Was Goliath Stricken with Acromegaly?

[Ygrene Imref]

We have uncountable precedents of people exaggerating stories or simply inventing them out of thin air.

We have zero precedents of +3m tall warriors that are actually fit and fearsome.
Sounds more like a character you'ld encounter in Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones or something.

Art imitates life.

The inspiration came from *somewhere* even if it was exaggerated.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Art imitates life.
The inspiration came from *somewhere* even if it was exaggerated.

So a long time ago, somewhere in a galaxy far far away, Jedi's were using The Force to fight the empire?

 

[Ygrene Imref]

So a long time ago, somewhere in a galaxy far far away, Jedi's were using The Force to fight the empire?

Anakin Skywalker - the balancer of the force.

Anakim is the biblical name of a race of hybrid creatures of renown.

Skywalker - from the gods (Zulu.)

The Force is the permeation of all possible usable energy for manipulation, categorized and qualified by the number of midichlorians one has (how much hybrid DNA one has.)

Yes, art imitates life.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

By the way (especially in the context of Sumerian lore,) the Nephilim, Rephaim, Anakim, and/or Enim were also called Jedi.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Anakin Skywalker - the balancer of the force.

Anakim is the biblical name of a race of hybrid creatures of renown.

Skywalker - from the gods (Zulu.)

The Force is the permeation of all possible usable energy for manipulation, categorized and qualified by the number of midichlorians one has (how much hybrid DNA one has.)

Yes, art imitates life.

So, yes, the stories shouldn't be taken literally?


Now do He-Man and Skeletor.

 

[Radrook]

Goliath did not have acromegaly and its highly unlikely he suffered from what we call today gigantism. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, there are athletic individuals who are almost 8' tall and do not have a hormone imbalance that do not suffer the typical issues that others have to deal with. If the body grows correctly and in the proper proportions, I don't see there being any issues preventing a human from functioning normally(for their height) at 9'.
However, it does have its obvious disadvantages from a physics & physiological perspective. An 8-9' human certainly isn't going to have the same agility or endurance compared to someone that is 30-40% smaller. Also, the forces an 8-9' body would be subjecting itself to are going to have a greater effect on it, and it should be remembered that everyone is made out of the same material. Once you go beyond a certain size, it becomes increasingly detrimental to the point where you reach a size where the body is unable to function as it should. A comparative physiologist would probably be able to better explain it.

The simplest comparison I could think of would be building a car 60-70% bigger. Without completely redesigning/changing the engine, suspension, tires, etc., its not going to work very efficiently.

I should also point out that we're not entirely certain what the nephilim were in comparison to humans besides being much bigger in size. They could've had differences internally that allowed them capabilities that we wouldn't expect. Or perhaps not. Samson performed feats of strength that would've busted up other humans to bits. Never discount the strength of spirits(good or bad) on the physical realm.

That is true about the Nephilim, one would expect their fathers to make sure that they transmitted some superhuman characteristics into their DNA and that could have possibly allowed then to grow to sizes that are impossible for us humans to attain.

As for Samson, he isn't referred to as being of unusual stature, only as being unusually strong. But his strength is attributed to God's holy sprit, so the stresses that would have been placed on his body by carrying a city gate uphill for forty miles, breaking the ropes that bound him, killing a thousand Philistine warriors without tiring, overpowering a lion, and finally bringing down the temple of Dagon by toppling its pillars via brute forces, were nullified in one way or another.

Judges 15:14 ►
New International Version
As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands.

…15He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, so he reached out and took it and killed a thousand men with it. 16Then Samson said, "With the jawbone of a donkey, Heaps upon heaps, With the jawbone of a donkey I have killed a thousand men." 17When he had finished speaking, he threw the jawbone from his hand; and he named that place Ramath-lehi.…

Judges 14:19
Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon him mightily, and he went down to Ashkelon and killed thirty of them and took their spoil and gave the changes of clothes to those who told the riddle. And his anger burned, and he went up to his father's house.

Judges 14:6 ►
New International Version
The Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon him so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told neither his father nor his mother what he had done.

Jud 16:1-3. Samson Carries Away the Gates of Gaza.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

So, yes, the stories shouldn't be taken literally?

I didn't say that. I said exactly what I meant.

Now do He-Man and Skeletor.

I think I am done for now. Cheers.

 

[Resha Caner]

We have uncountable precedents of people exaggerating stories or simply inventing them out of thin air.

We do. We also have uncountable examples of people telling true stories. I don't see why one outweighs the other as a general principle.

We have zero precedents of +3m tall warriors that are actually fit and fearsome.

Can you show me the Bible passage that says he was fit? I don't recall it saying that. In fact, the description seems rather brief, nothing near Tolkien's verbosity. For all we know he was feeble and it was all a bluff, hence the reason David could kill him. Maybe no one had ever actually accepted Goliath's challenge. Does the Bible give the number of people Goliath had defeated? Maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't think it did. I don't know about you, but someone of that size would be intimidating in appearance alone, especially given how he was arrayed.

As for his size, there is recorded evidence of people near that height.

Are you saying it's impossible?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I didn't say that.

But that was the point of the discussion that you joined....
The whole point was that it is unlikely that such stories are literally true as opposed to seriously embelished, exaggerated, myth, legend,...

I said exactly what I meant.

I'm still not quite sure what exactly you are trying to say.

I think I am done for now. Cheers.

Having trouble with He-Man and Skeletor, ey?

What about the river Styx? What about Medusa with the snakes instead of hair?

 

[DogmaHunter]

We do. We also have uncountable examples of people telling true stories. I don't see why one outweighs the other as a general principle.

You asked me to clarify which "interpretation" requires less assumptions. I answered.

To go with the "this story is likely not literal", we don't have to assume anything as we have countless precedents of stories being invented out of thin air and / or exagerated etc.

To go with the "literally true" thingy, one has to assume a type of human that nobody has ever seen before and which sounds like a fantasy character straight out of Game of Thrones.

Can you show me the Bible passage that says he was fit?

He was a fearsome warrior that scared an entire army.
I don't think an entire army would be scared of a guy that could barely stand up straight.

Furthermore, if this guy wasn't fit, then it's hardly an accomplishment to floor the dude.

There are people around today with hormone problems who become huge in size (but not anywhere near the size that Goliath was supposed to be). These people have all kinds of problems. While they look impressive at first sight, they aren't scary at all. Any relatively healthy normal sized human with a bare minimum of combat training or experience could floor these people without breaking a sweat.

I don't know about you, but someone of that size would be intimidating in appearance alone, especially given how he was arrayed.

As said, there are zero precedents of people of that size.
It seems to me that, if it already is a true story, it is rather obvious that the size is simply completely exaggerated and that it wasn't a guy +3m tall, but rather simply a buffed above-average-size warrior. Like somewhere between 2m to 2m25 or something.

Kind of like the one called "The Mountain" in Game of Thrones:

As for his size, there is recorded evidence of people near that height.

That is false.

List of tallest people - Wikipedia

The confirmed tallest is 2m76. And he died at age 22.
The dude had serious health issues, unsurprisingly, due to his uncontrolled growth.

Are you saying it's impossible?

I'm saying it's not realistic that a person of that size could put on armor and stand up straight.

It's far more likely that the story is either not true or that the actual size of Goliath is seriously exaggerated.

 

[Radrook]

You asked me to clarify which "interpretation" requires less assumptions. I answered.

To go with the "this story is likely not literal", we don't have to assume anything as we have countless precedents of stories being invented out of thin air and / or exagerated etc.

To go with the "literally true" thingy, one has to assume a type of human that nobody has ever seen before and which sounds like a fantasy character straight out of Game of Thrones.



He was a fearsome warrior that scared an entire army.
I don't think an entire army would be scared of a guy that could barely stand up straight.

Furthermore, if this guy wasn't fit, then it's hardly an accomplishment to floor the dude.

There are people around today with hormone problems who become huge in size (but not anywhere near the size that Goliath was supposed to be). These people have all kinds of problems. While they look impressive at first sight, they aren't scary at all. Any relatively healthy normal sized human with a bare minimum of combat training or experience could floor these people without breaking a sweat.



As said, there are zero precedents of people of that size.
It seems to me that, if it already is a true story, it is rather obvious that the size is simply completely exaggerated and that it wasn't a guy +3m tall, but rather simply a buffed above-average-size warrior. Like somewhere between 2m to 2m25 or something.

Kind of like the one called "The Mountain" in Game of Thrones:

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That is false.

List of tallest people - Wikipedia

The confirmed tallest is 2m76. And he died at age 22.
The dude had serious health issues, unsurprisingly, due to his uncontrolled growth.



I'm saying it's not realistic that a person of that size could put on armor and stand up straight.

It's far more likely that the story is either not true or that the actual size of Goliath is seriously exaggerated.

Please keep well in mind that these Christians aren’t claiming Goliath was human. So your impossibility-because-no-human argument is straw man.

Also to take into serious consideration:

As a descendant of Ham, which was the progenitor of the black race, he might have been sporting a one-foot Afro topped by one of those Philistine helmets which flared up another foot. Add extra padding of three-inches-on his sandals to cushion his extra weight, you would get a total of two feet three inches of sandal hair and helmet. Ever consider that possibility?

BTW
Nowhere near Goliath’s height? I would say the following athletes came close.

Height : 8 ft 0 in
Suleiman Ali Nashnush is one of seventeen individuals in medical history to reach or surpass eight feet in height. He was a Libyan basketball player and actor. In 1960, he successfully underwent surgery to correct his abnormal growth. He was one of the tallest basketball players ever at 8’0½” (245 cm) though when he played basketball he was closer to 7’10” (239 cm) and played for Libya.

Height : 8 ft 3 in
“Willow Bunch Giant” Canadian Professional Wrestler, Tallest strongman as well as tallest wrestler in history. Edouard’s growth rate then increased dramatically, so much so that by age nine he was six feet tall, and by the age of 17 his height was recorded at 7 feet 1 inch (2.16 meters). In 1902, Edouard’s height was measured at 8 feet 2.5 inches (2.50 meters) and he weighed over 400 pounds (180 kilograms). His death certificate described him as being 8 ft 3 in (2.51 m) tall and still growing.

Top 10 Tallest Athletes of All Time | Tallest Athletes of All Time

 

[Jimmy D]

You asked me to clarify which "interpretation" requires less assumptions. I answered.

To go with the "this story is likely not literal", we don't have to assume anything as we have countless precedents of stories being invented out of thin air and / or exagerated etc.

To go with the "literally true" thingy, one has to assume a type of human that nobody has ever seen before and which sounds like a fantasy character straight out of Game of Thrones.



He was a fearsome warrior that scared an entire army.
I don't think an entire army would be scared of a guy that could barely stand up straight.

Furthermore, if this guy wasn't fit, then it's hardly an accomplishment to floor the dude.

There are people around today with hormone problems who become huge in size (but not anywhere near the size that Goliath was supposed to be). These people have all kinds of problems. While they look impressive at first sight, they aren't scary at all. Any relatively healthy normal sized human with a bare minimum of combat training or experience could floor these people without breaking a sweat.



As said, there are zero precedents of people of that size.
It seems to me that, if it already is a true story, it is rather obvious that the size is simply completely exaggerated and that it wasn't a guy +3m tall, but rather simply a buffed above-average-size warrior. Like somewhere between 2m to 2m25 or something.

Kind of like the one called "The Mountain" in Game of Thrones:

View attachment 198830



That is false.

List of tallest people - Wikipedia

The confirmed tallest is 2m76. And he died at age 22.
The dude had serious health issues, unsurprisingly, due to his uncontrolled growth.



I'm saying it's not realistic that a person of that size could put on armor and stand up straight.

It's far more likely that the story is either not true or that the actual size of Goliath is seriously exaggerated.

Sorry to digress, but I miss Game of Thrones.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Please keep well in mind that these Christians aren’t claiming Goliath was human. So your impossibility-because-no-human argument is straw man.

Yeah, that doesn't make it any better. In fact, it makes it worse.
A human taller then any human we have ever seen before is a stretch.
But a giant that isn't even a human.... That's obviously even more of a stretch.

Also to take into serious consideration:

"serious" consideration, ha...

As a descendant of Ham, which was the progenitor of the black race, he might have been sporting a one-foot Afro topped by one of those Philistine helmets which flared up another foot. Add extra padding of three-inches-on his sandals to cushion his extra weight, you would get a total of two feet three inches of sandal hair and helmet. Ever consider that possibility?

No.
First, because there is no "single human" the "progenitor of the black race".
Second, there is nothing in the story that hints at this.

I mean.... if you see an average sized person, who, when wearing his shoes and helmet measures 3m, you wouldn't call that person a "giant"... Instead, you'ld call it an average sized person with rather ridiculously huge shoes and helmet.

Seriously... would you be fooled into thinking a person is tall, if that person wears shoes like this:

I sure wouldn't.

BTW
Nowhere near Goliath’s height? I would say the following athletes came close.

Height : 8 ft 0 in
Suleiman Ali Nashnush is one of seventeen individuals in medical history to reach or surpass eight feet in height. He was a Libyan basketball player and actor. In 1960, he successfully underwent surgery to correct his abnormal growth. He was one of the tallest basketball players ever at 8’0½” (245 cm) though when he played basketball he was closer to 7’10” (239 cm) and played for Libya.

Height : 8 ft 3 in
“Willow Bunch Giant” Canadian Professional Wrestler, Tallest strongman as well as tallest wrestler in history. Edouard’s growth rate then increased dramatically, so much so that by age nine he was six feet tall, and by the age of 17 his height was recorded at 7 feet 1 inch (2.16 meters). In 1902, Edouard’s height was measured at 8 feet 2.5 inches (2.50 meters) and he weighed over 400 pounds (180 kilograms). His death certificate described him as being 8 ft 3 in (2.51 m) tall and still growing.

Top 10 Tallest Athletes of All Time | Tallest Athletes of All Time

Both of your examples are 20 to 30% smaller then what Goliath was supposed to be (above 3m)

 

[DogmaHunter]

Sorry to digress, but I miss Game of Thrones.

I wonder what will be here first.... The new season of Game of Thrones... or "winter".

 

[Radrook]

Yeah, that doesn't make it any better. In fact, it makes it worse.
A human taller then any human we have ever seen before is a stretch.
But a giant that isn't even a human.... That's obviously even more of a stretch.



"serious" consideration, ha...



No.
First, because there is no "single human" the "progenitor of the black race".
Second, there is nothing in the story that hints at this.

I mean.... if you see an average sized person, who, when wearing his shoes and helmet measures 3m, you wouldn't call that person a "giant"... Instead, you'ld call it an average sized person with rather ridiculously huge shoes and helmet.

Seriously... would you be fooled into thinking a person is tall, if that person wears shoes like this:

View attachment 198851


I sure wouldn't.



Both of your examples are 20 to 30% smaller then what Goliath was supposed to be (above 3m)

So you don't concede the Goliath could have been viewed as taller when viewed from a distance because of an Afro, helmet and thicker sandals? Hard to view that as an impossibility.
It seems you stretch what is impossible to fit anything which is proposed as an explanation.


In any case they had his carcass to examine and would not have included such irrelevant things in their measurement. So I guess you then introduce exaggeration. Weird since the Bible writers you accuse of being habitual liars are extremely honest in describing their own flaws and their deficiencies as a nation-something one would not expect from habitual liars.

You also reject the genetic mutation as impossible while relying on genetic mutations for your evolution idea which supposedly turned fish into people. That is called inconsistency of policy and indicates bias.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

But that was the point of the discussion that you joined....
The whole point was that it is unlikely that such stories are literally true as opposed to seriously embelished, exaggerated, myth, legend,...



I'm still not quite sure what exactly you are trying to say.



Having trouble with He-Man and Skeletor, ey?

What about the river Styx? What about Medusa with the snakes instead of hair?

So, yes, the stories shouldn't be taken literally?


Now do He-Man and Skeletor.

That is what you said - "So, yes the stories shouldn't be taken literally?"

I did not say that at all. You did. In fact, I can tell you haven't read what I have said in this thread previously - because you have made erroneously inferences either from ignorance or incredulity. In fact, I answered your first question knowing this is where you would take it - which is why I told you I wouldn't continue to answer your inquisition on the relationship between mythos in art, and life.

And, your response here is the reason why I choose not to continue yet, not because I can't draw a connection between art and life - or a real connection to its mythos of He-Man. But, because even if I did, you would always be asking, "what about..." continuously. Which is exactly what you did - you aren't actually interested in the connection, you are trying to prove a point of your own.

Appeals to ego don't work. Cheers.

 

[DogmaHunter]

That is what you said - "So, yes the stories shouldn't be taken literally?"

I did not say that at all. You did.

Go back another post or so and read the initial post you replied to.

In fact, I can tell you haven't read what I have said in this thread previously - because you have made erroneously inferences either from ignorance or incredulity. In fact, I answered your first question knowing this is where you would take it - which is why I told you I wouldn't continue to answer your inquisition on the relationship between mythos in art, and life.

The fact is that you entered into a discussion where the point being made (from my end) was that it is far more likely that the whole Goliath thing is legend / myth / exaggeration as opposed to a literally true story.

And everything you said, while in a tone that is arguing against my point, is actually rather just reinforcing the point I was making.

And, your response here is the reason why I choose not to continue yet, not because I can't draw a connection between art and life - or a real connection to its mythos of He-Man. But, because even if I did, you would always be asking, "what about..." continuously. Which is exactly what you did - you aren't actually interested in the connection, you are trying to prove a point of your own.

Indeed. And that point is: real stories get transformed into myth and legend all the time. They get embelished and exaggerated. And sometimes simply invented out of thin air as well, with inspiration coming from wherever the author happens to take it from.

Again, you don't seem to be disagreeing with my point at all.

Appeals to ego don't work. Cheers.

Good thing that I'm not appealing to ego then.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Go back another post or so and read the initial post you replied to.



The fact is that you entered into a discussion where the point being made (from my end) was that it is far more likely that the whole Goliath thing is legend / myth / exaggeration as opposed to a literally true story.

And everything you said, while in a tone that is arguing against my point, is actually rather just reinforcing the point I was making.




Indeed. And that point is: real stories get transformed into myth and legend all the time. They get embelished and exaggerated. And sometimes simply invented out of thin air as well, with inspiration coming from wherever the author happens to take it from.

Again, you don't seem to be disagreeing with my point at all.



Good thing that I'm not appealing to ego then.

Ok.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So you don't concede the Goliath could have been viewed as taller when viewed from a distance because of an Afro, helmet and thicker sandals? Hard to view that as an impossibility.

I indeed find it improbable that an entire army of what probably were seasoned fighters, would have been fooled in such a manner, yes.

As I said, I sure wouldn't be fooled by it. And my guess is, neither would you - or anyone else for that matter.

Here's the kicker though.......... even if I would concede that... then we are still left with the conclusion that story is not literally true. Cause in that case, Goliath wasn't a "3m tall giant" at all.

Furthermore, I would think that these people would have found out that Goliath was an imposter and thus not a giant at all, after he was defeated and was laying down on the floor. Right?

Also, didn't you just state 1 or 2 posts ago that Goliath shouldn't even be seen as human?
Maybe you should make up your own mind first, before questioning my take on it.

It seems you stretch what is impossible to fit anything which is proposed as an explanation.

I don't think I even used the word "impossible" in this entire exchange.

In any case they had his carcass to examine and would not have included such irrelevant things in their measurement.

Right, so there goes your idea about him being a normal sized (non-?)human that was just wearing platform shoes and a big wig or whatever.

So I guess you then introduce exaggeration. Weird since the Bible writers you accuse of being habitual liars

Right, right.... because it is entirely without precedent that stories such as that one gets embelished and exaggerated over the years, ha?

Funny anecdote...
A couple years ago, the boiler at the local bakery down my street had a little fire problem. It was extinguished by the owners themselves within seconds, by throwing a bucket of water over it. Since there was some smoke development and stuff, they still called the fire department, just to be safe.

One week later, at the local supermarket, I heared people talking about how "the entire bakery went up in flames". In reality, the bakery was into business as usual within 2 hours after the incident. The boiler was replaced the next day and there was no further damage.

This is what people do when they retell stories. Especially if there is a hero that needs to look good. Isn't that right, David?

So, I ask the question... what is more likely?

That humans did what humans always do?
Or that David actually did battle with a non-human humanoid giant?

are extremely honest in describing their own flaws and their deficiencies as a nation-something one would not expect from habitual liars.

I don't see how it is relevant what other things were written down. Nore am I pretending that this single instance should or could be generalised concerning the rest of the book.

Talk about a strawman...

You also reject the genetic mutation as impossible while relying on genetic mutations for your evolution idea which supposedly turned fish into people. That is called inconsistency of policy and indicates bias.

I never said any such thing.

Perhaps you should try focussing on what I actually write instead.

 

[Radrook]

I indeed find it improbable that an entire army of what probably were seasoned fighters, would have been fooled in such a manner, yes.

As I said, I sure wouldn't be fooled by it. And my guess is, neither would you - or anyone else for that matter.

Here's the kicker though.......... even if I would concede that... then we are still left with the conclusion that story is not literally true. Cause in that case, Goliath wasn't a "3m tall giant" at all.

Furthermore, I would think that these people would have found out that Goliath was an imposter and thus not a giant at all, after he was defeated and was laying down on the floor. Right?

Also, didn't you just state 1 or 2 posts ago that Goliath shouldn't even be seen as human?
Maybe you should make up your own mind first, before questioning my take on it.



I don't think I even used the word "impossible" in this entire exchange.



Right, so there goes your idea about him being a normal sized (non-?)human that was just wearing platform shoes and a big wig or whatever.



Right, right.... because it is entirely without precedent that stories such as that one gets embelished and exaggerated over the years, ha?

Funny anecdote...
A couple years ago, the boiler at the local bakery down my street had a little fire problem. It was extinguished by the owners themselves within seconds, by throwing a bucket of water over it. Since there was some smoke development and stuff, they still called the fire department, just to be safe.

One week later, at the local supermarket, I heared people talking about how "the entire bakery went up in flames". In reality, the bakery was into business as usual within 2 hours after the incident. The boiler was replaced the next day and there was no further damage.

This is what people do when they retell stories. Especially if there is a hero that needs to look good. Isn't that right, David?

So, I ask the question... what is more likely?

That humans did what humans always do?
Or that David actually did battle with a non-human humanoid giant?



I don't see how it is relevant what other things were written down. Nore am I pretending that this single instance should or could be generalised concerning the rest of the book.

Talk about a strawman...



I never said any such thing.

Perhaps you should try focussing on what I actually write instead.

Shift of viewpoint?

I am not claiming that I personally believe Goliath was superhuman. I am simply pointing out that you are responding to those who claim that he was by saying that it is humanly impossible to reach that size. That's what makes the response strawman since it is totally irrelevant and misrepresents what is being claimed. So I am not shifting from one viewpoint to another, In fact, in my previous post I made perfectly clear that I do not believe in the Nephilim presence after the Noachian flood and provide the reasons why I don't.

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Human propensity to exaggerate:

Of course I am aware of such a propensity. In fact, the Egyptians were notoriously famous for their habit of deletion and embellishment of historical events in order to aggrandize themselves. But the Egyptians did not have the Ten Commandments which specifically forbids falsehoods via lies and such embellishments would not be calmly accepted when suddenly introduced as was the case with other cultures. Especially when the written records were constantly under scrutiny to ascertain that nothing was deleted or added by any whimsical dishonest individual with a penchant for exaggeration. An exaggeration in the height of Goliath would have been immediately noticed and corrected and the responsible person removed from his post.

Also, you seem to suggest that the writers were in the habit of aggrandizing their leaders. That goes completely contrary to what we see recorded in the OT. Especially in the books of 1Kings 2Kings where the vast majority of Israelite kings are described as corrupt and inept rulers who were worthy of scornful contempt. Out of that long list of defective rulers only two are spoken of positively.

Even David is exposed as immoral via the honest telling of his murder of Uriah and his adulterous relation with his wife Bathsheba. David's weakness in his inability to fully condemn his son Absolum and the disrespectful way the his commander Joab speaks to him is revealed.

The nation itself is depicted as repeatedly falling into sin and finally suffering humiliation at the hands of Assyria and Babylon.

And now suddenly they will suddenly become dishonest in reference to Goliath?

Puleeeeszz!

So what is far more likely you ask? That it is an accurate description of his height-that is far more likely.

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Not True if Goliath had an extreme Afro Hairdo helmet and sandals erroneously counted as height?

True, then it would be an inaccuracy. But since they had his body to measure post mortem-that rhetorically-suggested idea for the sake of discussion doesn't fly.