Was either Saul ever forgiven?

[Neostarwcc]

I'm sorry if this comes across as a stupid question but was either Saul ever forgiven by God? Like... King Saul repented and asked God for forgiveness before he died but did God ever grant him forgiveness? Then there's Saul in the New Testament whom later became The apostle Paul. He repented and asked God for forgiveness after God made him blind on his way to Damascus but as far as I know the bible never explicitly says that Paul, was ever forgiven by God. I mean we can assume he was because Jesus says in acts 9:15 that Saul was chosen by God to proclaim his name go the gentiles but I don't know where it says that Saul's many sins were forgiven. Unless I'm missing something?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I'm sorry if this comes across as a stupid question but was either Saul ever forgiven by God? Like... King Saul repented and asked God for forgiveness before he died but did God ever grant him forgiveness? Then there's Saul in the New Testament whom later became The apostle Paul. He repented and asked God for forgiveness after God made him blind on his way to Damascus but as far as I know the bible never explicitly says that Paul, was ever forgiven by God. I mean we can assume he was because Jesus says in acts 9:15 that Saul was chosen by God to proclaim his name go the gentiles but I don't know where it says that Saul's many sins were forgiven. Unless I'm missing something?

The Scripture is silent about King Saul's final outcome. I suspect that he went to Sheol rather than Paradise. The Old Covenant involved the warning that the previous righteousness of a person who turns to unrighteousness is made null and void, so that gives one a good indication of what happened to King Saul.

Saul, who became Paul was converted under the New Covenant and was transformed as the result of a personal appearance of Christ to him.

 

[Stranger36147]

Guess only God knows the fate of both men.

 

[morse86]

Jesus kept the commandments and fulfilled the law. He stayed obedient to God the Father. That is why the bible says that death entered through one man's sin (Adam) and through one man, (Jesus) life was given. The word everlasting means forever (in John 3:16), there is no exception.

Salvation is a free gift. You do not have to work for a free gift, ever. It is by grace. Grace means you are given something that you don't deserve.....it is by grace. Faith means hopeful of something yet not seen.

Saul was for sure saved:

1 Samuel 28:19:
Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

I don't know how it can be anymore clearer than that.

Romans 5:12-21:
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Jesus kept the commandments and fulfilled the law. He stayed obedient to God the Father. That is why the bible says that death entered through one man's sin (Adam) and through one man, (Jesus) life was given. The word everlasting means forever (in John 3:16), there is no exception.

Salvation is a free gift. You do not have to work for a free gift, ever. It is by grace. Grace means you are given something that you don't deserve.....it is by grace. Faith means hopeful of something yet not seen.

Saul was for sure saved:



I don't know how it can be anymore clearer than that.

King Saul was lost because his previous righteousness was cancelled out by his subsequent disobedience and unrighteousness. We must not confuse with Old Covenant with the New. Saul did not have faith in the Messiah to come, and we know this because the Bible does not mention that he had that faith.

 

[timewerx]

You should also ask the same question for King Solomon.

Although King Solomon seemed to have repented in Ecclesiastes and had a huge change of attitude concerning material wealth. He no longer gave any relevance to material wealth as he did in Proverbs, a huge change of heart that is agreeable to the Gospel of Christ.

 

[morse86]

King Saul was lost because his previous righteousness was cancelled out by his subsequent disobedience and unrighteousness. We must not confuse with Old Covenant with the New. Saul did not have faith in the Messiah to come, and we know this because the Bible does not mention that he had that faith.

Do you know the meaning of the word Everlasting?

The God of the old testament is the God of the new testament.

Jesus is Saul's righteousness. He has no righteousness of his own (it's filthy rags in front of God).

 

[Neostarwcc]

Jesus kept the commandments and fulfilled the law. He stayed obedient to God the Father. That is why the bible says that death entered through one man's sin (Adam) and through one man, (Jesus) life was given. The word everlasting means forever (in John 3:16), there is no exception.

Salvation is a free gift. You do not have to work for a free gift, ever. It is by grace. Grace means you are given something that you don't deserve.....it is by grace. Faith means hopeful of something yet not seen.

Saul was for sure saved:



I don't know how it can be anymore clearer than that.

I didn't know that verse existed in the bible thanks. So Saul was granted forgiveness and salvation for repenting of his wicked ways.
But Saul lost his throne to David right? Like it is King David that is going to be resurrected and reign with Christ for forever. I believe it says that somewhere in the bible although I forget where.

 

[Neostarwcc]

You should also ask the same question for King Solomon.

Although King Solomon seemed to have repented in Ecclesiastes and had a huge change of attitude concerning material wealth. He no longer gave any relevance to material wealth as he did in Proverbs, a huge change of heart that is agreeable to the Gospel of Christ.

I had wondered that about him too. He was an adulterer and everything. At least the bible is clear that God forgave King David. Even though he was an adulterer too who stole a mans wife. So if God forgave King David when he sought forgiveness why wouldn't he forgive Solomon too?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Do you know the meaning of the word Everlasting?

The God of the old testament is the God of the new testament.

Jesus is Saul's righteousness. He has no righteousness of his own (it's filthy rags in front of God).

I think you have confused King Saul with Saul of Tarsus.
King Saul would only have been righteous if he had demonstrated faith in the Messiah to come, which he didn't. His disobedience to God's command through the Prophet Samuel caused him to lose his kingdom and his righteous standing before God. Saul did not have faith in Jesus because this was centuries before Jesus was born, and died on the cross! I read the Bible, so I KNOW things!!!

 

[morse86]

I didn't know that verse existed in the bible thanks. So Saul was granted forgiveness and salvation for repenting of his wicked ways.
But Saul lost his throne to David right? Like it is King David that is going to be resurrected and reign with Christ for forever. I believe it says that somewhere in the bible although I forget where.

What?? Who mentioned anything about repenting????

The word repent means to turn away from (that is ALL that it means), God repented many times. Think about what repent means now. It simply means to turn away from something.

In Matthew 3:2 and alike, it means to turn away from the false beliefs of this satanic world that is going to hell and instead believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation. The world was engulfed in false prophets with their works salvation..the gnostics, the outright devil worshipers, the indian yogis, the sandus, the popes. Turn away from that trash and believe on the Lord Jesus instead. Make strait (narrow) the path...Jesus is the only way.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

What?? Who mentioned anything about repenting????

The word repent means to turn away from (that is ALL that it means), God repented many times. Think about what repent means now. It simply means to turn away from something.

In Matthew 3:2 and alike, it means to turn away from the false beliefs of this satanic world that is going to hell and instead believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation. The world was engulfed in false prophets with their works salvation..the gnostics, the outright devil worshipers, the indian yogis, the sandus, the popes. Turn away from that trash and believe on the Lord Jesus instead. Make strait (narrow) the path...Jesus is the only way.

Reading the Bible and just viewing the actual text deals with your false suppositions.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I didn't know that verse existed in the bible thanks. So Saul was granted forgiveness and salvation for repenting of his wicked ways.
But Saul lost his throne to David right? Like it is King David that is going to be resurrected and reign with Christ for forever. I believe it says that somewhere in the bible although I forget where.

David had his faith in the Messiah to come and therefore He was viewed as being righteous before God. We see his faith through the Psalms he wrote. Saul never repented of his disobedience and remained unrighteous at his death.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I had wondered that about him too. He was an adulterer and everything. At least the bible is clear that God forgave King David. Even though he was an adulterer too who stole a mans wife. So if God forgave King David when he sought forgiveness why wouldn't he forgive Solomon too?

Solomon went after idols through his wives, therefore he broke the Mosaic Law. Whether he repented later in life or not is unclear, but we get clues to it in the book of Ecclesiastes which he did write in later life.

 

[Neostarwcc]

What?? Who mentioned anything about repenting????

The word repent means to turn away from (that is ALL that it means), God repented many times. Think about what repent means now. It simply means to turn away from something.

In Matthew 3:2 and alike, it means to turn away from the false beliefs of this satanic world that is going to hell and instead believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation. The world was engulfed in false prophets with their works salvation..the gnostics, the outright devil worshipers, the indian yogis, the sandus, the popes. Turn away from that trash and believe on the Lord Jesus instead. Make strait (narrow) the path...Jesus is the only way.

Saul before he died repented and asked God for forgiveness I forget exactly where in Samuel it is. But I figured since Saul asked God to forgive him that he did. Or maybe I'm just too hopeful.

 

[Neostarwcc]

Solomon went after idols through his wives, therefore he broke the Mosaic Law. Whether he repented later in life or not is unclear, but we get clues to it in the book of Ecclesiastes which he did write in later life.

True. I didn't think of it that way. I haven't read the book of Ecclesiastes yet. I probably should. I don't think that Solomon really felt sorry for his sins though. Or maybe he did who knows.