Was Hitler a Christian?

[Zaac]

By Dinesh D'Souza
Monday, November 5, 2007

Embarrassed at the murderous legacy of atheist Communist regimes in the twentieth century, leading atheists seek to even the score with believers by portraying Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime as theist and specifically Christian. Atheist websites routinely claim that Hitler was a Christian because he was born Catholic, he never publicly renounced his Catholicism, and he wrote in Mein Kampf, “By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Atheist writer Sam Harris writes that since “the Holocaust marked the culmination of…two hundred years of Christian fulminating against the Jews,” therefore “knowingly or not, the Nazis were agents of religion.”

How persuasive are these claims? . . .

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DineshDSouza/2007/11/05/was_hitler_a_christian

Yall do realize that the majority of evangelical Christians don't consider being born Catholic the way to salvation?

Nowhere does God's Word say that being born into a denomination saves you.

If there was no confession and repentance of sin, Hitler, though born Catholic, was as lost as every other catholic, Muslim, Jew etc, who thinks that a birthright will save them.

The only birthrite that saves is the new birth that results from accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. And there can be no salvation without repentance.

 

[Phred]

No good Christians shoved anybody into the gas chambers.

No good Scotsman fallacy.

 

[JGG]

Did Hitler obey the command to love? Calling one self a Christian does not make one a Christian.

I claim that there are no Christians, only people who call themselves such.

 

[Patashu]

It doesn't matter intrinsically whether Hitler was atheist or christian or catholic or paganist.

Nothing short of a causation between his religious stance and his dictatorship will make the former blamable.

 

[elman]

I claim that there are no Christians, only people who call themselves such.

No one who loves other? No one that helps others when they are in need?

 

[LittleNipper]

By Dinesh D'Souza
Monday, November 5, 2007

Embarrassed at the murderous legacy of atheist Communist regimes in the twentieth century, leading atheists seek to even the score with believers by portraying Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime as theist and specifically Christian. Atheist websites routinely claim that Hitler was a Christian because he was born Catholic, he never publicly renounced his Catholicism, and he wrote in Mein Kampf, “By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Atheist writer Sam Harris writes that since “the Holocaust marked the culmination of…two hundred years of Christian fulminating against the Jews,” therefore “knowingly or not, the Nazis were agents of religion.”

How persuasive are these claims? . . .

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DineshDSouza/2007/11/05/was_hitler_a_christian

Hitler was not a Christian in the Biblical sense, only in the liberal sense. Christians are taught in the Bible to love the JEW because the JEW is still of GOD's chosen. He is also told to love his enemies....

 

[elman]

No good Scotsman fallacy.

Not about scotsman and not a fallacy.

 

[JGG]

No one who loves other? No one that helps others when they are in need?

Non-Christians love each other. Non-Christians help others in need. Just because people love each other, or help others does not indicate that a Christian exists.

 

[elman]

Non-Christians love each other. Non-Christians help others in need. Just because people love each other, or help others does not indicate that a Christian exists.

CHrist commanded that we love others. A Christian is one who obeys His command. Someone loving others does indicate a Christian exists.

 

[JGG]

CHrist commanded that we love others. A Christian is one who obeys His command. Someone loving others does indicate a Christian exists.

So, presuming that Hitler, at some point over the course of his life, helped another person, or loved another person, then Hitler was indeed a Christian.

 

[ReverendDG]

CHrist commanded that we love others. A Christian is one who obeys His command. Someone loving others does indicate a Christian exists.

umm that doesn't make any sense. isn't a christian someone who believes all the stuff that christians believe?
well a person who doesn't believe that stuff is not a christian, unless you have some weird version that defines a christian by actions and not by what they believe in?

oh wait, you condemn those who do bad things and believe in jesus, so i guess you do.
yeah, no true scotsman fallacy is the name of the game

 

[elman]

umm that doesn't make any sense. isn't a christian someone who believes all the stuff that christians believe?
well a person who doesn't believe that stuff is not a christian, unless you have some weird version that defines a christian by actions and not by what they believe in?

oh wait, you condemn those who do bad things and believe in jesus, so i guess you do.
yeah, no true scotsman fallacy is the name of the game

I don't think believe is defined in Christianity like most of us would define believe and that also goes for faith. Jesus clearly indicated it was not those who say lord but those who did what He commanded and He explained that further in the parable of the Good Samaritan and the last judgment scene, Matt 25:31 and following. I think Christianity when property understood is not about intellectual positions, but about compassion and loving action and a lot of scripture backs that up. Paul says in 1 Cor 13 that faith without love is worthless and John says in 1 John that we cannot be a child of God if we do not love others. So no a Christian is not one who believes a set of issues. A Christian is one who love others.

 

[vitodabona]

Wiki Has a nice article on Hitler's religious beliefs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs

 

[Beanieboy]

Hitler killed the gays, the gypsies, the Jehovah Witnesses, the Jews, the Mormons - everyone EXCEPT the Christians.

Was he Christian? By his label, maybe. I assume that it isn't by some strange coinkydink that Christians were passed over.

 

[Tenka]

Atheist websites routinely claim that Hitler was a Christian because he was born Catholic........

I find it is usually 'christians' who try to focus the crimes of Nazi Germany as being those of Hitler or the few top personalities. That is wrong, it was a group effort.
Hitler was one guy. He did not personally kill those millions of Jews, gays, gypsies, mentally and physically retarded people.
The population of Germany acted on his incitement and turned on these groups, a population mostly identifying with the Christian religion.

 

[ReverendDG]

I don't think believe is defined in Christianity like most of us would define believe and that also goes for faith. Jesus clearly indicated it was not those who say lord but those who did what He commanded and He explained that further in the parable of the Good Samaritan and the last judgment scene, Matt 25:31 and following. I think Christianity when property understood is not about intellectual positions, but about compassion and loving action and a lot of scripture backs that up. Paul says in 1 Cor 13 that faith without love is worthless and John says in 1 John that we cannot be a child of God if we do not love others. So no a Christian is not one who believes a set of issues. A Christian is one who love others.

i didn't say issues, i said beliefs, namely what every christian says you have to believe to be a christian: namely belief in jesus as god,savior,died for sins,rose from the dead after 3 days and went to heaven
is that not what christians believe? is that not what people say you have to believe to be one?
its funny, but i've never ever heard anyone, not one christian say you have to love others to be one.
not one
if love is also a matter of being a christian, then theres a very small amount of christians then, or at least theres a lot that are really confused

 

[Madcoil]

I find it is usually 'christians' who try to focus the crimes of Nazi Germany as being those of Hitler or the few top personalities. That is wrong, it was a group effort.
Hitler was one guy. He did not personally kill those millions of Jews, gays, gypsies, mentally and physically retarded people.
The population of Germany acted on his incitement and turned on these groups, a population mostly identifying with the Christian religion.

Although since Germany is classically considered the original birthplace of scheisser-movies I don't think we can give its inhabitants too much credit in the 'right choice' department...

 

[elman]

Hitler killed the gays, the gypsies, the Jehovah Witnesses, the Jews, the Mormons - everyone EXCEPT the Christians.

Was he Christian? By his label, maybe. I assume that it isn't by some strange coinkydink that Christians were passed over.

I suspect some Christians got killed by him also.

 

[elman]

i didn't say issues, i said beliefs, namely what every christian says you have to believe to be a christian: namely belief in jesus as god,savior,died for sins,rose from the dead after 3 days and went to heaven
is that not what christians believe? is that not what people say you have to believe to be one?
its funny, but i've never ever heard anyone, not one christian say you have to love others to be one.
not one
if love is also a matter of being a christian, then theres a very small amount of christians then, or at least theres a lot that are really confused

Jesus is one. I am another. You know what He and I are not the only ones. John said it in First John. Paul said it in First Cor 13. James said it. I think you have a warped view of reality, very warped. There are many loving Christians in this world, in fact most of them are trying to be in obediance to the command to love your neighbor. If you don't see that, I have to think you are refusing to see what is in front of you.

 

[elman]

I find it is usually 'christians' who try to focus the crimes of Nazi Germany as being those of Hitler or the few top personalities. That is wrong, it was a group effort.
Hitler was one guy. He did not personally kill those millions of Jews, gays, gypsies, mentally and physically retarded people.
The population of Germany acted on his incitement and turned on these groups, a population mostly identifying with the Christian religion.

Let's see who all is to blaime for Hitler and the holocost. The Christians as you point out above, the caucasians, because most of the population was caucausians, the people who speak German, most of them did that. People who dance the polka and eat sauercraut, most of them did that. I am sure I am missing many things that are to blame for the holocaust.