Originally posted by franklin
I'm afraid not BH, the trinity was not made clear during Jesus day and it was never even taught by him in any shape or form. Actually I can understand why this debate is still being discussed, it's because the majority of believers are still believing in this false teaching.
Well then how do you explain what john says?
First we all know the scripture that says that there is only one God. So God must be of atleast one substance right?
now let's get to john. First we find out that the Word is God.
John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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John 1:14-15
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John testified about Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, "He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me."'
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Now here wqe learn 2 things.
1. The Word became human.
2. John saw Him and made a particular statement when he saw Him.
John 1:25-30
25 They asked him, and said to him, "Why then are you baptizing, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"
26 John answered them saying, "I baptize in water, {but} among you stands One whom you do not know.
27 "{It is} He who comes after me, the thong of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie."
28 These things took place in Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
30 "This is He on behalf of whom I said, "After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'
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Here we find out that Jesus was the man that john the apostle said made the same statement to that John the Baptist said about the Word. Hmm. interesting huh?
Later Jesus uses a name for Himself that should only be used for God.
John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
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Here Jesus is asking God to glorify Him when Yahweh said He would not give His glory to another.
John 17:5
5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
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Here God is saying that worship is reserved for Him only.
Exod 20:2-5
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5 "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
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But Jesus accepted worship. (Mark5:6)
also jesus accepted titles about Him that are only resderved for God such as "The first and the last.", Or "The true light." (JOhn 1:9)
Here Thomas calls Jesus God.
John 20:27-29
27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing."
28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed {are} they who did not see, and {yet} believed."
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Jesus claimed to be judge of all which is a right only reserved for God. (Matt 25:31-46 and John 5:27-30)
Jesus forgave sins Himself. (Mark 2:5) Again this is an action that only God can do.
I can go on and give more references as to why Jesus is Go or give some about why the Holy Spirit is but I think this is enough. If Jesus was not God then He spoke blasphemy.
With that said here is a question for you to try to ponder and answer:
Q. If Jesus was not fully human, but had another nature that was divine, then how can he expect us to live up to his standards?
We do not have a second divine nature. If Jesus is not fully human, then this whole temptation episode is a farce.
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Well Jesus human nature was tempted and He said no. I do not understand your point here really. It is not like Jesus was not really tempted because He was fully God.