Was Jesus "Woke"?

[Akita Suggagaki]

It seems to me that Woke is a thing of saying there have been groups of people who have been treated very badly and they need to be treated right.

And of course this is true of black people. They have been treated badly, but not because of doing what is evil.

But there are ones who have done what is wrong and then they have been treated in an evil way because they have done what is evil. And Woke is correct to say they must not be treated badly.

After all, Jesus has been compassionate with evil doers; Jesus died on the cross for any and all evil people > we all were born wrong and therefore all qualify for the welfare of God's mercy and healing us of any sin problems >

Jesus is our Great Physician who can heal us of any evil feelings and wrong preferences and dominating drives in us. Jesus wants us to have hope of being healed of any problems we have because of sin.

But there is a form of Woke which excuses certain wrong people to keep doing what is evil. Yes, such people need to be treated kindly, but not excused to keep doing what is bad.

And therefore it is discrimination to say there is no hope of certain people being healed of their sin problems, while others of us do have hope. And Woke does claim that certain evil doers are ok and do not need how Jesus died for us > this is a hate crime, to say that any wrong person does not need Jesus.

So, Woke is a hate doctrine, if it is saying that certain groups of people can not be expected to change from their sinning. And it is discrimination, how certain Woke people say certain wrong people can not be expected to be healed by God into how Jesus has us become and love.

So, yes gays should be treated right, but we must not discriminate against them by claiming they don't need the forgiveness of Jesus on the cross while the rest of us do need forgiveness. And do not discriminate against them by thinking God does not want to heal them of their sin problems while the rest of us can be healed of any sin trouble in our personalities and emotions and relating.

If we discriminate against them by claiming they do not need forgiveness, or by believing God is not interested in healing them of sin problems, this is a hate crime!! And there is Woke stuff which promotes this while accusing people of hating gays if we encourage them that Jesus wants them and wants to correct them to be and to love like Jesus.

Complex, is it not?

There is a long list of issues currently dividing America which includes
immigration reform,
political correctness,
public education,
a redefinition of marriage-and-the-family,
secularism,
transgender rights,
single-parent households,
critical race theory

And there is a continuum of responses to each issue.

What else touches upon "woke" what else comes to mind?

Let's look more closely at the fork in the road that divides us.

 

[Lukaris]

Woke seems like a contradiction in manipulative, deluded, empty idealism of human whims like in the “we believe”, alleged, social justice yard signs.

https://www.amazon.com/Krouterebs-Vintage-Science-Matter-Sign-Aluminum/dp/B09XX517PC/ref=asc_df_B09XX517PC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693308331010&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15257778260086714082&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9007132&hvtargid=pla-1704996048918&psc=1&mcid=9f22ff69eac33fc58109aedf05256aff&gad_source=1

It seems more a lie of imaginary compassion that has no tolerance for any disagreement.

Examples, to me, are if a person says “all lives matter” then the sign adherents will get mad and accuse such sentiment as “hate.” Or if science is to some people that humans are male or female ( what was once “common sense”) is probably “hate.” Or the Christian definition of love ( 1 John 4:8,1 Corinthians 13:1-13) cannot be in agreement with “love is love”. The sign says, “no human is illegal” does that mean there are no laws to be obeyed in society ( in contradiction to Romans 13:1-7)? etc.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Just a few things I've experienced from the left, who are the epitome of WOKE.

WOKEism in our time means defining love by affirming immoral behavior.
It means justice for one group by being unjust toward another group.
It's about one group obtaining power over others, and it fits right in with
the Marxist Socialistic ideology. Anticapitalism is the corner stone of the
left.

Wokeism is the ideology of the left, where they want government to enforce
their demands and have made laws to do so. They want to have people fired
who don't follow their ideology in the workplace or in education. They want to
define acceptable speech and are firmly opposed to freedom of speech.

Leftists view the nuclear of the family is bad, religion (Judaism and Christianity) are bad
while Islam(currently), paganism, wicca and atheism are good and must be celebrated.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Just a few things I've experienced from the left, who are the epitome of WOKE.

WOKEism in our time means defining love by affirming immoral behavior.
It means justice for one group by being unjust toward another group.
It's about one group obtaining power over others, and it fits right in with
the Marxist Socialistic ideology. Anticapitalism is the corner stone of the
left.

Wokeism is the ideology of the left, where they want government to enforce
their demands and have made laws to do so. They want to have people fired
who don't follow their ideology in the workplace or in education. They want to
define acceptable speech and are firmly opposed to freedom of speech.

Leftists view the nuclear of the family is bad, religion (Judaism and Christianity) are bad
while Islam(currently), paganism, wicca and atheism are good and must be celebrated.

Thanks, Jim. I appreciate your honesty. But it seems to me you isolate some leftist extremist form of "woke". Of course that helps to understand the anger and energy some have towards it.

But tell me, Am I woke if I refuse to use the N word and am offended when others do? Is that opposition to free speech?

Is it woke to insist upon civil rights? Is that demanding the government enforce leftist laws?

Is it woke to desire the separation of religion and government?

Is it woke to desire safety in the workplace free of harassment, exploitation and verbal intimidation?

Is it woke to let people live the way they want to live if they are not hurting anybody? (e.g, same sex relationships, interracial relastionships, etc?

 

[Tuur]

Yes, he called people to repent. All people. He excluded no one. Not even Pharisees.
He also taught with his life example.

Yes, He did, and He called out the virtue signaling of that place and time. Also recall He took no sides between the Pharisees and the Sadducees. The main thing is why He came to begin with wasn't for some political or social ideology. Too often we're willing to say "God's on our side" and never once ask "Are we on God's?"

 

[AlexB23]

Guys, this calls for a Babylon Bee episode...


Duration: 6 minutes [Genre: Satire, age rating: 15+ due to satirical statements]

Summary: The video contains a satirical reinterpretation of biblical passages, using modern political and cultural references to comment on contemporary issues such as politics, gender identity, health care, and social justice. Some key points include mocking suggestions for violence against political opponents, denial of access to healthcare based on race or socioeconomic status, the creation of numerous made-up gender identities, advocacy for wealth redistribution, support for specific political candidates and policies, criticism of progressive movements, and promotion of a book titled "Woke Jesus" by author Lucas Miles. It seems intended to provoke thought and humor through its absurdity, while making serious comments about society and religion.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Thanks, Jim. I appreciate your honesty. But it seems to me you isolate some leftist extremist form of "woke". Of course that helps to understand the anger and energy some have towards it.

But tell me, Am I woke if I refuse to use the N word and am offended when others do? Is that opposition to free speech?

Is it woke to insist upon civil rights? Is that demanding the government enforce leftist laws?

Is it woke to desire the separation of religion and government?

Is it woke to desire safety in the workplace free of harassment, exploitation and verbal intimidation?

Is it woke to let people live the way they want to live if they are not hurting anybody? (e.g, same sex relationships, interracial relastionships, etc?

No to all your questions, that's not what WOKE ideology is.

Using the N word is racist, and not advocated by conservatives nor liberals.

Civil rights are for everyone, not just one group of people. You don't have civil
rights by removing rights from one group and giving them to others. It's not
about preferential rights which the US Constitution "equal establishment" clause prevents.

Safety in the workplace? Who advocates danger in the workplace?

I believe you're confusing "liberal" with "leftist (i.e. WOKE)' ideology.

Dennis Prager states the difference best.

Former Pope Benedict defined the difference between classic liberalism and
conservatism. He wrote that to see the need for something to change, requires
a progressive mindset. To maintain the status quo, is what conservatism is about.
Conservatives do not oppose change but seek rational explanation for the need to change.

Keep in mind that here in the US, liberalism and conservativism are different than
the classic definitions of the two. The two have more to do with group identity more
than the classic definitions of the two words.

 

[zippy2006]

I believe you're confusing "liberal" with "leftist (i.e. WOKE)' ideology.

Right. There are two basic definitions of "woke." One comes from the pro-woke, and the other comes from the anti-woke. Jesus is not woke on either definition (I gave the pro-woke definition here). The OP is giving false definitions. They are doing something like, "Woke means 'having hair'. Jesus had hair, therefore he was woke." The problem is that the definition is simply false. Woke does not mean having hair, or "treating people with courtesy," or whatnot.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Safety in the workplace? Who advocates danger in the workplace?

A workplace where people feel uncomfortable because of sexist or racist language or behavior, for example.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The OP is giving false definitions.

OP did not give a definition. It asked questions in hopes of a discussion about unspoken but widely held definitions.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

A workplace where people feel uncomfortable because of sexist or racist language or behavior, for example.

This is more often than not, the problem for the person who feels uncomfortable rather than being made
to BE uncomfortable.

 

[zippy2006]

OP did not give a definition. It asked questions in hopes of a discussion about unspoken but widely held definitions.

You want to say that Jesus was woke and your implicit definitions have obviously been in play throughout the thread.

 

[Cis.jd]

to me, a woke is someone who whines and moans about having to do something that he/she doesn't want to conform to and also tries to find things to feel offended about because it's like street cred to them to be a victim who is oppressed.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

to me, a woke is someone who whines and moans about having to do something that he/she doesn't want to conform to and also tries to find things to feel offended about because it's like street cred to them to be a victim who is oppressed.

It's the victim/victimizer narrative that society is in. It began for me back in the 1970's and has only gotten worse.

The #MeToo movement advocated the over-reaction by predominantly females, just as transgenderism has grown
to epidemic proportions among young females. President Biden helped feed this by signing into law which prohibits
doctors for refusing to provide gender transition therapies to self-diagnosed patients who come to them.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

You want to say that Jesus was woke and your implicit definitions have obviously been in play throughout the thread.

Yes, I do lean that way and I am trying to see the other perspective by inviting other views and definitions.
Different definitions are certainly part of the division we see everywhere.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The #MeToo movement advocated the over-reaction by predominantly females,

You don't think there was just cause for women to come forward about sexual abuse? They are just making it up? Or should have dealt with it some other way?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

My Lord was not woke.

 

[Lukaris]

You don't think there was just cause for women to come forward about sexual abuse? They are just making it up? Or should have dealt with it some other way?

I believe it is agreed that in genuine cases justice should be sought. With leftists it seems that it should be on a selected basis though.

What I mean, for ex., is to compare allegations of abuse against Brett Kavanaugh and the current POTUS.
I mean with Justice Kavanaugh, it was a slam dunk for the leftists when in reality it is debunked. Meanwhile there are disturbing diaries of Ashley Biden daughter of the POTUS and the “me too”s seem nowhere to be found.

Compare:

Brett Kavanaugh - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ashley Biden's diary—everything we know

Aimee Harris was sentenced to a month in prison for her role in stealing and selling Ashley Biden's diary

www.newsweek.com

In other matters, I believe Roe v Wade should have remained the status quo even though I consider myself pro life. I would rather that true Christian churches would continue to preach pro life but realize that generations have grown unaware of Christian pro life understanding. They need education in faith and counseling instead of rash condemnation and legal chaos.

On the other hand where are the “my body my choice” advocates on matters of female infanticide in the world?

Female infanticide - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Plus leftists encourage gender confusion and genital mutilation in children. I guess female circumcision is ok also:

Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[com7fy8]

Complex, is it not?

There is a long list of issues currently dividing America which includes
immigration reform,
political correctness,
public education,
a redefinition of marriage-and-the-family,
secularism,
transgender rights,
single-parent households,
critical race theory

Things which can each have a bloc of voters very emotionally involved with each Woke thing > therefore each is a group of people easy to fool with promises and making them feel they are victims who need to be rescued and protected by Woke stuff.

A thing can be how a group can be into wrong stuff, and/or they don't need "protection" from people they don't really know.

"A righteous man regards the life of his animal,
But the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel." (Proverbs 12:10)

And there is a continuum of responses to each issue.

What else touches upon "woke" what else comes to mind?

I am not that familiar with it.

Let's look more closely at the fork in the road that divides us.

Look at this > our Apostle Paul says there is >

"the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2).

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You don't think there was just cause for women to come forward about sexual abuse? They are just making it up? Or should have dealt with it some other way?

There was some just cause for women to come forth, but it got out of control as most ideologies do.
False accusations were made and the victim/victimhood narrative took over.

Men, especially white men, are walking on eggshells in the private workplace and many
good warriors are leaving the military as the US Military has taken on the WOKE ideology.

If our military becomes incompetent in defending the nation, the US will collapse, no two
ways about it.