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We all know the doctrine of 'free will' is not a biblical thing right?

John tower

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Those without free will don't make it to heaven.
Eph 2(8-10): salvatio has absolutely nothing to do with our own works : totally the work of God : Man exalting Arminiast garbage : exalt God !!
 
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Non-sequitur, as if you don't understand my simple posts nor Scripture at all.

Eph 2(8-10): salvatio has absolutely nothing to do with our own works : totally the work of God : Man exalting Arminiast garbage : exalt God !!
 
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Everyone agrees that we do not have the free will to fly around the room by our own power, so we are limited in our choices. We can be extremely limited by our physical and environmental condition, but could every mature adult mentally make just one free will choice outside of these limitations and thus be a choice of his own discretion?

You define “free will” as: the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.

I would add “to act” this “or think”, since thinking can be a mental action, since we are focusing on “one’s own discretion”.

A slave is extremely limited to what he will do with a slave of satan always acting with a selfish motive and not being able to keep from the action of sinning, although like Paul in Ro. 7 might personally desire not to sin. Even though most of the time the sinner selfishly personally desires to sin, can He/she for a moment be like Paul in Ro. 7 and not want to sin, even though they go on and sin?

You are the slave of who you are following (which is a choice), so can you just stop following satan for a moment?


Does God have the power and Love to allow mature adult humans to truly make very limited (maybe just one) autonomous free will choices to accept or reject God’s pure charity, which will enable the human to become like God himself in that the human obtains the free unconditional gift of Godly type Love (Luke 7)?

Did God granted a very limited autonomous free will choice to Adam and Eve and if so why could God not do the same for all mature adults?

God can still be autonomous by autonomously choosing to allow humans one autonomous free will choice within the Limits His choosing?

Just as the prodigal son on his own did nothing worthy of anything, yet was brought to his senses by his own actions and made the free will choice return to the Father, can we (and really will we) be brought to our senses at least once, while in our mature adult situation, to decide to be macho and stay in the pigsty of life where we deserve to be or humbly turn to the Father we have hurt and ask for just some kind of undeserving existence, out of our selfish motivation?

A mature adult sinful nonbeliever cannot “do” anything righteous, worthy, spiritual or even unselfish, but does that also mean the sinful person, in this dead state, could not humbly accept pure charity for selfish reasons?[/QUOTE]
Why do you choose that "just one" autonomous choice as an example?

I have noticed this one thing, where God is held to an even more unreasonable standard than man: In arguments, for example, concerning the age of the universe or the the earth, believers love the idea of manipulating time and space --even applauding our ingenuity --but don't let the inventor of time and space do so, "or he is lying to say it was 6 days, and 6000 years ago". So now we see people reasonably enough saying that they are influenced by all sorts of things --upbringing, environment, and even spiritual influences --but all the sudden somehow, God can't influence us in our decision to "accept him" (whatever that means) or the decision wasn't real?
 
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I am not sure what you are asking.

God does “set us up” but He does not make the decision for us or hold a gun to our head (Love me or go to hell), so we make the choice.

The prodigal son is a good example: He got himself into a situation which brought him to his senses (with God’s help). At that point the son can chose to wimp out, give up on his own ability and return home for selfish reasons or he can be macho, accept the punishment he fully deserves, pay the piper, and not bother his father and brother further with his presence. It is a life and death choice, but easily could have gone the other way. The Father (God) has done His part perfectly, but He does not send servants out to drag his son home, since the son would be humbly accepting the Father’s Love as it was given (as pure charity). By the son accept an unbelievable huge forgiveness from the father the son will automatically have an unbelievable huge Love (Jesus taught us Luke 7 “…he that is forgiven much Loves much…”). That kind of Love (Godly type Love) is what the Father is after and this is the only way for humans to get it.

The prodigal son’s one choice is the one big choice we have to make. Not ever sinning is not our objective, so sin is not the big “problem” the big problem is accepting God’s Love in the form of forgiveness so we can have a Love like God (…he that is forgiven of an unbelievable huge debt will automatically have an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love).
 
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