Was Jesus An Illegal Immigrant

[GeorgeKillen]

Generally speaking, if you create a planet, you're legal wherever you tread or reside.

once again I'm a couple days late but you've already said what I was about to! kudos

 

[Larry Salamander]

By your logic, I should be able to walk into any grocery store and take whatever I want, any time I want to. I should be able to do anything I please to feed myself. When I'm cold, I should be able to break into a furrier and take a mink coat. If it's raining, I should be able to break into your house and make myself comfortable, and if I need to steal something at the grocery store, I should just hop in your car and go. Who cares if it's yours? Who cares if it's illegal? After all, I NEED it.

Gleaning a field is more akin to rummaging through the dumpsters out back.

The problem was not stealing, but working on a Sabbath I thought same as a stranger might be stoned to death for gathering sticks for a fire. Its not that he was "stealing" sticks, but that he was working on the day of rest.

 

[childofGod1]

Gleaning a field is more akin to rummaging through the dumpsters out back.

The problem was not stealing, but working on a Sabbath I thought same as a stranger might be stoned to death for gathering sticks for a fire. Its not that he was "stealing" sticks, but that he was working on the day of rest.

Thank you for making that point clear. Gleaning was never illegal. Grain was purposely left in the fields for the poor, in accordance with God's commands.

Leviticus 23:22
“‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the foreigner residing among you. I am the LORD your God.’”

Christ, Lord of the Sabbath also healed a man on the Sabbath, work which the Pharisees wanted to use to condemn Him. Christ then points out the spirit of God's law, which is to do good and not evil. Immediately after the account of Christ picking grain, is this incident:

Matthew 12

9 Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10 and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to bring charges against Jesus, they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”
11 He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” 13 Then he said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

The context clarifies the meaning. Healing the sick just doesn't have a lot in common with sneaking across borders for monetary gain, does it?

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

Wasnt there another version of the story where Jesus brings up something along the lines of "what is unholy is what comes out of the mouth not what goes in"? Sorry I know I butchered that line.

 

[HBGary]

once again I'm a couple days late but you've already said what I was about to! kudos

Then you would have also been equally wrong to make such a suggestion. There is no proof to his accusation, and few alive at the time had much of a problem killing the so called 'creator' of Earth.

 

[MachZer0]

Then you would have also been equally wrong to make such a suggestion. There is no proof to his accusation, and few alive at the time had much of a problem killing the so called 'creator' of Earth.

I didn't make any accusation

 

[HBGary]

I didn't make any accusation

whatever, it does not change the fact that you posted a unprovable claim.

 

[childofGod1]

Wasnt there another version of the story where Jesus brings up something along the lines of "what is unholy is what comes out of the mouth not what goes in"? Sorry I know I butchered that line.

I don't think you butchered it at all, in some translations, you may have it almost word for word. Yes, there is a lot of similarity. Christ again points out the spirit of God's law.

Mark 7
That Which Defiles

1 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus 2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.[a])

5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[b]
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’[d] and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[e] 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.” [16] [f]
17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.) 20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

 

[MachZer0]

whatever, it does not change the fact that you posted a unprovable claim.

If you think its unprovable, then you when you meet Him, you tell the Creator that he's illegal

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

I don't think you butchered it at all, in some translations, you may have it almost word for word. Yes, there is a lot of similarity. Christ again points out the spirit of God's law.

Mark 7
That Which Defiles
snip...

Ah yes, thanks! I mixed the two stories up as I saw them giving the same essential message when it came to the law.