Denaturalization

[ViaCrucis]

I think that's located down the road we're already on.

Without serious course correction, it's not a question of if, but when.

 

[ralliann]

No, this thread about denaturalization is NOT about Israel or what its government decides;

Tje Israeli government is deciding these issues based upon "religious practice".

it is about the United States and the current administration's considering how it can strip American citizenship from Americans.

This is also about attempts to strip American Jews of their religion and practice.

One poster mentioned that the administration was considering banning dual citizenship. Since the American government cannot strip anyone of their foreign citizenship, they can only stipulate that anyone having dual citizenship either drop the other one, including Israeli, or lose their American one.

I don't know why this same moot point continues to be argued.

Because you won't accept this is about one religion, Judaism. You nor nobody else should be forcing such a decision. One can be an American Jew, and also be recognized by Israeli Jew's as welcome to become an official citizen, based upon religious faith. Always finding ways to mess with Jew's.

 

[ralliann]

I'm not sure the US government can effectively enforce that without having the power of revoking citizenship of a naturally born citizen. I don't think that's a road we want to step out on.

Especially Jew's and their status being "religious" in nature. All Jew's are ONE PEOPLE, whether in the land, out of the land. Living as citizens of various nations, they are one people. This is a slippery slope.

 

[camille70]

Trump Administration Aims to Strip More Foreign-Born Americans of Citizenship


An official with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services said it would prioritize “those who’ve unlawfully obtained U.S. citizenship.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/17/us/politics/trump-immigration-citizenship-denaturalization.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9k8.9nZh.elolMdvbweE6&smid=url-share

The guidance, issued on Tuesday to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services field offices, asks that they “supply Office of Immigration Litigation with 100-200 denaturalization cases per month” in the 2026 fiscal year. If the cases are successful, it would represent a massive escalation of denaturalization in the modern era, experts said. By comparison, between 2017 and this year to date, there had been just over 120 cases filed, according to the Justice Department.

 

[DaisyDay]

Tje Israeli government is deciding these issues based upon "religious practice".

Again, this isn't about Israel. Did you read the OP?

This is also about attempts to strip American Jews of their religion and practice.

Not at all. This is President Trump's proposal. If it were to be enacted, which is not likely, I suspect that Jews would get an exception to the American-only citizenship because this is not directed at Israeli-Americans but at all other hyphenated Americans.

Because you won't accept this is about one religion, Judaism.

Because it isn't. Read the OP and consider where this proposal came from (Trump). Trump's chief anti-immigrant advisor and policy maker is Stephen Miller who is Jewish.

The question of Israeli-American dual citizenship did not arise until page two of this thread when I asked if Jews would be the exception - no one other than you think that they would be the rule.

You nor nobody else should be forcing such a decision.

I agree, but not only concerning Israeli-American citizenship but other dual citizenships except for with enemy nations. My own brother has dual citizenship because he was born in Canada, which also has birthright citizenship, to American parents. His son was born in America to two native Americans, but is now Canadian (Montreal) due to his father's dual citizenship. Can you understand that I am against forcing anyone to chose?

One can be an American Jew, and also be recognized by Israeli Jew's as welcome to become an official citizen, based upon religious faith.

Nobody is saying otherwise. The proposal is from President Trump. Because this is from him (in all probability through Miller) I suspect that Israel would be the exception. Should Jews be treated the same as everyone else or should they get an exception to the rule?

Always finding ways to mess with Jew's.

This is purely in your imagination. Read the OP at the very least.

 

[ralliann]

Again, this isn't about Israel. Did you read the OP?

Not at all. This is President Trump's proposal. If it were to be enacted, which is not likely, I suspect that Jews would get an exception to the American-only citizenship because this is not directed at Israeli-Americans but at all other hyphenated Americans.

Because it isn't. Read the OP and consider where this proposal came from (Trump). Trump's chief anti-immigrant advisor and policy maker is Stephen Miller who is Jewish.

The question of Israeli-American dual citizenship did not arise until page two of this thread when I asked if Jews would be the exception - no one other than you think that they would be the rule.

I agree, but not only concerning Israeli-American citizenship but other dual citizenships except for with enemy nations. My own brother has dual citizenship because he was born in Canada, which also has birthright citizenship, to American parents. His son was born in America to two native Americans, but is now Canadian (Montreal) due to his father's dual citizenship. Can you understand that I am against forcing anyone to chose?

Nobody is saying otherwise. The proposal is from President Trump. Because this is from him (in all probability through Miller) I suspect that Israel would be the exception. Should Jews be treated the same as everyone else or should they get an exception to the rule?


This is purely in your imagination. Read the OP at the very least.

I was addressing your posts.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I have often thought the unhealthy obsession with Jews and Israel was strange.

 

[BCP1928]

I have often thought the unhealthy obsession with Jews and Israel was strange.

I think it has something to do with Jesus not being able to return until the Temple is rebuilt.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I think it has something to do with Jesus not being able to return until the Temple is rebuilt.

From where I'm at, it looks like organized religion has done pretty good for itself without Jesus being here. Why risk record profits? The money tables are much too large to risk turning them over now.

 

[DaisyDay]

I was addressing your posts.

What you addressed were a misunderstanding of my actual points.

 

[ralliann]

I think it has something to do with Jesus not being able to return until the Temple is rebuilt.

I don't believe that. I do believe the circumcision (Jews) is a covenant that God still keeps with them.

 

[ralliann]

What you addressed were a misunderstanding of my actual points.

It was your blatant dismissal of my points. Israel has it's own law to qualify for whom belongs to their people. It may not be a formal citizenship, but is indeed an informal (religious) and law of their nation. The implication for Jew's living in this nation, as citizens would have to DENY, is a problem.

 

[DaisyDay]

It was your blatant dismissal of my points.

It was? What was?

Your points are irrelevant to both the topic of the thread - read the OP - and to my posts because no one is saying otherwise!

Israel has it's own law to qualify for whom belongs to their people. It may not be a formal citizenship, but is indeed an informal (religious) and law of their nation.

Yes, what you state here is true. It is not informal, however, but [codified into the law of Israel as the 1950 Law of Return. This citizenship must be applied for by those not born there.

The implication for Jew's living in this nation, as citizens would have to DENY, is a problem.

Yes, if this Trump/Miller proposal were to be adopted - which seems very unlikely for this reason among others.

Where you are mistaken is your insistence that this proposal - by Trump - to forbid dual citizenship - is aimed at Jews. It is not. I suspect that this complication was overlooked. A special carve out for one nation, Israel, would seem to add to the unlikelihood of it adoption.

 

[ralliann]

It was? What was?

Your points are irrelevant to both the topic of the thread - read the OP - and to my posts because no one is saying otherwise!

Yes, what you state here is true. It is not informal, however, but [codified into the law of Israel as the 1950 Law of Return. This citizenship must be applied for by those not born there.

Yes, if this Trump/Miller proposal were to be adopted - which seems very unlikely for this reason among others.

Where you are mistaken is your insistence that this proposal - by Trump - to forbid dual citizenship - is aimed at Jews. It is not. I suspect that this complication was overlooked. A special carve out for one nation, Israel, would seem to add to the unlikelihood of it adoption.

Still don't get it do ya? Or won't

 

[DaisyDay]

Still don't get it do ya? Or won't

I've explained my points fairly exhaustively but you haven't even acknowledged any of it, whereas I have addressed each of yours - so the "won't" seems to be yours.