Was D&D locked?

[TrustAndObey]

Oh for pete's sake.

Dean, nobody said the Progressives closed the D&D section--we all know they don't have the power to do that and that it had to be Admin. However, by your own admittance they violated our FSGs and as a RESULT of that, our D&D section was closed.

I think you owe us an apology for saying we are not correct and have NEVER been correct...when obviously we are.

 

[reddogs]

That would be me. This idea to split the forums existed long before I came to work SDA. But, you're correct. I did what I could to help the split take place, along with the help of great deal of members who supported this change. I believe the vote was 40-2, and I only voted once. And, just to be clear, I was trying to offer the Progressives a discussion subforum in WWMC. That's what the poll was for. In the end, upper CF staff offered them their own forum. That was beyond the scope of my involvement. But, I'm happy that they have their own forum, and not just a subforum. I did this all in the public view, and I kept CF staff well-informed of my actions.

You can name me by name. I'm not hiding.

Yes, but the way it was done, without a full comprehension of the issues and history, and with the misrepresentation of some as a "persecuted" group, it showed a bias for a 'liberal' viewpoint rather than being neutral in the matter.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Yes, but the way it was done, without a full comprehension of the issues and history, and with the misrepresentation of some as a "persecuted" group, it showed a bias for a 'liberal' viewpoint rather than being neutral in the matter.

That is absolutely correct Red!

Dean, you told the people in WWMC that the Progressives were being "persecuted" by us.

Now that they do have their own forum, can you please tell us why they don't just post THERE instead of continuing to harass us here?

Have you gone back to WWMC to tell them about some of the Progessives and Formers violating our FSGs?

You totally misrepresented us in your thread and I still do not think you should be a moderator here.

Your first post in this thread is reason enough.

Obviously I am not the only person that has a problem with this.

 

[DeanM]

Yes, but the way it was done, without a full comprehension of the issues and history, and with the misrepresentation of some as a "persecuted" group, it showed a bias for a 'liberal' viewpoint rather than being neutral in the matter.

The wording in my poll was considered to be within CF's rules. I stand by my wording.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Here it is in a nutshell and please correct me if I'm wrong...

People come here and harass us after getting their own forum...get reported and spite report back....and OUR threads get closed and an entire section of our forum gets CLOSED.

Does this make sense to ANYBODY?

 

[TrustAndObey]

The wording in my poll was considered to be within CF's rules. I stand by my wording.

Then don't be surprised when the people here take issue with you and revolt. You shouldn't be a moderator in our forum. You are clearly biased to the point of telling us we've NEVER been right since you've been on our forum.

While at the same time you ADMIT that others violating our FSGs directly resulted in our D&D being closed.

 

[DeanM]

Oh for pete's sake.

Dean, nobody said the Progressives closed the D&D section--we all know they don't have the power to do that and that it had to be Admin. However, by your own admittance they violated our FSGs and as a RESULT of that, our D&D section was closed.

I think you owe us an apology for saying we are not correct and have NEVER been correct...when obviously we are.

But you're not correct.

I can't discuss the staff discussion here. Suffice it to say that the idea that progressives prompted this closure is just plain wrong. Or, you might as well blame people who eat hamburgers, because I'm sure they had a far bigger effect, and you'd actually be more correct if you blamed them . . .

 

[TrustAndObey]

I went to the Progessive section this morning and there's PLENTY there to report.

If enough reports come out of it, will they have to change their section too? Seriously?

 

[TrustAndObey]

But you're not correct.

I can't discuss the staff discussion here. Suffice it to say that the idea that progressives prompted this closure is just plain wrong. Or, you might as well blame people who eat hamburgers, because I'm sure they had a far bigger effect, and you'd actually be more correct if you blamed them . . .

Dean, STOP insulting our intelligence. You already admitted WHY our section was closed. It's too late to change it now.

THEY violated our rules and now you want to change our rules as a result of it or limit what we can or don't allow.

This is not right. The people here see it, too.

Why do you even want to be a moderator in this area if you think so poorly of us?

 

[TrustAndObey]

But you're not correct.

I can't discuss the staff discussion here. Suffice it to say that the idea that progressives prompted this closure is just plain wrong. Or, you might as well blame people who eat hamburgers, because I'm sure they had a far bigger effect, and you'd actually be more correct if you blamed them . . .

Not all people that eat hamburgers come into our forum after crying persecution to harass US.

We're not idiots, Dean.

 

[mva1985]

A clarification seems to be in order.

The D+D area has been closed. The discussion that has lead to this has been taking place at the staff level. That is why members have not seen this discussion.

It has been pointed out that some progressives have been violating the FSGs in that area. That is the extent of the progressive's involvement in the closing of this forum. To say that progressives had a hand in the closing of the forum is completely wrong. The perceived link between the members who commited FSG violations and the staff members who are discussing this closure does not exist. One could just as easily say that "People who eat hamburgers are behind this," and be far more correct than any of the other theories presented so far.

I merely pointed out that this closure was not based on any recommendation or input from any progressive member of CF. I point this out to avoid a potential misconception against an innocent party.

Did progressives post in D+D? Yes. But that's the only link to the progressives that exists. All other discussions have taken place at a staff level. I cannot comment on staff discussions, so you'll have to be patient while this addressed.

Dean, I said it before and I'll say it again I think it was a conflict of interest on your part in creating and especially the wording of the poll to help the progressives get their own forum.

The statements highlighted above contradict themselves. In one sentence you say that they did play a role, and in the next you say that it is completely wrong.

If they did play some sort of role why is it that our D&D forum is closed?

I'm sure it will all wash out, but seems like it will take a lot of detergent!

 

[TrustAndObey]

Conflict of interest is the perfect term here.

I think the members of this forum need to revolt about it, seriously.

Dean, you could save us the trouble and just step down.

 

[DeanM]

Your staff is not beyond your control. Any staff member's actions are open for discussion here:

http://christianforums.com/f596-staff-appeals.html

This would be a better venue to discuss my position on staff, as it is off topic for this thread.

 

[woobadooba]

Here's my take on it. Get rid of the D&D section altogether. It is not needed. Why should we debate amongst ourselves anyway?

We can discuss things without debating.

Get rid of the debate section and you will also solve the problem of people that come in here to harass us. Any post that they put up to attack our beliefs will result in them being banned from our forum.

There. That's the solution!

 

[TrustAndObey]

Your staff is not beyond your control. Any staff member's actions are open for discussion here:

http://christianforums.com/f596-staff-appeals.html

This would be a better venue to discuss my position on staff, as it is off topic for this thread.

Can more than one person contribute on a thread there?

 

[TrustAndObey]

Dean, I just tried to start a new thread in that area where you linked to and this is what I got:

TrustAndObey, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

 

[happywiththelord]

Here's my take on it. Get rid of the D&D section altogether. It is not needed. Why should we debate amongst ourselves anyway?

We can discuss things without debating.

Get rid of the debate section and you will also solve the problem of people that come in here to harass us. Any post that they put up to attack our beliefs will result in them being banned from our forum.

There. That's the solution!

Woob,

i have been calling for this forever brother!! Nobody listens to me!

I am glad that you see what I have been proclaiming!

And for the record, i agree with everything T&O has been saying! I see the same thing she is seeing!!

 

[TrustAndObey]

Woob,

i have been calling for this forever brother!! Nobody listens to me!

I am glad that you see what I have been proclaiming!

And for the record, i agree with everything T&O has been saying! I see the same thing she is seeing!!

I listen to what you guys say, but I personally like to debate. I learn a lot that way, personally.

What I don't like is being harassed by the same people year after year.

My suggestion is a forum-specific ban implemented against those that we KNOW have caused problems in the past and those that don't follow our rules for debate.

Don't let them make this decision FOR us guys. If we decide to shut it down later, then fine, but I will not stand still for having it done against our consensus.

 

[woobadooba]

I listen to what you guys say, but I personally like to debate. I learn a lot that way, personally.

What I don't like is being harassed by the same people year after year.

My suggestion is a forum-specific ban implemented against those that we KNOW have caused problems in the past and those that don't follow our rules for debate.

Don't let them make this decision FOR us guys. If we decide to shut it down later, then fine, but I will not stand still for having it done against our consensus.

The problems that exist in here right now are the result of debate. I wish you could see this.

The solution is to not debate. And if you feel a need to debate then perhaps it would be best to go to the GT section to do it. But as long as we allow debate in here we will continue to be harassed.

Please do a word study on debate in the Bible before responding to this. See how God feels about debate.

 

[AndrewK788]

I understand all the frustration here and I certainly share in it. Woob, I know what you mean in your last post abot debate. The Bible does say in several places to avoid stupid arguments because they only lead to conflict. I get as sick of these silly arguments as anyone else, but if debate includes asking honest questions then I don't like the idea.

For example, I like being able to ask any questions that may come to mind, no matter how controversial, and see what others' perspectives are. It's not that I'm trying to start an argument...I honestly want to know how you guys feel. I understand there are those who abuse the system, and abusers should be reprimanded, but if we ban even this type of conversation, then what is the point of having our own forum?