Water baptism

[bob96]

baptism is like an outward testimony...

So you believe baptism is for the benefit of others? A public show?

Then why was the Ethiopian, and the jailer and his family baptised in a non-public setting?

 

[Edial]

So you believe baptism is for the benefit of others? A public show?

Then why was the Ethiopian, and the jailer and his family baptised in a non-public setting?

... he got you there frog.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

So you believe baptism is for the benefit of others? A public show?

Then why was the Ethiopian, and the jailer and his family baptised in a non-public setting?

Really the text of Acts 16 implies the jailer may have been baptized during the nighttime even...

 

[Biblicist]

... he got you there frog.

Well, maybe this might not be the case - at least on this occasion.

With the Philippian jailer and his family, it is difficult to imagine such a number being able to undertake a secret and unobserved baptism. Paul would had to source either a creek or pond to be able to immerse so many.

As for the Ethiopian eunuch, it would be hard to imagine such an important official travelling on his own. His supporting party would be wonderful witnesses to his conversion back in his home land.

 

[Biblicist]

Really the text of Acts 16 implies the jailer may have been baptized during the nighttime even...

If I was the jailer or one of his family members, I'm not all that sure that I would be all that comfortable with walking through that town to find a pool when Paul and Silas were just recently unlawfully beaten.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

If I was the jailer or one of his family members, I'm not all that sure that I would be all that comfortable with walking through that town to find a pool when Paul and Silas were just recently unlawfully beaten.

All the more why they were either baptized in their home, or baptized at night to lessen visibility. Just speculation, or maybe not...

Acts 16:31-35 ESV

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God. But when it was day, the magistrates sent the police, saying, “Let those men go.”

Two things stick out from the text. It explicitly states they were baptized at night. It also states after they were baptized they were brought into the jailers house, so yeah, they were baptized at night out in the city or countryside somewhere with probably just his household and Paul's entourage. Maybe even some of the jailed men too, who knows... must have been in the summer...

 

[Frogster]

So you believe baptism is for the benefit of others? A public show?

Then why was the Ethiopian, and the jailer and his family baptised in a non-public setting?

I said testimony, your choice of "show", is setting me up in a negative manner.

Well, is it a type of testimony or not?

 

[Frogster]

... he got you there frog.

naaaaa...

Do people confess Christ publicly and privately?

Both are valid...

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I said testimony, your choice of "show", is setting me up in a negative manner.

Well, is it a type of testimony or not?

I don't believe it is. No, but this question is not directed at me so I'll let Bob answer.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

naaaaa...

Do people confess Christ publicly and privately?

Both are valid...

But if one never makes a public profession of Christ there is serious cause to question their conversion.

 

[Frogster]

Well, maybe this might not be the case - at least on this occasion.

With the Philippian jailer and his family, it is difficult to imagine such a number being able to undertake a secret and unobserved baptism. Paul would had to source either a creek or pond to be able to immerse so many.

As for the Ethiopian eunuch, it would be hard to imagine such an important official travelling on his own. His supporting party would be wonderful witnesses to his conversion back in his home land.

Good points.

 

[Frogster]

But if one never makes a public profession of Christ there is serious cause to question their conversion.

to you maybe...you so far look to externals way too much in my opinion.

Jesus said, they cast out demons (externals), but he did not know them.

 

[Frogster]

All the more why they were either baptized in their home, or baptized at night to lessen visibility. Just speculation, or maybe not...

Acts 16:31-35 ESV

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God. But when it was day, the magistrates sent the police, saying, “Let those men go.”

Two things stick out from the text. It explicitly states they were baptized at night. It also states after they were baptized they were brought into the jailers house, so yeah, they were baptized at night out in the city or countryside somewhere with probably just his household and Paul's entourage. Maybe even some of the jailed men too, who knows... must have been in the summer...

the night word could mean after dinner, and it could have still been light out, yes summer..

 

[Frogster]

All the more why they were either baptized in their home, or baptized at night to lessen visibility. Just speculation, or maybe not...

Acts 16:31-35 ESV

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God. But when it was day, the magistrates sent the police, saying, “Let those men go.”

Two things stick out from the text. It explicitly states they were baptized at night. It also states after they were baptized they were brought into the jailers house, so yeah, they were baptized at night out in the city or countryside somewhere with probably just his household and Paul's entourage. Maybe even some of the jailed men too, who knows... must have been in the summer...

in their home? oh my,. i doubt the bathtub afforded full emersion!

 

[Frogster]

I don't believe it is. No, but this question is not directed at me so I'll let Bob answer.

well....but you did answer, show is derogatory, "like i said it's just a show", but testimony does not do that, when you read my post.

It would be like if I said so and so just did it for a show..

 

[Frogster]

cough..cough..there is a river recorded in Acts 16. They had torches too...could have been at night, maybe, maybe not.

But it was outside the city, i wonder if they would trek at night, and how far it was..? Yet, it is true what Biblicist said about the beatings, and would it be safe...

Yet they had paths, well traveled roads, and this is where Paul converted Lydia, so it could be a common pathway, no big deal at night with torches.

we are all speculating, but that is fun too.

 

[Edial]

Well, maybe this might not be the case - at least on this occasion.

With the Philippian jailer and his family, it is difficult to imagine such a number being able to undertake a secret and unobserved baptism. Paul would had to source either a creek or pond to be able to immerse so many.

If he would have wanted it observed he would have waited till the morning.
It was night. No light.

AC 16:29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
AC 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household." 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized.

As for the Ethiopian eunuch, it would be hard to imagine such an important official travelling on his own. His supporting party would be wonderful witnesses to his conversion back in his home land.

But the eunuch's point was not to give a testimony but get baptized.
He saw the need to do it right there and then.

If he would have wanted to give a testimony he would have told his entourage to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

That's a stronger testimony coming from their boss than being immersed in water.

AC 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?" 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Edial]

Good points.

I think Frog is grasping at straws and reminding himself to rent the Martin Luther movie ...

 

[Frogster]

If he would have wanted it observed he would have waited till the morning.
It was night. No light.

AC 16:29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
AC 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household." 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized.


But the eunuch's point was not to give a testimony but get baptized.
He saw the need to do it right there and then.

If he would have wanted to give a testimony he would have told his entourage to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

That's a stronger testimony coming from their boss than being immersed in water.

AC 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?" 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

Thanks,
Ed

good point too..

 

[Edial]

naaaaa...

Do people confess Christ publicly and privately?

Both are valid...

But what good is a private testimony when there are no people to hear it?

I think Bob sank the Frog.