Was Paul water Baptized in Acts 9:17 ?

[dan p]

dan p wrote:



I will give it another try. John the Baptist preached for salvation the kingdom gospel which included water baptism. Peter also preached this. Paul being saved by the kingdom gospel was then baptized with water. As for the verses, read Matthew and Acts.

Hi , and I will also try again , where is that SPECIFIC verse where SAUL was saved under the Gospel of the Kingdom preaching ????

And who preached that Gospel to him ????

dan p

 

[riverrat]

dan p wrote:

Hi , and I will also try again , where is that SPECIFIC verse where SAUL was saved under the Gospel of the Kingdom preaching ????

Acts 9:3-18

And who preached that Gospel to him ????

Preaching? Since you seem to be hung up on the "preaching", then Christ preached to him on the road and Ananias in Damascus.

I think that I just realized that you do not think that Paul was saved until Christ revealed the gospel of grace to him in Arabia. Is this your thinking?

 

[dan p]

dan p wrote:



Acts 9:3-18



Preaching? Since you seem to be hung up on the "preaching", then Christ preached to him on the road and Ananias in Damascus.

I think that I just realized that you do not think that Paul was saved until Christ revealed the gospel of grace to him in Arabia. Is this your thinking?

Hi , and praise the Lord , that is how it happened .!!!


Before Jesus death and resurrection WHAT GOSPEL WAS BEING PREACHED , before Acts 9:6 , Repentance and Water !!!!

SAUL was a Phraisee and kept the Law of Moses , BLAMELESS , DAN P

 

[riverrat]

Dan P : So I assume we can agree that if Paul was saved at Damascus it was by the kingdom gospel and if he was saved in arabia it was by the gospel of grace?

 

[dan p]

Dan P : So I assume we can agree that if Paul was saved at Damascus it was by the kingdom gospel and if he was saved in arabia it was by the gospel of grace?

Hi , and NO , as SAUL was saved by Grace and 1 Tim 1:15 and 16 and 1 Cor 15:8 and Rom 1:1 all prove that SAUL was the first member of the Body of Christ and NEVER was a Law keeper or became a PHARISEE ever again !!!

The Gospel of the Kingdom is NOT the same as the Dispensation of the Grace of God , Acts 20:24 and Eph 3:2 , dan p

 

[riverrat]

Dan P wrote:

Hi , and NO , as SAUL was saved by Grace and 1 Tim 1:15 and 16 and 1 Cor 15:8 and Rom 1:1 all prove that SAUL was the first member of the Body of Christ and NEVER was a Law keeper or became a PHARISEE ever again !!!

NONE of the verses you refer to state that Paul was the first member of the body of Christ. He was the first member but these verses do not state it.

Dan, in your opinion where and when was Paul saved?

 

[dan p]

Dan P wrote:



NONE of the verses you refer to state that Paul was the first member of the body of Christ. He was the first member but these verses do not state it.

Dan, in your opinion where and when was Paul saved?

Hi riverrat , and 1 Tim 1:15 and 16 that Paul was the PROTO/FIRST member and a Pattern to all who followed Paul in salvation , verse 16 !!

PROTOS means First and not Chief , sorry !!

Rom 1:1 , is my scripture , that also proves that Paul was saved in Acts 9:6 , but also proves that Paul APHRORIZO /SEPARATED to only preach the Gospel of God .

APHORIZO can be translated by 3 English words ;

#1 , separated
#2 , boundries
#3 , limited

This Greek word is in the Greek Perfect Tense which means ;

#1 , Past Action , where SAUL is saved !!


#2 , The Continuing Results are always in the Present tense , which it continues , until Paul death !!

#3 , The Perfect tense also means Saul can never go back to being a Law Keeper ever again !!

#4 , OR EVER preach the Law or go back to being a Pharisee EVER again .
dan p

 

[riverrat]

Dan P, I say again and again, if Paul was saved on the road to Damascus he had to be saved by the kingdom gospel because there was no gospel of grace at that time. Being saved by the kingdom gospel does not mean that he was not the first member of the body of Christ. I agree with you that he was the first member of the body but he was still saved by the kingdom gospel.

 

[dan p]

Dan P, I say again and again, if Paul was saved on the road to Damascus he had to be saved by the kingdom gospel because there was no gospel of grace at that time. Being saved by the kingdom gospel does not mean that he was not the first member of the body of Christ. I agree with you that he was the first member of the body but he was still saved by the kingdom gospel.

Hi riverrat , and here is what you need see for yourself to be believe or reject .

#1 , Who , by CONTEXT preached to SAUL ?

#2 , Who preached the Gospel of the Kingdom to SAUL ??

#3 , Where is that verse where SAUL was preached that Gospel ??

#4 , What are the TERMS of salvation under the Gospel of the Kingdom ??

#5 , IF SAUL was saved under the Kingdom Gospel , THEN WHERE IS THAT VERSE THAT SH0WS WHERE SAUL WAS CONVERTED FROM KINGDOM TO GRACE ????

It , looks like we are in agreement , accept by the False premise that Saul was saved under the Kingdom Gospel and I have talked to some Grace pastors and they can NOT answer what I have just written to you .

This shows that and un-educated one like me can stump them highly educated ones . If you can answer these to your satisfcation , you are on your way to being a PAULINE DISPENSATIONALIST , BEST TO YOU , dan p

 

[riverrat]

Dan P : You have not stumped this uneducated one. How could Paul be saved on the road to Damascus by the gospel of grace when the gospel of grace did not exist at that time?

 

[dan p]

Dan P : You have not stumped this uneducated one. How could Paul be saved on the road to Damascus by the gospel of grace when the gospel of grace did not exist at that time?

Hi , and where do you think that the Grace of God began ???

I have already shown you that Paul could only preach the Gospel of God in Rom 1:1 !!!

dan p

 

[riverrat]

Dan P: I see that you can't answer my question so I will no longer continue this discussion.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

a nd doesnt this go against your words at bottom. why do we fight over words not their and ignore the ones that are. You say its a built assumption. would that be because its not written ther way your saying it?

By built-in assumption, I mean that's what the word mean, if we are to define it's meaning, we would automatically assume water, because baptizmo means to be submerged in water. But, we don't say "be "submerged in water" everyone of you for the remission of sins....", it's just when you read over the word baptism, you automatically know that it means is "submerged in water".

Baptism is in scripture and the meaning of baptism means submerged, so no, it doesn't go against what I said in my signature.

 

[linssue55]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]No, not by water. Paul was baptized by God the Holy Spirit, with "The Filling of the Holy Spirit..[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]Acts 9: [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: Paul was such a tremendous man. He knew exactly all the sufferings he would have to go through, but of his free will, he decided to serve the Lord in spite of them.}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]17~~And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house, and putting his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto you in the way as you came, has sent me, that you might LOOK UP, and be filled with the Holy Spirit."[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: In this unique 'pre-canon' period of time, the filling of the Holy Spirit was usually from an apostle to a believer. Here we have an apostle receiving the filling of the Holy Spirit from an honorable layman.}[/FONT]


Baptism of the Holy Spirit.....Rom 8: 1-2, Rom 8: 38-39, 1 Cor 15:2, 1 Cor 12:13, John 5: 11-12

 

[daydreamergurl15]

Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Baptism of water is the same thing ([after Christ's death]--John's baptism of water did not include the Holy Spirit but it did include the remission of sins).
Some people seem to think that what happened in Acts 10, is something altogether special that continues to happen now-a-days and it's not. It was specifically told to us that

While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit has been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered, "can anyone forbid water, that these should NOT BE BAPTIZED who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" And he commanded them TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord. then they asked him to stay a few days.​

--Acts 10:44-48

Even though the Holy Spirit was poured out on them, Peter still commanded them to be baptized. Why? Why were they to be baptized if the "water" part of baptism is not important?

If you look at that scene and see what it stood for, it was the first time that the Jews saw that even Gentiles would be part of the Kingdom. Peter's vision was a sign telling them that the Kingdom of God have opened up to the Gentiles:

"And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. Then I remembered the word of the Lord how He said, 'John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' "If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?" When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance of life."
Acts 11:15-18​

Some might be really tempted to say "see it specifically says "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" and therefore baptism of water is not necessary," but I ask you please don't think that. Because if that were the case, Peter would not have asked them to actually be baptized, after they have received the gift of the Holy Spirit.

As for Romans 8:1-2; 38-39, 1 Cor 12:13; 15:2 and John 5:11-12 (I'm not sure if John 1:11-12 is the correct verse you were trying to use) these verses does not necessary speak about the idea of baptism of the Holy Spirit...more of less it tells us about salvation. Especially in 1 Corinthians 15:2 when Paul tells us that the gospel of which he spoke saved us, baptism is part of the gospel of which he preached.

 

[dan p]

Hi , and what was hapenning at Acts 10:46 , Baptism was still in effect , but today it is Grace and Eph 4:5 says ONE BAPTISM and it is not water as Paul does not command believers to be Baptized , dan p