Was Hitler a Christian?

[LittleNipper]

So, presuming that Hitler, at some point over the course of his life, helped another person, or loved another person, then Hitler was indeed a Christian.

Hitler needed to be doing such a work because he was prompted to do so by the HOLY SPIRIT, and not self driven to prove his own worth or for his own enjoyment.

 

[elman]

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Originally Posted by JGG
So, presuming that Hitler, at some point over the course of his life, helped another person, or loved another person, then Hitler was indeed a Christian.

Hitler needed to be doing such a work because he was prompted to do so by the HOLY SPIRIT, and not self driven to prove his own worth or for his own enjoyment.

No one is perfectly good and no one is completly evil. Most of us fall somewhere on the spectrum between Mother Theresa and Hitler. That being true does not change Hitler into a loving person and it does not make Mother Theresa an evil person. What makes us a loving person or an evil person is the overall character of our lives--evil or good.

 

[LittleNipper]

Hitler killed the gays, the gypsies, the Jehovah Witnesses, the Jews, the Mormons - everyone EXCEPT the Christians.

Was he Christian? By his label, maybe. I assume that it isn't by some strange coinkydink that Christians were passed over.

Have you never read about Corrie ten Boom and her book entitled THE HIDDING PLACE. People who simply keep quite and shut their eyes, can claim to be anything they wish, but I can only imagine that they are mostly a disappointment to CHRIST. Don't you think so?

 

[rambot]

So, presuming that Hitler, at some point over the course of his life, helped another person, or loved another person, then Hitler was indeed a Christian.

Because, as we all know, only Christians can do good things. Atheists are incapable of loving or helping people.

 

[JGG]

No one who loves other? No one that helps others when they are in need?

No one is perfectly good and no one is completly evil. Most of us fall somewhere on the spectrum between Mother Theresa and Hitler. That being true does not change Hitler into a loving person and it does not make Mother Theresa an evil person. What makes us a loving person or an evil person is the overall character of our lives--evil or good.

Okay, so in order to be a Christian, what is the ratio of good to evil required? Is it better than 50%? Are certain sins or works more important than others? Should we work on a points system where stealing a loaf of bread is roughly equivelant to helping an old lady across the street? If one spends the first half of their life being a good person, can they spend the rest of their life minus a day being an evil person and still be considered Christian? How does it work?

 

[JGG]

Because, as we all know, only Christians can do good things. Atheists are incapable of loving or helping people.

Hey, don't look at me, it's elman's theory.

 

[vitodabona]

Okay, so in order to be a Christian, what is the ratio of good to evil required? Is it better than 50%? Are certain sins or works more important than others? Should we work on a points system where stealing a loaf of bread is roughly equivelant to helping an old lady across the street? If one spends the first half of their life being a good person, can they spend the rest of their life minus a day being an evil person and still be considered Christian? How does it work?

No it is even better then that you can be a complete reprehensible, despicable person 6.958 days a week, just ask for forgiveness on Sundays and everything is a ok.

 

[elman]

Okay, so in order to be a Christian, what is the ratio of good to evil required? Is it better than 50%? Are certain sins or works more important than others? Should we work on a points system where stealing a loaf of bread is roughly equivelant to helping an old lady across the street? If one spends the first half of their life being a good person, can they spend the rest of their life minus a day being an evil person and still be considered Christian? How does it work?

Yes certain sins and acts of love are more important than others. John says in first John there are sins unto death and there are sins not unto death. No one is loving enough to demand eternal life from God. If we get eternal life it will be a gift and not wages earned. If however we do not love others at all or about the same as Hitler did, scripture seems to indicate we have little or no hope of eternal life. How much love is enough for God to gift us with eternal life? God is in control. I am not.

 

[elman]

Hey, don't look at me, it's elman's theory.

It is not my theory that Atheist cannot do loving things.

 

[elman]

No it is even better then that you can be a complete reprehensible, despicable person 6.958 days a week, just ask for forgiveness on Sundays and everything is a ok.

Not my theology.

 

[JGG]

Yes certain sins and acts of love are more important than others. John says in first John there are sins unto death and there are sins not unto death. No one is loving enough to demand eternal life from God. If we get eternal life it will be a gift and not wages earned. If however we do not love others at all or about the same as Hitler did, scripture seems to indicate we have little or no hope of eternal life. How much love is enough for God to gift us with eternal life? God is in control. I am not.

That's not what I asked. What ratio of good to bad does it take to be called a Christian? I don't believe in eternal life, and I don't believe God exists, so these are moot points.

 

[elman]

Because, as we all know, only Christians can do good things. Atheists are incapable of loving or helping people.

You did not read where I said that.

 

[elman]

That's not what I asked. What ratio of good to bad does it take to be called a Christian? I don't believe in eternal life, so I don't really care.

You can be called a Christian with no loving acts, but you would not be a Christian as defined by someone who obeys the command of Jesus.I don't know there is a ratio. God is the one in charge of that.

 

[JGG]

You can be called a Christian with no loving acts, but you would not be a Christian as defined by someone who obeys the command of Jesus.I don't know there is a ratio. God is the one in charge of that.

Okay, but you claimed that Hitler was not a Christian. If you don't know what the ratio is, and "God is in charge" how do you know Hitler was not a Christian? Maybe the ratio favors fewer good acts, and Hitler made it in. On the other hand, maybe the ratio favors an impossible number of good acts, which would make my claim that there are no Christians plausible.

 

[elman]

Okay, but you claimed that Hitler was not a Christian. If you don't know what the ratio is, and "God is in charge" how do you know Hitler was not a Christian? Maybe the ratio favors fewer good acts, and Hitler made it in. On the other hand, maybe the ratio favors an impossible number of good acts, which would make my claim that there are no Christians plausible.

Anything is possible. Jesus taught we would know Christians by how they acted toward others. John said the same thing-we will know them by their love for others. Under that basis, Hitler does not seem to make the cut and Mother Theresa does. It ultimately will not be my decision.

 

[JGG]

Anything is possible. Jesus taught we would know Christians by how they acted toward others. John said the same thing-we will know them by their love for others. Under that basis, Hitler does not seem to make the cut and Mother Theresa does. It ultimately will not be my decision.

So, you agree it is possible that Hitler was Christian, and cannot say with any credibility that he was not.

 

[Tenka]

Let's see who all is to blaime for Hitler and the holocost. The Christians as you point out above, the caucasians, because most of the population was caucausians, the people who speak German, most of them did that. People who dance the polka and eat sauercraut, most of them did that. I am sure I am missing many things that are to blame for the holocaust.

But none of those other factors offer any kind of guiding life philosophy. Only the common religion does. I don't believe Christianity is to blame for what happened, but it was utterly powerless compared to the influence of a short man with a distinctive moustache.

Although since Germany is classically considered the original birthplace of scheisser-movies I don't think we can give its inhabitants too much credit in the 'right choice' department

wat?

 

[StarCannon]

... Why claim a monster for your religion?

 

[ReverendDG]

Jesus is one. I am another. You know what He and I are not the only ones. John said it in First John. Paul said it in First Cor 13. James said it. I think you have a warped view of reality, very warped. There are many loving Christians in this world, in fact most of them are trying to be in obediance to the command to love your neighbor. If you don't see that, I have to think you are refusing to see what is in front of you.

nice to know that the best you can do is insult me. i don't even think you read my post, you didn't even answer my post at all.
all you did was throw ad homs at me purely because i disagree with you on the fact that loving is not what it takes to be a christian, at least when it comes to confirming to be one.

"We need to believe that Jesus Christ is God's Son, that He died for our sins and was raised back to life and then just ask Him to forgive us. Right? Well technically that is right, but in this article I want to look deeper and see if that is really all there is to it."
http://www.behindthebadge.net/articles/a89.html from here

this is the majority of views i've seen, if this isn't true please explain how its not, it is my experience

if belief in jesus doesn't make one a christian, why call it christianity?

 

[ReverendDG]

So, you agree it is possible that Hitler was Christian, and cannot say with any credibility that he was not.

seems elman can only argue the no true scots-man fallacy, since as we all know, evil christians don't exist, only fake ones, or liars