Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

[Rick Otto]

A Day of the Lord is counted as the combo/division of GOOD/EVIL. That is A DAY.

It has nothing to do with 'time.'

The generations/beginnings/Genesis of heaven and earth were created in A DAY of the Lord.

Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

A Day of God is GOOD/EVIL. It has nothing to do with TIME as we perceive time.

The foundation of GODS DAY of creation is within His making of GOOD/EVIL.

The SIX DAY creation is more about the MEASURE of EACH DAY of creation that was put into GODS DAY of creation, made in a DAY OF GOOD/EVIL.

The SIX COUNT really has nothing to do with literal days as we perceive them. They are NON TIME related.

That is why A DAY is 'as' a thousand years and vice versa because A DAY is not time constrained.

Protology 101.

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Ok, I think I got it.
Now tell me about Cain's wife.

 

[Rick Otto]

Adam and Eve had LOADS of children and grand-kids after Cain and Abel. Cain married one of those.

And God blesseth them, and God saith to them, 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth.' Genesis 1:28 YLT

As plausible as it seems, is there anything substantiating this beyond an educated guess?

 

[YeShallTread]

The problem is that people always turn to some one for guidance, I don't care how many people say they're "just following the Scriptures" or "taught by the Holy Spirit". There's a saying that goes, "there are no new heresies, just old ones dressed up in space suits". Meaning that whatever theological notion is conjured up originated somewhere, from someone.

Take this bollocks "serpent seed" theory. That's an absurd fabrication by Arnold Murray from Shepherd's Chapel, and that man is a bona fide kook. Yet some people claim that to be some kind of spiritual truth that they esoterically gathered unto themselves. Disregarding that it originated with Murray - a man who claims to possess a doctorate, yet when pressed he will neither confess where he received such degree nor produce the degree himself.

So what matters here is that true scholars, whether they agree or not, are more likely to have more credibility and intellectual integrity than schmucks like Murray or other hacks that walk in off the street and claim spurious understanding of some arbitrary topic.

We should value scholasticism and intellectualism. As Tzaousios said, God gave us cognitive faculties for a reason, if we're ever invited to check our brains at the door then that should be the moment we excuse ourselves from the conversation.

We should value many things...especially Scripture. If someone is a "hack" then it should be quite easy to show them to be...a hack...by using Scripture.

After all, we are to know them by their fruits and some of the fruits hanging on some of the trees, whether in higher theological education or from the trees on the street...are kinda' stinky.


Your "schmuck" word is much like the use of "racism." Both are words and have nothing at all to do with the topic. Deal with Scripture. If it is improperly taught then show the proper use.

 

[Messy]

As plausible as it seems, is there anything substantiating this beyond an educated guess?

Genesis 6:4
After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.

 

[Lion King]

As plausible as it seems, is there anything substantiating this beyond an educated guess?

Do you believe that Eve is the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20)?
Do you believe that Adam was the first human being to be created by God (1 Corinthians 15:45)?

 

[squint]

Ok, I think I got it.
Now tell me about Cain's wife.

I hear she slept with two men.

1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

For lack of the creative juices employed by certain race obsessed forms of theology, I'm going with the fact that Adam and Eve were the only progenitors of all mankind, therefore...

 

[Messy]

Satan fathered Cain?
So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”

Cain and his wife:
Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.

It says nowhere he found her there and why did he name the city after his son? Had there been a city with a wife for him in it, that would make no sense.

If you read on in Scripture, every people group they met came from Adam originally. Why were there no other groups mentioned, if they were on the Ark also?

Genesis 5
5 This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

 

[squint]

Do you believe that Eve is the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20)?
Do you believe that Adam was the first human being to be created by God (1 Corinthians 15:45)?

Since we have agreed on so little, I'm counting in with you on the above...

 

[YeShallTread]

Actually zeke here enlightened me somewhat to Murray's positions, and it's not like you say 'today.'

I do consider however that the baseline of Murray WAS rather anti-semitic, i.e. on certain tribes of Israel past. And as yours might be if we could actually get you to commit to saying it. Some people like to dance around for awhile before tossing the bone out, that's all.

And yes, a LOT more people are racist than we suppose when push comes to shove. I know lifelong democrats who did not vote for Mr. Obama because of his race. And that racism tends to flare up even higher when there is tension.

Anyone who hasn't see this in our system is not paying attention.

I have a very particular DISTASTE for even the slightest smack of racism in theology and often try to drag it out into the open when I smell it.

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There have always been racist (i.e. the Philistine that disliked David because he was ruddy) and there always will be racists. You like to put on your cape and your mask and drag it out when it isn't there to smell.

The fact of racism has nothing to do with the verses quoted, the topic under discussion. It is you that brings racism to the equation...not Scripture. It is you that deflects the topic by bringing in Murray.


It is YOU Squint that has not yet shown one verse that in any way denies the truth of...

1. The previous age
2. Mankind being created before Adam was formed
3. There were more than Noah and his family aboard the ark
4. The seed of the serpent beginning with Cain
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Probably a great deal more but those four come to mind.

 

[Jere209]

Goodness..y'all are up early..lol

 

[YeShallTread]

Do you believe that Eve is the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20)?
Do you believe that Adam was the first human being to be created by God (1 Corinthians 15:45)?

Did Eve give birth to you or me? Are you living?

She is the mother of all that are spiritually alive for she began the line leading to Jesus Christ. That is all that verse means.

Adam was not created...Adam was formed and that was long after the various races, mankind, were created. He was not the first human...he was the first man IN THE LINE to Christ. That is all that verse means.

 

[YeShallTread]

As plausible as it seems, is there anything substantiating this beyond an educated guess?

The children of Adam marrying within their family is...INCEST.

What did God say about that? It isn't plausible at all...it is just something to grasp at as truth floats by while they sink deeper and deeper.

 

[Lion King]

Satan fathered Cain?
So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”

Cain and his wife:
Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.

It says nowhere he found her there and why did he name the city after his son? Had there been a city with a wife for him in it, that would make no sense.

If you read on in Scripture, every people group they met came from Adam originally. Why were there no other groups mentioned?

As others have said earlier; the "satan fathered Cain" teaching is pure foolishness, only advocated by those ignorant of the Scriptures.

Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. Genesis 4:1-2

Why would Eve thank God for her son Cain if satan was truly the father?

 

[squint]

There have always been racist (i.e. the Philistine that disliked David because he was ruddy) and there always will be racists. You like to put on your cape and your mask and drag it out when it isn't there to smell.

Look, you have been posting for days now and your presentations have been largely on the Murray foundational lines. I've asked you to openly identify if that is the case or not.

Are you going to keep avoiding that connection or not?

IF you do connect to Murray, then you are aligning yourself with a GENETIC BASED THEOLOGY SYSTEM. There is no getting around this fact.

Murray's theology system to me is a front door feeding system for entrance into sub cult racist sects.

The fact of racism has nothing to do with the verses quoted, the topic under discussion. It is you that brings racism to the equation...not Scripture. It is you that deflects the topic by bringing in Murray.

Well, why not? Murray has the identical postulations that you are putting up. Why shouldn't those correlations be made when they are so far the same?

It is YOU Squint that has not yet shown one verse that in any way denies the truth of...

-The previous age

I can rule out that there wasn't one and haven't. I don't think scripture precludes that possibility. Under gap theory it doesn't.

I've also said that I believe at least two other forms of beings existed before mankind, that being holy angels and Satanic messengers, both spirit based forms of existence.

-Mankind being created before Adam was formed

Mankind as we know it today? No. There may very well have been human like creatures, but not humans as we deem humanity today.

Scripture does NOT allow for that.

There were more than Noah and his family aboard the ark

Ridiculous claim if claiming other humans were on board.

The seed of the serpent beginning with Cain

You have already opened the fact that the 'seed' of satan is NOT merely genetic, but also spiritual as in BAD MOJO spiritual, anti-Christ spiritual.

It is only you that go on to claim that matter genetic. There is no scriptural evidence that the anti-Christ spirit is genetic.

I've also mentioned that if anyone claims that matter is evil, which genetic anti-Christ believers do hold, that claim is also an old gnostic heresy.

So there is a dual heresy being put in play with the serpent seed theory at a minimum, and probably others as well if we want to bring in racism.

Probably a great deal more but those four come to mind.

I think the first two are more related to the thread topic. The serpent seed theory probably needs it's own little playground as it is a known heresy to most who've looked at the matters.

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[Jere209]

The children of Adam marrying within their family is...INCEST.

What did God say about that? It isn't plausible at all...it is just something to grasp at as truth floats by while they sink deeper and deeper.

Not everything recorded in the Book of Genesis is written in an exact chronological order. The events of Genesis eleven (the Tower of Babel) happened in the middle of chapter 10, chronologically speaking –Genesis 5:4 states, "Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters."

Both Adam and Eve driven out of the garden. Genesis 3:23-24: “therefore the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.”

All their offspring were born outside the garden. Gen 5:4 "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.”The male child born to Adam and Eve after Cain killed Abel was Seth, when Adam was 130 years old.

Gen 5:6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. Scripture tells us "After (Adam) he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters." (Gen. 5:4). It also says of Seth "After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters (Gen. 5:7). Daughters are not mentioned Gen.5 the phrase had sons and daughters is the key phrase but the first male born in the family is mentioned by name.

So either Cain got his wife sometime after from Seth's lineage or from Adam and Eves lineage that produced numerous children after they left the garden. We see by the record that there were a number of people by the time Cain killed his brother Abel. Genesis 4:15 And the LORD said to him, "Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.”

Besides these three sons Adam and Eve had many other unnamed sons and daughters.The Bible does not give the exact time period when Cain took his wife. Depending on how much time there was between Cain being married, he either married a distant sister, or if enough time transpired, he could have married his own niece. Probably the later is true.

Marriage to a sister in the early stage of the human race was not considered wrong or unnatural. Even later on Abraham’s wife was his half-sister (20:12); also 24:4 and 28:2. God did not prohibit such marriages until the time of Moses when is was specifically stated it was against the law of God according to Lev. 18:9, 18:11, 20:17, and Deut. 27:22.

Genesis 4:16-17: “Then Cain went out from the presence of the LORD and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son-- Enoch.”

 

[Rev Randy]

I was forced to roll up my reluctant sleeves on Murray when my own father and two close cousins got suckered into his cult. My dad was more like an interested observer, but my two cousins are now brainwashed zombies courtesy of Mr. Murray's nonsense.

I can't say it's all bad because neither one of them believed much of anything prior to. Now we can at least have all night theology discussions...

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I also have a couple close to me falling for Murray's bigoted rot. His view on where black folk originated and interracial marriage is about the same as the klan. Chapter by chapter and verse by verse my big old butt..

 

[Lion King]

Did Eve give birth to you or me? Are you living?

She is the mother of all that are spiritually alive for she began the line leading to Jesus Christ. That is all that verse means.

Adam was not created...Adam was formed and that was long after the various races, mankind, were created. He was not the first human...he was the first man IN THE LINE to Christ. That is all that verse means.

We've been through this already...I see no reason to keep discussing this again.

Let's agree to disagree.

 

[squint]

I also have a couple close to me falling for Murray's bigoted rot. His view on where black folk originated and interracial marriage is about the same as the klan. Chapter by chapter and verse by verse my big old butt..

You certainly have that right.

Once anyone buys into the genetic gospel it's a very short hop to numerous forms of cults, all very bad.

 

[YeShallTread]

As others have said earlier; the "satan fathered Cain" teaching is pure foolishness, only advocated by those ignorant of the Scriptures.

Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. Genesis 4:1-2

Why would Eve thank God for her son Cain if satan was truly the father?

Did she thank anyone? You read things that aren't there.

Genesis 4:1-2 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

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When sentences begin with "AND," it is a polysyndeton. Notice the many "And's" used on [Gen.1, 3 & 4]

Polysyndeton; or "Many Ands. The repetition of the word "and" at the beginning of successive clauses each independent, important and emphatic, with no climax at the end.

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They are used for emphasis...they show that much more is being said then is said, as is the case of when Adam knew his wife and...along came Cain.


Did she bare Cain right after the conception? Of course not so spend some time in the verse for...time passed in the verse. More is being said.

1. Adam knew Eve and she conceived....before that Satan also knew her and she conceived. Two conceptions...one pregnancy.

2. Later she "bare Cain" and "again bare" meaning she continued in labor and gave birth to Abel. Twins.

3. "I have gotten a man from the Lord." Questions that should enter our minds about that remark....

a. Why say that about Cain and not about Abel?

b. Was the Lord the father of Cain?

c. If Adam was the father why did she call him Lord?

d. If God tells us that the "SEED OF THE SERPENT" was in play and that God said to her, after her tryst in the garden when she was beguiled...."I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children," then I think we have the answer.

1. To her the Lord was Satan, the shining angel...or....
2. She knew that the child Cain was the conception God promised her...sorrow.
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[Messy]

Satan was his spiritual father, not natural. When he didn't listen to God and started to obey satan, satan became his spiritual father.
1 John 3
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.