Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

YeShallTread · Oct 13, 2013

squint said:
Of course they are. Old Testament scripture anyway. They are categorically SYMBOLIC.

We are not discussing symbolism Squint...AND YOU KNOW IT. This is simply a silly tactic to deflect your inability to admit YOU'RE WRONG. Do you really think anyone here is tricked by this?

OF COURSE. I accept the literal aspects of the narratives. But that doesn't mean that's ALL they are. There are mountains of SHADOWS and TYPES in the O.T.

Who, besides you, brought up the tribes and symbolism? Who discussed shadows and types as having anything to do with anything under discussion? What the heck are you talking about? Honestly, some people will go to extremes to keep from saying, oh gosh, I made a mistake.

See what? That Gods Word became flesh and dwelt among us? What does that have to do with anything other than the fact that He was HUMAN?

Who was it...oh wait, it was YOU Squint, that brought up genetics and DNA.

First of all you've provided no facts whatsoever of what it is you think you are trying to prove. So they tribes were SPLIT? SO WHAT? It's an obvious fact. You think it special for some reason that you noted it? Then you tried to 'carve away' JEWS, which is kind of a pet peeve for me as I very much detest that type of ATTEMPT. So I SHOWED your from scripture that GOD WILL IN FACT SAVE THEM TOO as well as the house of Israel. So what 'errors' you think you see in any of that you've yet to say.

All I have provided for you are FACTS. All you have provided is DEFLECTION. Yes, the split in the tribes is obvious and yet you tried to ignore it as meaningless. That is SO WHAT. I did NOT carve away Jews. You just want that "shoe to drop" so you, who cannot deny the truth of what I am teaching, so you can say....RACIST!

What you showed from Scripture is shown to all people so why bring it up, who said Jews weren't saved? You, in your ready to pounce with no reason mind...just wanted it to be racist in nature. Squint and his holier than thou attitude just wants to pick a fight. Why? Because you cannot refute what is being taught. Can't do it so instead...let's fry them on the racism charge.

eyes to see? spare me. When I quote that scripture, which I sometimes do, I try to put the EXACT TEXT and what it says along with the DYNAMIC of the matter and the only reason I EVER do it is in hope for a CHALLENGE to test what I THINK I'm seeing. Sort of like a PEER review on a casual basis in this type of forum. I'm also fairly decent at ripping holes through nonsense.

You may think you rip holes but...you overrate yourself Squint. Your mistake is in not recognizing nonsense.

So if you want to put some meat on that substance bone you think yer chewin' on I'm still waiting.

s

I'm waiting for the FACTS you want to discuss. God supplies His sons of God with all the meat in the world to put on them. I think this is my 3rd or 4th request for the "facts." So far...ridiculous deflection tactics coming from someone thinking himself a crusader for the racists of the world...when there are none he is speaking to.

Fireinfolding · Oct 13, 2013

I actually thought godsontoo brought in a decent scripture for consideration, the one in jeremiah, because i hadnt considered that one. So I was actually waiting on some further discussion on that one.

Guess ill do an internet search elsewhere on it, yah, for google seaches

And basically because I dont consider myself as knowing anything beyond in part.

So I must excuse myself from trying to toot my own spiritual horn here, and on behalf of my own preadamic knowledge given the apostles speak of first man and last man being either of Adam or Christ, or rather that which was first as a similtude of the one that would come after. And the actual mystery worth catching is Christ and the church (who herself is made up of many nations and races)

But what if just for arguments sake there was ten more mans before the so called first man, how is that supposed to either enrich us in either our spiritual understanding or in Jesus Christ in anyway?

Just more race bones 6 feet under here or what?

its sorta lost on me I guess

YeShallTread · Oct 13, 2013

Fireinfolding said:
I actually thought godsontoo brought in a decent scripture for consideration, the one in jeremiah, because i hadnt considered that one. So I was actually waiting on some further discussion on that one.

Guess ill do an internet search elsewhere on it, yah, for google seaches

And basically because I dont consider myself as knowing anything beyond in part.

So I must excuse myself from trying to toot my own spiritual horn here, and on behalf of my own preadamic knowledge given the apostles speak of first man and last man being either of Adam or Christ, or rather that which was first as a similtude of the one that would come after. And the actual mystery worth catching is Christ and the church (who herself is made up of many nations and races)

But what if just for arguments sake there was ten more mans before the so called first man, how is that supposed to either enrich us in either our spiritual understanding or in Jesus Christ in anyway?

Just more race bones 6 feet under here or what?

its sorta lost on me I guess

To my way of thinking, the Word of the Lord is to be understood from the beginning to the revealing, at least all He allows us to know. Will that enrich us in our understanding of Jesus? It has for me for it has answered many questions. Will it offer salvation? No, but it is amazing to see the story unfold.

He leads us on individual paths, various topics are interesting to us but overall it is a fascinating journey.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Fireinfolding · Oct 13, 2013

YeShallTread said:
To my way of thinking, the Word of the Lord is to be understood from the beginning to the revealing, at least all He allows us to know. Will that enrich us in our understanding of Jesus? It has for me for it has answered many questions. Will it offer salvation? No, but it is amazing to see the story unfold.

He leads us on individual paths, various topics are interesting to us but overall it is a fascinating journey.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

I quote those two together often myself sis, Acts 17:11 is them receiving those things speaking of Jesus Christ. Afterall, thats what the apostles preached. And to him that is of power would stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began. And was made manifest.

It was Jesus Christ and fellowship of the mystery between, they were to make men see.

Ephes 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

That which was concealed to the glory of God, which had been hid in God was that they were called to make all men see. Thus, even they themselves could search the scriptures to see if these be true. Of whom the prophets before did speak of (even as Jesus said) they are they which testify of Him.

Which you can see the eunuch ask, Who does this prophet speak of himself or some other man? Ofcourse, Philip preached Jesus Christ (now manifested). Same was said of David (seeing before the resurrection of Jesus Christ). They would say, "David is not ascended" (meaning David was not speaking of himself) but someone other (even as the eunuch asked after the same) which again is Jesus Christ.

But even the mystery Paul whispers to us (as found in Adam and Eve) is that of Christ and the church which is why I was wondering what could be deeper then that? Why didnt the apostles go there? Only because there are mountrails we can take up, even in the scriptures themselves, for example, following genealogies. After all the scriptures list them, why not follow that trail? We could I suppose, but if there isnt much of a reason we ought let it go. Well, if its just gonna get each other screaming how blind the other is over something that doesnt matter, and not something the apostles taught, and especially if its not leading us to Jesus Christ (or the things of the Spirit) verses the flesh and all of that.

Thats why I figured, lets just say, theres a hundred Mans of races the most we could do, is pick up a shovel maybe? Dig in the dirt, discuss the flesh of men? Speculate on which Adam was more special when all in Adam die? Wouldnt a hundred of them confuse other salvation issues (as used in contrasts) between first man and last man?

Although that is the topic of the thread. So go for it.

What is the gist of this preadamic doctrine? Well, given the apostles dont mention anything on this which is why I'd ask. Or, where does it take you in otherwords?

YST, do you have a link to this doctrine your pretty much in agreement with?

Im not interested in arguing with you or anything, just interested in getting a basic idea where it leads to is all.

YeShallTread · Oct 13, 2013

Fireinfolding said:
I quote those two together often myself sis, Acts 17:11 is them receiving those things speaking of Jesus Christ. Afterall, thats what the apostles preached. And to him that is of power would stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began. And was made manifest.

It was Jesus Christ and fellowship of the mystery between, they were to make men see.

Ephes 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

That which was concealed to the glory of God, which had been hid in God was that they were called to make all men see. Thus, even they themselves could search the scriptures to see if these be true. Of whom the prophets before did speak of (even as Jesus said) they are they which testify of Him.

Which you can see the eunuch ask, Who does this prophet speak of himself or some other man? Ofcourse, Philip preached Jesus Christ (now manifested). Same was said of David (seeing before the resurrection of Jesus Christ). They would say, "David is not ascended" (meaning David was not speaking of himself) but someone other (even as the eunuch asked after the same) which again is Jesus Christ.

But even the mystery Paul whispers to us (as found in Adam and Eve) is that of Christ and the church which is why I was wondering what could be deeper then that? Why didnt the apostles go there? Only because there are mountrails we can take up, even in the scriptures themselves, for example, following genealogies. After all the scriptures list them, why not follow that trail? We could I suppose, but if there isnt much of a reason we ought let it go. Well, if its just gonna get each other screaming how blind the other is over something that doesnt matter, and not something the apostles taught, and especially if its not leading us to Jesus Christ (or the things of the Spirit) verses the flesh and all of that.

Thats why I figured, lets just say, theres a hundred Mans of races the most we could do, is pick up a shovel maybe? Dig in the dirt, discuss the flesh of men? Speculate on which Adam was more special when all in Adam die? Wouldnt a hundred of them confuse other salvation issues (as used in contrasts) between first man and last man?

Although that is the topic of the thread. So go for it.

What is the gist of this preadamic doctrine? Well, given the apostles dont mention anything on this which is why I'd ask. Or, where does it take you in otherwords?

YST, do you have a link to this doctrine your pretty much in agreement with?

Im not interested in arguing with you or anything, just interested in getting a basic idea where it leads to is all.

Let me give you a very brief overview of this mystery that has "been kept secret from the foundation of the world." There are many Scriptures that validate this and I am happy to quote them, as you mention those you are interested in...if any.

Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

The foundation of the world was the katallbo...the great destruction or upheaval when God destroyed the world. It was caused by the rebellion of Satan. God destroyed that first age (millions or billions of years old) and began anew in this present age.

Man was created flesh and Satan is here to prove us. God didn't destroy him but uses him, for he is a servant of God, to prove us to see if we follow him or God. Mankind, all races, were created before the seventh day. Adam was formed after the day of rest and he was to bring God's truth to mankind and from his line would come our Saviour.

Adam and Eve failed and yet his line continued and produced the flesh part of Jesus Christ through Mary. However, there was another line produced through Eve...this is the line of Cain. They are the tares of the world and they are not to be touched until this age ends.

The great battle is between the seed of the serpent and the Seed of the woman. It ends when Satan is destroyed.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.

Fireinfolding · Oct 13, 2013

Thanks for letting me know where you stand on these things YST

any sites you can reccomend?

YeShallTread · Oct 13, 2013

Fireinfolding said:
Thanks for letting me know where you stand on these things YST

any sites you can reccomend?

The best....the Holy Bible. I'm not being evasive...I don't know of any sites, I just have Scripture.

Fireinfolding · Oct 13, 2013

YeShallTread said:
The best....the Holy Bible. I'm not being evasive...I don't know of any sites, I just have Scripture.

Okay thanks YST

HisSparkPlug · Oct 13, 2013

hi YeShallTread,

Do you support the "serpent seed" theory that Eve had sex with satan and conceived Cain?

Messy · Oct 14, 2013

There was a preAdamic race, they found the rests and they were cannibals. Now they're demons looking for a body to posess. Fallen angels don't need a human or animal body. The legion wasn't a legion of fallen angels. Why would a fallen angel who never had a mortal body want to go into a swine?

ancientsoul · Oct 14, 2013

Messy said:
There was a preAdamic race, they found the rests and they were cannibals. Now they're demons looking for a body to posess. Fallen angels don't need a human or animal body. The legion wasn't a legion of fallen angels. Why would a fallen angel who never had a mortal body want to go into a swine?

yes ... a legion is a 'squad' of evil spirits ... not angels ... spirits not of the Lord ...

YeShallTread · Oct 14, 2013

HisSparkPlug said:
hi YeShallTread,

Do you support the "serpent seed" theory that Eve had sex with satan and conceived Cain?

I will let our Father answer the question for He said...

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Many deny this when taught but His Word tells the tale. What He has given us is written, is truth, and stands on it's own.

First, you will not find Cain listed in the "generations of Adam," [Gen.5] for he was not a son of Adam or he would be there. As for the serpent and his seed....

Genesis 3:14-15 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

What did the serpent do to cause such anger? Did he entice Eve to take a bite of an apple? God tells us through Paul...

2 Corinthians 11:2-4 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Beguiled is to "wholly seduce." This is literally and/or figuratively. Eve was the wife of Adam and yet she was beguiled by the serpent. As she was to remain chaste to her husband, we are to be presented as chaste to Christ...we are not to be wholly seduced spiritually (our minds corrupted) as she was literally...wholly seduced.

We know that the "serpent" isn't a talking snake but rather is....

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

What did his angels do?

Genesis 6:1-4 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The sons of God, the fallen angels "took wives" and that produced "giants in the earth." They are written of in....

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

The Sons of God are the angels that kept not their first estate. They are "under darkness" and Darkness is...the serpent/Satan. They are chained to him figuratively until the "great day." Satan is the king of the fallen angels. As the sons of God produced "giants" by mixing with women....so did their leader.

Jesus explained this to us if we are blessed to see....

Matthew 13:16-17 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

13:24-29 Another parable put He forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them,An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

The tares are to be left alone...they have a job to do. The tares are sons of Cain and as he was not to be killed..neither are they, until the proper time.

Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

13:36-40 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Not all will hear this...not all can hear His words for He said...

John 8:43-45 Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe Me not.

Some are literally, genetically of their father the devil, while others are figuratively his children...children of darkness. The first murderer and liar (from the beginning) was both...Cain and Satan. Satan murdered Adam and Eve for they were no longer spiritually living when they listened to his deception. Cain literally murdered his half brother Able. Satan lied to Eve when he said "ye shall not surely die" and she did surely die within one of the Lord's days. Cain lied to God when asked "where is Abel thy brother," for he answered, "I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?"

Murderers and liars from the beginning...like father like son.

HisSparkPlug · Oct 14, 2013

Messy said:
There was a preAdamic race, they found the rests and they were cannibals. Now they're demons looking for a body to posess. Fallen angels don't need a human or animal body. The legion wasn't a legion of fallen angels. Why would a fallen angel who never had a mortal body want to go into a swine?

Those weren't pre-adamic. Those are the Nephilim which existed during the times of humans and Noah. The Nephilim were cannibals - the bible says they even ate each other.. but they were not pre-adamic

HisSparkPlug · Oct 14, 2013

YeShallTread said:
I will let our Father answer the question for He said...
Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Many deny this when taught but His Word tells the tale. What He has given us is written, is truth, and stands on it's own.

First, you will not find Cain listed in the "generations of Adam," [Gen.5] for he was not a son of Adam or he would be there. As for the serpent and his seed....

Genesis 3:14-15 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

What did the serpent do to cause such anger? Did he entice Eve to take a bite of an apple? God tells us through Paul...

2 Corinthians 11:2-4 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Beguiled is to "wholly seduce." This is literally and/or figuratively. Eve was the wife of Adam and yet she was beguiled by the serpent. As she was to remain chaste to her husband, we are to be presented as chaste to Christ...we are not to be wholly seduced spiritually (our minds corrupted) as she was literally...wholly seduced.

We know that the "serpent" isn't a talking snake but rather is....
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

What did his angels do?
Genesis 6:1-4 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The sons of God, the fallen angels "took wives" and that produced "giants in the earth." They are written of in....
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

The Sons of God are the angels that kept not their first estate. They are "under darkness" and Darkness is...the serpent/Satan. They are chained to him figuratively until the "great day." Satan is the king of the fallen angels. As the sons of God produced "giants" by mixing with women....so did their leader.

Jesus explained this to us if we are blessed to see....
Matthew 13:16-17 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

13:24-29 Another parable put He forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them,An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

The tares are to be left alone...they have a job to do. The tares are sons of Cain and as he was not to be killed..neither are they, until the proper time.

Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

13:36-40 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Not all will hear this...not all can hear His words for He said...

John 8:43-45 Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe Me not.

Some are literally, genetically of their father the devil, while others are figuratively his children...children of darkness. The first murderer and liar (from the beginning) was both...Cain and Satan. Satan murdered Adam and Eve for they were no longer spiritually living when they listened to his deception. Cain literally murdered his half brother Able. Satan lied to Eve when he said "ye shall not surely die" and she did surely die within one of the Lord's days. Cain lied to God when asked "where is Abel thy brother," for he answered, "I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?"

Murderers and liars from the beginning...like father like son.

Thanks for explaining your take & providing scriptures.. It is certainly interesting. I don't really agree, but this is one of those things that isn't all that important in the light of eternity in my opinion.

squint · Oct 14, 2013

Rick Otto said:
My formal knees are knockin' with formal fear.
I may break out in a formal sweat.

I always enjoy opening that particular can O' worms.

and yeah, I called it formal because just about every main line sect on the planet is smart enough to figure out the easy ones...and this is one of those easy ones.

you'd actually be surprised at how much old heresy is making a comeback. it just never seems to end.

This particular one was nailed early in church history by Irenaeus.

It's held today mostly by white supremacists and or the christian identity movement and is often used as a basis to target Jews, them being decendants of Cain/Kennites, supposedly. A. Murray is the most widely known open proponent.

I had my first exposure to this nonsense early in the charismatic movement from various splinters of the christian identity movement.

You usually don't get the full story from these various proponents. They are basically fed the information over many long amen sessions...

and she seemed like such a nice person.

s

Messy · Oct 14, 2013

William Branham taught that too, that Eve had sex with the snake. Must have been a real handsome snake. Stupid that Adam didn't get jealous and still put her above God. They became one: one nature, like we can be one with God, Christ and the bride, it's the same word as used for sex, but it's spiritual. Adam and Eve had half God's nature and half the serpent's nature after the fall, that's why Abel was righteous and Cain wasn't.

For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.[e] 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Another parable He put forth to them, saying: The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares? 28 He said to them, An enemy has done this.

By the way if eating fruit meant she had sex with the serpent, Adam would have had it too.
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

Messy · Oct 14, 2013

Back on topic: geological proof for a preAdamic race:
The Bible, Genesis & Geology

Tzaousios · Oct 14, 2013

YeShallTread said:
I will let our Father answer the question for He said...

YeShallTread said:
Many deny this when taught but His Word tells the tale. What He has given us is written, is truth, and stands on it's own.

YeShallTread said:
Jesus explained this to us if we are blessed to see....

YeShallTread said:
Not all will hear this...not all can hear His words for He said...

So, if someone does not accept the Serpent Seed doctrine, does that mean that they reject Scripture and do not have eyes to see or ears to hear?

HisSparkPlug · Oct 14, 2013

Messy said:
By the way if eating fruit meant she had sex with the serpent, Adam would have had it too.
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

Yeah, this is what I was wondering about too - Did Eve convince Adam to have sex with satan also?

YeShallTread · Oct 14, 2013

squint said:
This little gem right here:

"The Sons of God are the angels that kept not their first estate. They are "under darkness" and Darkness is...the serpent/Satan. They are chained to him figuratively until the "great day." Satan is the king of the fallen angels. As the sons of God produced "giants" by mixing with women....so did their leader. "

That is the essence of the heresy of THE SERPENT SEED theories. That Satan had physical sexual relations either with Eve or other women.

Which is utterly toxic theology. But a lot of people make good money peddling it I hear. I'm not going to bother going back and digging out your quotes that you were not going to go where you actually went.

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Again Squint, you are saying Scripture isn't correct. You are putting your idea of what is right over what is written. So, call it what you want...I call it the Word of the Lord but as I said, not all are able to hear it...as you have just demonstrated.

1. Are sons of God angelic or spiritual beings?
2. Did sons of God "marry" women?
3. Did that union produce giants?
4. Is Satan also a spiritual being?
5. Is Satan the leader of the fallen angels?

I ask, where is the fallacy, where is the heresy? I quoted all Scriptures so if you have a problem...you have a problem with the Word of the Lord. As far as I can see it is you that can't deal with truth.

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