Was Hilter a Christian or not?

[whitestar]

YahwehisHisname
Now let me ask you this. If your daughter or neighbor or best friend was following a false religion and worshiping a sponge bob doll, is it best to let them be, and dwell in ignorance thinking their way is correct? Or is it more compassionate to expose the truth to them?

Sure I would....but the difference here is I have a personal relationship with my son...and one built on love, respect and trust. My son would be alot more willing to listen to me, then a total stranger...

Without a good relationship, he also doesn't follow the rules I lay down for him very well either. The closer we are, the more he is willing and wanting to follow those rules AND listen to me. If the only attention I paid to him was just to focus on his negative behavior...he sure will be tuning me out when later, I would try to tell him the truth. "You didn't care about me then...why bother now? And why do you always focus on the negative I do?" A relationship has to come first...one of caring and mean it.

I thank you for the kind post...and I will check out that link...

God bless
Whitestar

 

[arunma]

I never said we couldn't and no be loving but many Christians think they have the right just attack other faiths...especially attack people just because of their faith. If you study closely how Paul went about it, he didn't put then on the defense so we tend to do. Everything is in how its handled. We can speak to others of other faiths with respect and love and it doesn't mean we are accepting their beliefs.

I am not interested in personally attacking anyone. I am interested in attacking their faith. In my opinion, false religions ought to be attacked. It is possible to attack false religions without personally attacking their adherants. Not that I support his tracts, but even Jack Chick does that (except, unfortunately, in the case of Roman Catholics).

 

[Ryal Kane]

Personally I think whether Hilter was a Christian is esentially irrelevant. People can reconcile any of their own prejudices and action with religion, no matter how contradictory it seems to scripture.

Peoples adamant denial of Hitlers possible Christianity shows an insecurity and unwillingness to accept that Christians aren't infallible.

And just for fun...

 

[JGL53]

Stumbled across this quote today while web surfing - it seems relevant to the discussion. Perhaps Hitler was a good christian, after all:

“Everything Hitler did to the Jews, all the horribly unspeakable misdeeds, had already been done to the smitten people before by the Christian churches… The isolation of Jews into ghetto camps, the wearing of the yellow spot, the burning of Jewish books, and finally the burning of the people - Hitler learned it all from the church. However, the church burned Jewish women and children alive, while Hitler granted them a quicker death, choking them first with gas.”
-Dagobert Runes

 

[Nahienga]

Stumbled across this quote today while web surfing - it seems relevant to the discussion. Perhaps Hitler was a good christian, after all:

“Everything Hitler did to the Jews, all the horribly unspeakable misdeeds, had already been done to the smitten people before by the Christian churches… The isolation of Jews into ghetto camps, the wearing of the yellow spot, the burning of Jewish books, and finally the burning of the people - Hitler learned it all from the church. However, the church burned Jewish women and children alive, while Hitler granted them a quicker death, choking them first with gas.”
-Dagobert Runes

Sad but true.
Luckily not all christians ("christians") are like that. I hope.

Quite ironic too...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Stumbled across this quote today while web surfing - it seems relevant to the discussion. Perhaps Hitler was a good christian, after all:

“Everything Hitler did to the Jews, all the horribly unspeakable misdeeds, had already been done to the smitten people before by the Christian churches… The isolation of Jews into ghetto camps, the wearing of the yellow spot, the burning of Jewish books, and finally the burning of the people - Hitler learned it all from the church. However, the church burned Jewish women and children alive, while Hitler granted them a quicker death, choking them first with gas.”
-Dagobert Runes

Perhaps Hitler took the Bible a little to "literal" [like most christians/muslims today] and mistook Jerusalem in Ezek 22 for Germany

Ezekiel 22:17 The word of the LORD came to me, saying, 18 "Son of man, the house of Israel has become dross to Me; they [are] all bronze, tin, iron, and lead, in the midst of a furnace; they have become dross from silver. 19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt [it;] so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. 21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. 22 'As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so shall you be melted in its midst; then you shall know that I, the LORD, have poured out My fury on you.' "[SIZE=+2]
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Malachi 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up," Says the LORD of hosts, "That will leave them neither root nor branch.

 

[JGL53]

… Luckily not all christians ("christians") are like that. I hope.

Quite ironic too...

Well, yeah, it would be hard for me to imagine Quakers or Mennonites or High Church Episcopalians engaging in atrocities - but there are some denominations of extant christians that I wouldn't put it past - if they ever got the theocracy for which they always seem to be lobbying.

One thing has surprised me - so far no one has tried, in retaliation, to beat the atheists (on this thread) over the head with the "communists were atheists, so atheists are bad people" club.

I always look forward to that fallacy. The fact is that atheism was incidental to communism and to the communist manifesto. A person can be an atheist and HATE communism (e.g., Ayn Rand). However, reverencing the bible is a prerequisite to being a christian.

There are hundreds of atrocities (depicted in the bible) committed by humans who were commanded by (their) god to do so. All christians are then obligated to explain how they can go along with this program and yet claim to be moral leaders - as opposed to atheists who are not and never have been communists, who have no connection to communist atrocities - except by means of slander and libel directed at us.

 

[Nahienga]

One thing has surprised me - so far no one has tried, in retaliation, to beat the atheists (on this thread) over the head with the "communists were atheists, so atheists are bad people" club.

I always look forward to that fallacy. The fact is that atheism was incidental to communism and to the communist manifesto. A person can be an atheist and HATE communism (e.g., Ayn Rand). However, reverencing the bible is a prerequisite to being a christian.

There are hundreds of atrocities (depicted in the bible) committed by humans who were commanded by (their) god to do so. All christians are then obligated to explain how they can go along with this program and yet claim to be moral leaders - as opposed to atheists who are not and never have been communists, who have no connection to communist atrocities - except by means of slander and libel directed at us.

Hehe.
Atheists = communists?
Never heard that before. And I've been an atheist (or non-theistic Pagan, whatever you want to call it) for my entire life.
Oh well, Christianity never stop surprising me.

 

[Fares]

If Hitler was a christian ,
I advice all muslims not to offend us to much .
Anyway I saw on a Jewish website once that they claim that hitler was Jesus himself . That Jesus came to avenge his death . ROLF . Scary .

 

[Skillganon]

Hitler must have been a christian.
He wanted to bring the kingdom of heaven onearth by eradicating all false religion (by killing people).

 

[Nahienga]

Anyway I saw on a Jewish website once that they claim that hitler was Jesus himself . That Jesus came to avenge his death . ROLF . Scary .

Immediatley, I got an idea of a filmparody in my head... "The return of the Jesus".

 

[Fares]

I have a better theory .
Jesus is mohammed and hitler . Both of them killed jews .
Jesus will kill all those who have rejected him . ROLF .

by the way muslims its a jock , I am not comparing mohammed to hitler .

 

[Nahienga]

I have a better theory .
Jesus is mohammed and hitler . Both of them killed jews .
Jesus will revange all those who have rejected him . ROLF .

by the way muslims its a jock , I am not comparing mohammed to hitler .

And he is the creator of Microsoft - BILL GATES! *dramatic sound effects*

And he's probably Batman too.

 

[Skillganon]

Guy's I know you might not know that

but what I am about to tell you

and you might shake you'r head in denial

It will cause you a big shock from what you was led to believe,

for this is not easy to accept especially if you are a christian

for what I say only bespoke of the evil

Hitler,

The man you feared,

The man you will hate (if hate was good)

was a christian.

He killed 6 million Jews for revenge

for killing you'r beloved Jesus.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Guy's I know you might not know that but what I am about to tell you and you might shake you'r head in denial
It will cause you a big shock from what you was led to believe, for this is not easy to accept especially if you are a christian for what I say only bespoke of the evil
Hitler,
The man you feared,
The man you will hate (if hate was good)
was a christian.
He killed 6 million Jews for revenge
for killing you'r beloved Jesus.

And your point? I am a christian and I never killed anyone or ever had anyone killed. As far as I am concerned, Jesus already exacted Vengeance on the Jewish Nation in the first Century as prophecied by Jesus and the OT prophets. For others to muder and oppress those of other religions and beliefs I am sure will get their just "reward".

So what do you think we should do about it skill?

Isaiah 63:4 For the day of vengeance [is] in My heart, And the year of My redeemed has come.

Romans 12:19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but [rather] give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance [is] Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.

Matt 23:38 "See! Your House is left to you a Wilderness;

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that ALL Things which are Written may be Fulfilled.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.

Lamentations 2:1 How the Lord has covered the daughter of Zion With a cloud in His anger! He cast down from heaven to the earth The beauty of Israel, And did not remember His footstool In the day of His anger.

 

[Fares]

Guy's I know you might not know that
but what I am about to tell you
and you might shake you'r head in denial
It will cause you a big shock from what you was led to believe,
for this is not easy to accept especially if you are a christian
for what I say only bespoke of the evil
Hitler,
The man you feared,
The man you will hate (if hate was good)
was a christian.
He killed 6 million Jews for revenge
for killing you'r beloved Jesus.

ROLF . Please dont talk you are humiliating yourself .
Didn't you learn history ? Hitler was on a quest to achieve a pure arien race , pure Deutsh blood .
Not to revange Jesus's death .
He wanted to slaugther everyone, christians ( arab christians ) , muslims , hindu, etc...
Where do you learn this weird things ?

 

[cavymom]

Guy's I know you might not know that

but what I am about to tell you

and you might shake you'r head in denial

It will cause you a big shock from what you was led to believe,

for this is not easy to accept especially if you are a christian

for what I say only bespoke of the evil

Hitler,

The man you feared,

The man you will hate (if hate was good)

was a christian.

He killed 6 million Jews for revenge

for killing you'r beloved Jesus.

First of all I will say that I am a christian and I love the jewish people (out of them came my Saviour Jesus)... but I am not Roman Catholic nor do I align myself with people who would call themselves "christian" and not follow what the bible actually says.


YES Hiltler considered himself to be chtristian.... the Roman Catholic church and Pope Pious XII never even critisized him... instead they applauded hitler. In fact Pope Pious XII is called "hitlers pope' by historians and even joined hitler in the "Concordat of Collaboration". You can go ahead and google "hitler roman catholic" yourself to see the pictures if you like.


Where did Hitler get the idea to hate the Jewish people? From Martin Luther and his reformation movement, who after writing a tract against the jewish people died two days later (could very well have been a punishment from God )


A TRUE christian could read the bible and see very clearly... there was a political conspiracy against Jesus and it spurred the crucifixion plot... and that plot was carried out by the high priest Caiaphas who was a political appointee of Rome (appointed by Herod) see Matthew 26:3. As a people the jews had nothing to do with the political conspiracy against Jesus but seem to be blamed for His (Sacrifical Atoning) death.


Jesus is Jewish. To blame the jews for Jesus' death and go against the jewish people is to go against Jesus Himself. Thank God Almighty for Pope John Paul II for recognizing the churches historical error, memoralizing the holocaust and recognizing Israel.



Matthew 2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of King Herod, wise men from the east arrived unexpectedly in Jerusalem, 2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him." 3 When King Herod heard this, he was deeply disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 So he assembled all the chief priests and scribes of the people and asked them where the Messiah would be born. 5 "In Bethlehem of Judea," they told him, "because this is what was written through the prophet: 6 And you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the leaders of Judah: because out of you will come a Leader who will shepherd My people Israel. "

 

[Nahienga]

Hitler wanted to build one nation under god. With the perfect christians. With perfect chrisitans (the arien race christans, that is) there would not need to be any other laws except the bibles commandents.
A nation where there would be no handicapped people, no people with the wrong skincolour, and no people with a "false religion".
And if I remember correctly, he wanted a huge church in the center of the nation, next to a library.

Hmm... This reminds me of a certian president... *cough cough*

 

[elijah115]

Hitler wanted to build one nation under god.

If this is true, you should be able to find mainstream history sources to support you assertion! Please provide sources.

With the perfect christians. With perfect chrisitans (the arien race christans, that is)

Were in the bible does it say that perfect christians are white?

there would not need to be any other laws except the bibles commandents.

And what does the bible command wrt genocide. Quote the book, chapter and verse for each commandment please.

A nation where there would be no handicapped people, no people with the wrong skincolour, and no people with a "false religion".

What is the wrong skin colour? Where does the bible ask any human being to create such a nation? please quote it (the bible that is).

And if I remember correctly, he wanted a huge church in the center of the nation, next to a library.

Where do you remember reading this?

Hmm... This reminds me of a certian president... *cough cough*

What does Hitler and this president have in common?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Since people on my other thread, seem to want to discuss Hilter so much

This Hilter?