Was Paul water Baptized in Acts 9:17 ?

[Hismessenger]

I believe that if you look at Paul's life and his epistles, especially Ephesians, it should be easy to conclude that water baptism is not speaking about physical water but the water of the word. Acts 9:17 speaks of Ananias laying hands upon Paul that he might receive his sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost. Too many make the assumption in 9:18 that where it says he arose and was baptized that he went seeking water to be dunked in when in fact the verse before tells us simply that once he received his sight, he was to be filled with the Holy Ghost/Baptism of the spirit.

If this were not the case why would Paul mislead new converts in Ephesians and say to them One baptism instead of two as is wrongly assumed. The baptism is with the spirit. That's the only one that counts because being dunked in water does not change the heart. Only the spirit can do that.

hismessenger

 

[daydreamergurl15]

I believe that if you look at Paul's life and his epistles, especially Ephesians, it should be easy to conclude that water baptism is not speaking about physical water but the water of the word. Acts 9:17 speaks of Ananias laying hands upon Paul that he might receive his sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost. Too many make the assumption in 9:18 that where it says he arose and was baptized that he went seeking water to be dunked in when in fact the verse before tells us simply that once he received his sight, he was to be filled with the Holy Ghost/Baptism of the spirit.

If this were not the case why would Paul mislead new converts in Ephesians and say to them One baptism instead of two as is wrongly assumed. The baptism is with the spirit. That's the only one that counts because being dunked in water does not change the heart. Only the spirit can do that.

hismessenger

Baptism if βαπτίζω (baptizo) in Greek meaning immersion. Strong's Greek: 907. βαπτίζω (baptizó) -- to dip, sink
Baptism is immersion in water.
Even Christ's baptism, He went to the Jordan and scripture tells us that "He came up out of the water"--Matthew 3:16 and Christ did this to "fulfill all righteousness"--vs. 15

And let's look at what happened when Ananias came into the picture...

And Ananias went this way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.--Acts 19:17-18​

Ananias was sent so that Saul could have two things
1.) Saul's sight--He immediately received it in verse 18
2.)Be filled with the Holy Spirit--(you can think of it two ways) He received it when baptized verse 18 or when Ananias laid hands on him--(but be careful, scripture doesn't tell us he received it then), two other places in scripture when they speak about laying of hands, it tell you specifically that they received the Holy Spirit...(Acts 8:18 and Acts 19:6)
But if you think he received it through baptism, this is one reason why.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.​

 

[Hismessenger]

Tts 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Tts 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Why is it that the carnal side of the word is always that which is made the most of. The water is the word and I posted only a couple of verses of which you can find many more if you truly want to know the word for yourself.

The immersion is in the Holy spirit, not water for there are times where there may not be water available. So does that prevent your ONE BAPTISM as Paul stated from being able to occur.

hismessenger

 

[daydreamergurl15]

Why is it that the carnal side of the word is always that which is made the most of. The water is the word and I posted only a couple of verses of which you can find many more if you truly want to know the word for yourself.

The immersion is in the Holy spirit, not water for there are times where there may not be water available. So does that prevent your ONE BAPTISM as Paul stated from being able to occur.

hismessenger

Water is the most abundant resource in the world, and no one should hold the excuse that "water isn't available therefore I am not going to get baptized." The word baptizmo means immersion in water. So, go find water....Jesus got baptized in the Jordan, the Eunuch found water and got baptized, it doesn't matter where the water is, it matters that there is water and that someone believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[Hismessenger]

What happened to Christ immediately after he was water baptized? Go to any bible study program and put in the two verses I gave you and see how many are actually taking about physical water as you and many others tend to believe. If you must be water baptized as you say, then what Paul said about one baptism is invalid because by what you say, there would have to be at least two baptisms, one with water and one with the spirit.

Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

Do you see anywhere in these verses where it mentions two of anything?
Do you think that Paul would mislead the people of God by saying what he did?

hismessenger

 

[Apollos1]

Extra considerations:

There -3- “voices” in the Greek language = Passive, Middle, Active.

Acts 22:16 is in the ACTIVE voice in the Greek.

What does this mean? Well… it means Paul’s baptism here was WATER baptism. Why??

The subject of the sentence is the one "doing" something when the ACTIVE voice in used… the subject ACTS upon the verb. Therefore the Holy Spirit is NOT involved here because no person can cause HS baptism to happen.

A 3rd party such as the Holy Spirit cannot be involved.

Paul in Acts 22:16 had been told to “arise, get yourself baptized, and wash away your sins.”

As such, those in Acts 2:38 (which is also in the ACTIVE voice) are literally told to “baptize yourselves” (ei. cause yourselves to be immersed).

Those in 1 Corinthians 6:11 were said to have “washed themselves”.
And yes, 1 Cor. 6:11 is also in the ACTIVE voice.

All of these parties took an ACTIVE part in DOING what they had been told to DO…
By getting themselves immersed in water!
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Titus 3:5 …

TWO things are mentioned here for salvation:

1) BY the washing of regeneration… (An act of faith.) - AND-
2) renewing of the Holy Spirit. (And act of grace.)

To say that the “washing of regeneration” is one and the same thing as HS baptism violates the language and the words used to convey the thoughts given here.

(It is of great interest that the word for washing - “loutron” is used here. More on this in future posts if needed.)

Ephesians 5:26… Again, TWO things are mentioned

Eph. 5:26 distinctly tells us that “with the word” (by the direction of the Word – which was revealed by the Spirit and therefore by the direction of the Spirit – cf. 1 Pt 1:23) we are “washed of water” (baptism), and therefore the church (the saved) are “sanctified” (set apart from the world for Christ). This is telling us precisely what is involved in the “new birth” – water and the Spirit. Succinctly, the sinner is told by the Spirit through the Word to be water baptized – be “born again” to be able to see/enter the kingdom.

It is yet another violation of language to say that the reference to water here in Ephesians 5:26 is the same as the reference made to “the word”. It is not!

 

[daydreamergurl15]

What happened to Christ immediately after he was water baptized? Go to any bible study program and put in the two verses I gave you and see how many are actually taking about physical water as you and many others tend to believe. If you must be water baptized as you say, then what Paul said about one baptism is invalid because by what you say, there would have to be at least two baptisms, one with water and one with the spirit.



Do you see anywhere in these verses where it mentions two of anything?
Do you think that Paul would mislead the people of God by saying what he did?

hismessenger

Matthew 3:13-17
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”

15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”


Mark 1:4-11
4 John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 5 Then all the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem, went out to him and were all baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.
6 Now John was clothed with camel’s hair and with a leather belt around his waist, and he ate locusts and wild honey. 7 And he preached, saying, “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose. 8 I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

9 It came to pass in those days that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 And immediately, coming up from the water, He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove. 11 Then a voice came from heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
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That's probably why most of us think it's physical water.

 

[Hismessenger]

Here are a list of scriptures which speak about water. Out of the 416 verses water is only used only 22 times in relationship to baptism. And even there in some places where it speaks of baptism it still is not talking about physical water baptism.

1. (Gen 2:10 — Gen 43:24)
2. (Gen 49:4 — Exd 32:20)
3. (Exd 34:28 — Lev 15:5)
4. (Lev 15:6 — Num 5:24)
5. (Num 5:26 — Num 21:22)
6. (Num 24:7 — Jos 7:5)
7. (Jos 9:21 — 2Sa 12:27)
8. (2Sa 14:14 — 2Ki 2:19)
9. (2Ki 2:21 — Neh 8:3)
10. (Neh 8:16 — Psa 65:10)
11. (Psa 66:12 — Isa 3:1)
12. (Isa 12:3 — Jer 9:15)
13. (Jer 9:18 — Eze 31:16)
14. (Eze 32:6 — Mat 8:32)
15. (Mat 10:42 — Jhn 3:23)
16. (Jhn 4:7 — Jam 3:12)
17. (1Pe 3:20 — Rev 22:17)

It would be of great benefit to you to look at the verses from #16, Jhn to Jam. Christ tells us in no uncertain terms what the true baptism is and it isn't being dunked under water. You can go down in the water and come back up the same way. The change is on the inside. Not the outside and it is only by the power of the Holy Spirit. There isn't one mention of Baptism as is given in the new testament that is found in the old that I can think of.

If there is will some one please post it for we are all here to learn the word of God and to use it as he would have us to.

hismessenger

 

[Apollos1]

Acts 10:47-48 shows clearly that baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is WATER baptism.

“In the name” means Christ authorized this baptism.

Acts 2:38 informs that baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (ei. water baptism)
is FOR remission of sins.

HS baptism is never said to be FOR the remission of sins or FOR salvation.

And please note the ORDER given here in Acts 2:38:

Repent / Baptism / forgiveness of sins / gift of the HS.

The baptism Christ authorized for His disciples was to be done in water…

And of course, when one considers that the ACTIVE voice is employed in passages such as Acts 2:38, it leaves no doubt b/c a third party such as the HS can not be considered as being involved.

 

[Stephen Kendall]

Hi to all and I am never be amazed by Dispensationalist who beieve that Paul was saved under

the Gospel of the Kingdom which is part of the Acts 28 position that they espouse .

It seem that all agree that something happened on the road to Damascus and then we all disagree .

Everyone see the word BAPTIZO and the disagreement begins .

Where in Acts 9 , does Christ preach to Paul to repent and be Baptized ??

Where is WATER mention in the CONTEXT ??

Where is there Water in 9:17 ?? You will not find it because it is nit there !



Where is there Water mentioned in verse 18 , NONE !

In VERSE 17 , " THOU mightest receive thy sight and be FILLED with HOLY SPIRIT . The Greek Article ( THE ) is not in the Greek text and it is talking about the POWER of the Holy Spirit .

Verse 17 is not talking about the Indwelling Holy Spirit but to be filled with the Power of the Holy Spirit so that Paul can fulfill Acts 9:15 , his commission .

I Tim 1:15 , proves that Paul was first in the Body of Christ and that " Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners , of whom I am PROTOS /FIRST , by Grace .

To nthose who believe that`Saul was saved under the Law , lets see you verses ???

Make sure that you get baptized by fire (the Holy Spirit through Jesus), for John the Baptist baptized with only water & repentance.

 

[Hismessenger]

Let me ask this for those who believe that the baptism is with water. How many days do you think it would take to baptize 3000 or 5000 people? Look at the sequence of events before and after these baptisms occur.

hismessenger

 

[daydreamergurl15]

Let me ask this for those who believe that the baptism is with water. How many days do you think it would take to baptize 3000 or 5000 people? Look at the sequence of events before and after these baptisms occur.

hismessenger

It depends on how long they can confession that "they believe that Jesus was the Son of God" and then get into the water and get baptized.

If you look at the examples in the bible about baptism, it doesn't seem that it took that long for them to go into the water and come back out. They didn't have a sermon after each baptism.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

Here are a list of scriptures which speak about water. Out of the 416 verses water is only used only 22 times in relationship to baptism. And even there in some places where it speaks of baptism it still is not talking about physical water baptism.

1. (Gen 2:10 — Gen 43:24)
2. (Gen 49:4 — Exd 32:20)
3. (Exd 34:28 — Lev 15:5)
4. (Lev 15:6 — Num 5:24)
5. (Num 5:26 — Num 21:22)
6. (Num 24:7 — Jos 7:5)
7. (Jos 9:21 — 2Sa 12:27)
8. (2Sa 14:14 — 2Ki 2:19)
9. (2Ki 2:21 — Neh 8:3)
10. (Neh 8:16 — Psa 65:10)
11. (Psa 66:12 — Isa 3:1)
12. (Isa 12:3 — Jer 9:15)
13. (Jer 9:18 — Eze 31:16)
14. (Eze 32:6 — Mat 8:32)
15. (Mat 10:42 — Jhn 3:23)
16. (Jhn 4:7 — Jam 3:12)
17. (1Pe 3:20 — Rev 22:17)

It would be of great benefit to you to look at the verses from #16, Jhn to Jam. Christ tells us in no uncertain terms what the true baptism is and it isn't being dunked under water. You can go down in the water and come back up the same way. The change is on the inside. Not the outside and it is only by the power of the Holy Spirit. There isn't one mention of Baptism as is given in the new testament that is found in the old that I can think of.

If there is will some one please post it for we are all here to learn the word of God and to use it as he would have us to.

hismessenger

Baptism has a built in assumption that water is involved, because the word baptism means baptizmo or Immersion.
Immersed in what? For the Christian, water and the Spirit.

 

[Schroeder]

Baptism has a built in assumption that water is involved, because the word baptism means baptizmo or Immersion.
Immersed in what? For the Christian, water and the Spirit.

Christ uses it in Luke to mean to be immersed or joined. thats what it actually means. Christ said he had a baptism to endure that the apostles could not. it was his sacrifice. That is the baptism we undergo in our Spirit baptism. thats what rom 6 talks about. Spiritually going through Christ death on the cross. Thats why JTB says i baptize with water but the one after me will baptize with the Spirit. Immersion doesnt mean water. its about uniting with something. Read john 7:38-39. this is our baptism. this is mark 16:16. eph 1:13-14. gal 3;2,14,22. rom 6. all of rom 8. Its john 3:3-8,16-18. Its what JTB spoke of. It tells us how and when we receive the Spirit baptism.

 

[Schroeder]

Baptism has a built in assumption that water is involved, because the word baptism means baptizmo or Immersion.
Immersed in what? For the Christian, water and the Spirit.

a nd doesnt this go against your words at bottom. why do we fight over words not their and ignore the ones that are. You say its a built assumption. would that be because its not written ther way your saying it?

 

[riverrat]

Paul was saved by believing the kingdom gospel, that Jesus was the Messiah. This required that he repent and be baptized with water as per John the Baptist's preaching. Now in the age of grace when we believe the Gospel that Paul preached(that Christ died for our sins, was buried and arose the third day) the Holy Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ. This is not water baptism but spiritual baptism.

 

[dan p]

Paul was saved by believing the kingdom gospel, that Jesus was the Messiah. This required that he repent and be baptized with water as per John the Baptist's preaching. Now in the age of grace when we believe the Gospel that Paul preached(that Christ died for our sins, was buried and arose the third day) the Holy Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ. This is not water baptism but spiritual baptism.

Hi , riverrat , so where is that verse where SAUL was saved under Kingdom preaching ???? dan p

 

[riverrat]

dan p wrote:

Hi , riverrat , so where is that verse where SAUL was saved under Kingdom preaching ???? dan p http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=58499915

http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=58499915 Acts 9:1-20

 

[dan p]

dan p wrote:

[/url] Acts 9:1-20

Hi , and you have not shown how Paul was Baptized NOR by CONTEXT shown where the WATER IS ???

All will see that the Greek Article in NOT USED in " be filled with Holy Spirit " !!

It is talking about the POWER OF HOLY SPIRIT POWER as also referenced in John 20:22 , " Receive ye Holy Spirit " where rge Greek ARTICLE " THE " IS ALSO LEFT OUT , DAN P

 

[riverrat]

dan p wrote:

Hi , and you have not shown how Paul was Baptized NOR by CONTEXT shown where the WATER IS ???

All will see that the Greek Article in NOT USED in " be filled with Holy Spirit " !!

It is talking about the POWER OF HOLY SPIRIT POWER as also referenced in John 20:22 , " Receive ye Holy Spirit " where rge Greek ARTICLE " THE " IS ALSO LEFT OUT , DAN P

I will give it another try. John the Baptist preached for salvation the kingdom gospel which included water baptism. Peter also preached this. Paul being saved by the kingdom gospel was then baptized with water. As for the verses, read Matthew and Acts.