Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

[squint]

LOL. And when I actually HEAR any attempt at refutation of the truths given here with Scripture I will assume...well, they're finally growing up.

That is irrelevant. If you bought your story from Murray/Shep.Chap. just say so.

Maybe then they'll stop using such ugly words. Maybe then they'll stop trying to deny truth with silliness...racism, murryism, blasphemy, etc., etc. anything but the Words of the Lord.

Your story so far is classic Murray.

If you are such an expert in the field if you weren't a Murray proponent you would instantly provide your differences.

Since you don't the connection is unavoidable.

s

 

[Rev Randy]

I have a feeling that this thread could well be closed before long. So, I would ask those that have a problem with this...please go back, see the verses given, see the non-existent "other side," that tries to dispute this. Ask yourself...what's wrong with this knowledge?


1. There was a previous age in which Satan rebelled.
2. God began anew when the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3. Mankind was created male and female on the sixth day.
4. Adam was formed after the seventh day and then Eve was taken from him.
5. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was smack dab in the middle of the garden and that tree is the serpent/Satan. Although warned to leave his fruit alone...no way, they listened to him, Eve was beguiled by him and she conceived.
6. They were dispelled from the garden...Adam knew Eve and she conceived...err long she gave birth to Cain and Abel.
7. Cain slew Abel because he was of his father the first murderer and liar. Cain was the first of the tares. The tares are to be with us until this age ends.
8. The tares, as well as two, male and female of all races were aboard the ark with Noah...kept alive as per God's instructions.
9. From Adam and his genetic line would come Noah, Hebrews, Israel and....our Lord Jesus Christ.

#1 False. This seems to suppose man was in Eden only for a day or so. It does not seem to dig into why Satan rebelled either.
#2 Well that doesn't even make sense so I won't address it.
#3 Correct.
#4 formed is a means of creation as it being made from a rib.(she was actually made from his side.)
#5 Satan is not knowledge. Satan is a liar.
#6 correct they were expelled from Paradise. Correct that Adam knew her and she conceived.
#7 incorrect. Cain slew Abel out of jealousy. Abel's offering was a blood sacrifice which is the only sacrifice acceptable to God. Cain offered food. It was not received. He was really upset. Cain's dad was Adam.
#8The tares? Eight souls were aboard and you've already said those of the satanic line are not living souls. (I can provide a post # if you need one.)
#9 And Muslims, atheists, devil worshippers and anyone from the only race of humans on earth (The HUMAN RACE).
Sorry Arnold but you are wrong.

 

[YeShallTread]

That is irrelevant. If you bought your story from Murray/Shep.Chap. just say so.

The only thing relevant is the discussion of the topics brought forward about the beginning of this age. If you want to discuss someone else...open a thread.

So far Squint, and company...there is a great big o coming from your side of this discussion. Nothing except extraneous reasons, that have nothing to do with the topic, have been given so far. Nothing and yet you won't consider...well gosh, since we can't refute this, maybe it's gasp, gasp...true. After all it is the Word of the Lord we're seeing.

Your story so far is classic Murray.

If you are such an expert in the field if you weren't a Murray proponent you would instantly provide your differences.

Since you don't the connection is unavoidable.

s

LOL. Maybe you're spending too much time with the guy. It seems like he's rubbing you the wrong way.

Now, care to get back on topic?

 

[Rev Randy]

The only thing relevant is the discussion of the topics brought forward about the beginning of this age. If you want to discuss someone else...open a thread.

So far Squint, and company...there is a great big o coming from your side of this discussion. Nothing except extraneous reasons, that have nothing to do with the topic, have been given so far. Nothing and yet you won't consider...well gosh, since we can't refute this, maybe it's gasp, gasp...true. After all it is the Word of the Lord we're seeing.





LOL. Maybe you're spending too much time with the guy. It seems like he's rubbing you the wrong way.

Now, care to get back on topic?

I'm thinking Squint spent just enough time with Murray to see right through the junk. And he already explained why he spent any time at all on him.

 

[Jere209]

Why? Is it written? Is it God's Word? What is blasphemous?

Getting ready to answer this. I've had kids to pick up from school and usher to appts. Now I am home, settled in my recliner, and now I can finally post what has me speechless.

 

[Jere209]

ok..To begin with, this is my understanding of the Serpent Seed theory.. I am familiar with the Pre-Adamic race, and the Nephilum however, not this one. I am now though!

William Branham taught a version of the original sin that was highly unorthodox and which is referred to by his followers as the "serpent's seed" or "serpent seed" doctrine.
This doctrine is comprised of the following related beliefs:
The original sin in the Garden of Eden was not eating a fruit, it was a sexual sin;
Eve's sin was not mere disobedience but rather that she had sexual intercourse with the serpent;
The serpent was an upright beast, effectively the "missing link";
Cain and Abel were maternal non-identical twins:
Cain was the son of Eve and the serpent; and
Abel was the son of Eve and Adam.

This is mind blowing to me. To suggest that humans come from anything other than God and HIS image is what is blasphemous. That God would allow satan to create mankind? lol!

It rejects what it says in Acts 17:26
The KJV states that God "hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth."
Translations into modern English also make it very clear:
And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place.
And He made from one [common origin, one source, one blood] all nations of men to settle on the face of the earth, having definitely determined [their] allotted periods of time and the fixed boundaries of their habitation (their settlements, lands, and abodes)...

Also Romans 5:12
Paul said that "as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men..."
That one man was Adam, not Cain. Not one woman, not one serpent. One man - Adam.
So then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all people.
Sin came into the world through one man, and his sin brought death with it. As a result, death has spread to the whole human race because everyone has sinned.[8]
If you believe the Serpent's seed is physical, you deny the truth of Romans 5:12

Am I right in what I have came up with so far? If so, how do you respond to Acts 17:26 and Romans 5:12, YST?

 

[squint]

The only thing relevant is the discussion of the topics brought forward about the beginning of this age. If you want to discuss someone else...open a thread.

I'm just waiting for you to 'honestly' show your Murray alliance.

You can claim Holy Spirit all the day, but when the presentation is Murray, then it's NOT the Holy Spirit as you claim, but MURRAY.

So far Squint, and company...there is a great big o coming from your side of this discussion.

There have been many legitimate counters from myself and from others, exactly none of which you have addressed other than to assert that your Murray sight alone is the only right answers possible.

Here's a clue. THEY'RE NOT the only possible sights and the sights you present have some very severe flaws as prior noted.

It has also been my 'experience' in working with exposure of various heresies that once a heresy takes hold it seldom relents in the holder.

The Serpent seed doctrine has 2 or more blatant heresies at it's core as prior noted to you multiple times.

Obviously you prefer to hold them.

LOL. Maybe you're spending too much time with the guy. It seems like he's rubbing you the wrong way.

I have to weigh the merits of any claims I come into contact with if I choose to do so. I happened to have had to deal with this particular set a couple times in my own life. Once through offshoots of W. Branham in the Christian Identity movement, which btw partly prompted me to depart from charismania and again with relations and A. Murray.

I'm not saying that I don't rejoice in any particular proclamation of Jesus, even if it's done in FALSEHOOD (pretence,) as I do. I noted prior that neither of my cousins had much of an interest in Jesus to begin with and n fact they still don't. They are in fact more interested in buying the solutions out of the false dilemma that Murray sells. Neither of them I would consider as having good foundational understandings of most subjects but they are experts ON KENNITES.

and BTW, I really haven't heard that part of your story yet. Would you like to get to it?

Now, care to get back on topic?

The topic from your end is the serpent seed heresy. Let's not mistake that for topic matter.

s

 

[Rev Randy]

I'm not twisting your words. Good grief! You first said:

"The seed of the serpent is a false idea planted by satan. Like; You shall not surely die."

I replied that those were God's words. How in the heck did Satan plant diddly about the seed of the serpent? Come on Rev...you aren't being kosher here.





Indeed the woman does not have seed. It is a direct reference to the Seed of Mary who is the only begotten Son of God. Satan and his offspring nailed the heels of Christ to the cross but the head of the serpent will be smacked...just like God's Word tells us in the first prophecy of the Bible.

As for the sex part being my problem....Really? Seems to me God was pretty upset about that event.




She was cursed because she allowed herself to be beguiled after being warned. That beguilment had consequences. One of whom was Cain.

There are literal seed of the serpent, the tares, and there is spiritual seed of the serpent. Lots and lots of deceived/beguiled folks. There is the beast, those with the mark and then those with the name and number of the beast.






Nah...I haven't watched a scary movie in a long time. I promised I wouldn't after a certain event. As for the other....you assume things you know nothing of.

Sorry sis God words were "you shall surely die". Satans words recorded in Scripture were "not surely". Satan didn't inspired scripture God inspired the penman to record his (satan's) words.
I know you are quoting murray almost verbatim. If you don't watch and follow him your learning from one of his followers.

 

[YeShallTread]

Well THANK YOU REV. RANDY....Some answers and discussion of the topic. Whoohooo. Seriously, thank you.

1. There was a previous age in which Satan rebelled.

Rev Randy - #1 False. This seems to suppose man was in Eden only for a day or so. It does not seem to dig into why Satan rebelled either.

The rebellion was in the first age...it was the reason for the destruction of the world and the flood that covered it when "the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" at the beginning of this age. When first introduced to Satan in the garden he was already in his fallen state and he wasn't created that way...he fell in the first age and that is a terrific topic on it's own.

Eden is "the garden of God," and not all of mankind was in Eden. Mankind was around before Adam was formed. I see the days of Genesis as the Lord's days, the days in which He was creating. A day to the Lord is as a thousand years. I believe our reckoning of time began after the seventh day.

2. God began anew when the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

#2 Well that doesn't even make sense so I won't address it.

Sure it does Rev. We know this world is ancient...billions of years old. The previous age, the time of the dinosaurs and Satan's rebellion ended...was shaken and flooded and then our present age began.

3. Mankind was created male and female on the sixth day.

#3 Correct.

4. Adam was formed after the seventh day and then Eve was taken from him.

#4 formed is a means of creation as it being made from a rib.(she was actually made from his side.)

Well the word in Hebrew is curve. Either way...she was of Adam, one being.

5. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was smack dab in the middle of the garden and that tree is the serpent/Satan. Although warned to leave his fruit alone...no way, they listened to him, Eve was beguiled by him and she conceived.

#5 Satan is not knowledge. Satan is a liar.

Indeed he is but...he's a smart liar. We shouldn't underestimate his knowledge because he's wicked.

6. They were dispelled from the garden...Adam knew Eve and she conceived...err long she gave birth to Cain and Abel.

#6 correct they were expelled from Paradise. Correct that Adam knew her and she conceived.

They were dispelled. Adam knew her. She conceived...after having already conceiving Cain.

7. Cain slew Abel because he was of his father the first murderer and liar. Cain was the first of the tares. The tares are to be with us until this age ends.

#7 incorrect. Cain slew Abel out of jealousy. Abel's offering was a blood sacrifice which is the only sacrifice acceptable to God. Cain offered food. It was not received. He was really upset. Cain's dad was Adam.

LOL.....no, no, no.

8. The tares, as well as two, male and female of all races were aboard the ark with Noah...kept alive as per God's instructions.

#8The tares? Eight souls were aboard and you've already said those of the satanic line are not living souls. (I can provide a post # if you need one.)

Eight souls were saved by water...while the ark was "a preparing." Those taken on the ark weren't saved by water and weren't saved souls. They were saved races of people...including the tares.

9. From Adam and his genetic line would come Noah, Hebrews, Israel and....our Lord Jesus Christ.

#9 And Muslims, atheists, devil worshippers and anyone from the only race of humans on earth (The HUMAN RACE).

Well, lots of stinkers were in that line including all of the above but there is not only one race of mankind. You are being overly simplistic Rev.

Sorry Arnold but you are wrong.

This was fun. Thank you Rev.Randy. At least you tried....you didn't provide Scripture for your thoughts but you did respond.

 

[YeShallTread]

Sorry sis God words were "you shall surely die". Satans words recorded in Scripture were "not surely". Satan didn't inspired scripture God inspired the penman to record his (satan's) words.
I know you are quoting murray almost verbatim. If you don't watch and follow him your learning from one of his followers.

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

 

[YeShallTread]

I'm thinking Squint spent just enough time with Murray to see right through the junk. And he already explained why he spent any time at all on him.

And he is just talking about the man....nothing is being said about the topic. Why is that? I don't care to hear an explanation of his dislike of someone. I don't care about it for it is nothing more than a dodge.

 

[YeShallTread]

ok..To begin with, this is my understanding of the Serpent Seed theory.. I am familiar with the Pre-Adamic race, and the Nephilum however, not this one. I am now though!

William Branham taught a version of the original sin that was highly unorthodox and which is referred to by his followers as the "serpent's seed" or "serpent seed" doctrine.
This doctrine is comprised of the following related beliefs:
The original sin in the Garden of Eden was not eating a fruit, it was a sexual sin;
Eve's sin was not mere disobedience but rather that she had sexual intercourse with the serpent;
The serpent was an upright beast, effectively the "missing link";
Cain and Abel were maternal non-identical twins:
Cain was the son of Eve and the serpent; and
Abel was the son of Eve and Adam.

This is mind blowing to me. To suggest that humans come from anything other than God and HIS image is what is blasphemous. That God would allow satan to create mankind? lol!

It rejects what it says in Acts 17:26
The KJV states that God "hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth."
Translations into modern English also make it very clear:
And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place.
And He made from one [common origin, one source, one blood] all nations of men to settle on the face of the earth, having definitely determined [their] allotted periods of time and the fixed boundaries of their habitation (their settlements, lands, and abodes)...

Also Romans 5:12
Paul said that "as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men..."
That one man was Adam, not Cain. Not one woman, not one serpent. One man - Adam.
So then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all people.
Sin came into the world through one man, and his sin brought death with it. As a result, death has spread to the whole human race because everyone has sinned.[8]
If you believe the Serpent's seed is physical, you deny the truth of Romans 5:12

Am I right in what I have came up with so far? If so, how do you respond to Acts 17:26 and Romans 5:12, YST?

Jere, thank you for your reply....I'm preparing supper now and may not get back to this before morning....I look forward to this discussion and again, thank you.

 

[Messy]

Apparently mankind had a soul but Adam was the first with a living soul. In other words Adam was spiritually alive. He walked with God...until he sinned.

What does that mean to you Messy?

He created mankind in His Image: Father, Son, Holy Spirit: spirit, soul and body. And like Him, without sin, like Jesus: clothed with His Glory.

We are either a spiritual child of the Light or a child of darkness. If we are of darkness...we are of the beast.

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
​

That doesn't mean some are beasts, it's about everyone:
I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.” 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.

Even if it would mean that, it doesn't make sense that beasts are from the natural line of Cain or preAdamites. I was a child of the devil until I converted and became His child, so it's a spiritual thing.

 

[Jere209]

I have a feeling that this thread could well be closed before long. So, I would ask those that have a problem with this...please go back, see the verses given, see the non-existent "other side," that tries to dispute this. Ask yourself...what's wrong with this knowledge?


1. There was a previous age in which Satan rebelled.
False ...There was no previous rebellion unless one subscribes to this theory you present.

2. God began anew when the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[BIBLE]1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.[/BIBLE]
No, God did not start AGAIN. He created for the first time mankind, but created the world for them NOW.

3. Mankind was created male and female on the sixth day.

God created mankind on this day. (Adam)
The Bible also states in I Corinthians 15:45, “The first man Adam was made a living soul.” If we accept God’s word as our source of truth, we can easily see that Adam is called “the first man.” That excludes the possibility of serpent seed men existing prior to Adam. Since Genesis 3:20 also states Eve “was the mother of all living,” there is no room in the Biblical accounts for some men to have been survivors of the pre-Adamic era either, as any such beings would not have come via Eve’s lineage. Genesis 1:26-27 clearly states that God decided to make man “in His own image” and this applies to both males and females.

4. Adam was formed after the seventh day and then Eve was taken from him.
Nope.
Adam was formed on the 6th day, oops, created.

5. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was smack dab in the middle of the garden and that tree is the serpent/Satan. Although warned to leave his fruit alone...no way, they listened to him, Eve was beguiled by him and she conceived.
How could the tree be satan's tree when God is the one that created it?
We did not descend from satan's seed. This is blasphemous

6. They were dispelled from the garden...Adam knew Eve and she conceived...err long she gave birth to Cain and Abel.
Yes, they were thrown out of the Garden of Eden for rebellion against God.

7. Cain slew Abel because he was of his father the first murderer and liar. Cain was the first of the tares. The tares are to be with us until this age ends.

Cain killed Abel because he was ticked off, and jealous.. No other reason.

8. The tares, as well as two, male and female of all races were aboard the ark with Noah...kept alive as per God's instructions.

9. From Adam and his genetic line would come Noah, Hebrews, Israel and....our Lord Jesus Christ.

Goodness. I know I descended from Adam.

 

[Jere209]

Jere, thank you for your reply....I'm preparing supper now and may not get back to this before morning....I look forward to this discussion and again, thank you.

I look forward to it
have a nice evening

 

[HisSparkPlug]

There is so much to learn, so many wonderful mysteries in the pages to be discovered.

Amen to that truth.... and probably some of the other things you said too, Lol

 

[Gnarwhal]

No need for gutter language.

I would ask...have I mentioned anyone or have I provided the Word of the Lord God?

Now, if you feel it needs to be flushed then you have a problem. Deal with Scripture. If I'm wrong then please, please, please SHOW ME.

Where is the problem, where is the blasphemy, where is deception, where is racism, where is anything that doesn't completely follow Scripture and...make sense?

I call it like it is. Between Tzaousios, Rev and squint I think things have been sufficiently refuted.

That's one big turd and would require a plunger as well as a flush. He has even more bizarre teachings than this one.

Yeah no kidding, you'd need new pipes after that flush.

Murray is one of the biggest jokes in Christianity. He claims to have a PhD but when asked about it, he won't produce any evidence - he won't even mention where he received it. That speaks volumes about his credibility.

She still doesn't acknowledge the association with Murray, even though clocking in on cue with the angle that every holder of the serpent seed angles have.

When O when will we actually HEAR the fact of that association is what I wanna know.

What can I say? Ignorance is bliss. I see this in a variety of posters here on CF whom align with similarly heretical thoughts yet will argue until they're blue in the face that they're plainly biblical and not poached from some hack like Murray.

Some like to profess that the universe is geocentric, some like to insist on that Cain is the product of a sexual union between Eve and the Serpent, some still like to insist that angels actually had sex with humans and produced giant people.

To quote Dr. John Dorian, "sometimes... you just gotta say, 'what the fudge?'"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SPgBzUsSjg

 

[HisSparkPlug]

The children of Adam marrying within their family is...INCEST.
What did God say about that? It isn't plausible at all...it is just something to grasp at as truth floats by while they sink deeper and deeper.

See now this is what I was wondering about... If God told us not to sleep with blood relatives then wouldn't that apply to the beginning as well? Why would it have been ok to marry one's own sister? Glad you brought this up.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Eve thought Cain was the Messiah, her seed, not satans seed.

WOT? - ... well this is a new one to my ears.... or should I say "eyes". Oh Lord help us..

 

[Lion King]

... some still like to insist that angels actually had sex with humans and produced giant people.

How would you explain the existence of the Nephilims?