possessions. That's actually illegal in AZ, I believe. We are using the weapons to protect ourselves and our loved ones. If I am murdered or my wife is murdered we can not continue to engage in the Great Commission and tell others about Christ. Now, I know you're not suggesting that we just lay down and die and let the devil and his minions wipe us out. This is a battle, one that manifests itself in the physical realm as well as in the spiritual realm.
 
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We should never hurt anyone for any reason?

Have you never been to a dentist?
Don't you know that there aren't any Christian dentists! LOL They're all Satanists as they live to inflict pain upon others! LOL
 
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