Warning Signs!

[JimR-OCDS]

Of course there are always going to be minorities that vote differently, but the majority of men that were college graduates voted for Biden. Ben Shapiro is somewhat atypical because he's a pundit and a partisan hack, but most people tend to vote according to factors that aren't particularly ideological, such as class or race/ethnicity. More recently, educational attainment has also become another factor (it used to be that people with more education voted Republican, but that was decades ago before the Tea Party started actively courting the so-called "low information voter").

There are plenty of others. David Ruebin is another and he is also gay.

Then of course let's not forget JD Vance who worked his way up to get a law degree.

Many former democrats and liberals are now part of the conservative movement.

To stereotype that mostly males with degrees vote democrat is nothing more than an exaggeration.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Despair makes young US men more conservative ahead of US election, poll shows​

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/despair-makes-young-us-men-more-conservative-ahead-us-election-poll-shows-2024-04-12/

 

[ozso]

There are plenty of others. David Ruebin is another and he is also gay.

Then of course let's not forget JD Vance who worked his way up to get a law degree.

Many former democrats and liberals are now part of the conservative movement.

To stereotype that mostly males with degrees vote democrat is nothing more than an exaggeration.

The all around premise is democrats are higher class people and republicans are lower class people. But then the claim is also that republicans are elites that don't care about the poor. And also because of that those who vote democrat are poor minorities.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The all around premise is democrats are higher class people and republicans are lower class people. But then the claim is also that republicans are elites that don't care about the poor. And also because of that those who vote democrat are poor minorities.

Class of people is according to whom?

If the warning signs in the OP are that of the lower class, then consider me as lower class.

 

[ozso]

Class of people is according to whom?

The democrats. I hear it from them all the time.

If the warning signs in the OP are that of the lower class, then consider me as lower class.

 

[Laodicean60]

I do think my critical thinking

What does your critical thinking think of the partisanship?

partisan hack

From my point of view, a lot here in these forums are partisan hacks. You can't even mention a politician's name without people going ballistic.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The all around premise is democrats are higher class people and republicans are lower class people.

Right. Deplorables, in a basket no less. Democrats have people to look down on. And they do.

But then the claim is also that republicans are elites that don't care about the poor.

Right. Lower class deplorable people who are rich elites (like Soros I guess).

And also because of that those who vote democrat are poor minorities.

Lots of Democrats are stuck in that pattern, with parents and grandparents who voted Democrat back when that really meant something different than it does today. Democrats once were for the little guy. Now they are for the sexual elites. And there is no abortion they don't love. They milk the unions for their get out the vote capabilities but have provided next to nothing for rank and file workers that live in a different world from most union bosses.

The two big political parties make no sense any more. They stay in existence only as resistance to each other. And the Democrats really do see it as them against the deplorables. But since they deplore me I don't have to worry about voting for them. I'm not a Republican but I'd never be a Democtar again, ever.

 

[expos4ever]

Now they are for the sexual elites.

What does this mean? And when you clarify, please give us some reason other than your simple say-so that democrats are for these "sexual elites"

And there is no abortion they don't love.

Almost certainly an untrue generalization. Do you not feel the obligation, as I do, to neither make over-the-top generalizations or at least provide some form of credible evidence to support one's claims?

I can pretty much guarantee there is no evidence that, in the main, Democrats "love" abortions of any kind. And I think you know this.

 

[chevyontheriver]

What does this mean? And when you clarify, please give us some reason other than your simple say-so that democrats are for these "sexual elites"

It means that rich homosexual men are major donors to the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party caters to them. What is important to them is what the Democratic Party is for. Not so much working families, the handicapped, the poor, kids, those the Democrats once would put front and center as priorities. As an example, governor Walz mandated that tampon dispensers be included in all school bathrooms, not to enhance educational outcomes but to cater to LGBTQ+ agendas. You may be in favor, and that's fine, but this isn't the political party I grew up in. Priorities change. Priorities changed. That's pretty well known.

Almost certainly an untrue generalization. Do you not feel the obligation, as I do, to neither make over-the-top generalizations or at least provide some form of credible evidence to support one's claims?

I can pretty much guarantee there is no evidence that, in the main, Democrats "love" abortions of any kind. And I think you know this.

I was speaking of Kamala Harris and Tim Walz and not your average Democrat. Their records on the subject are well enough known, and they are proud of their positions. Other more moderate Democrats don't seem to make their opinions heard very well in opposition to the Harris and Walz extremism. I would hope they would.

The Democratic Party line is that people who are not on board with them are some sort of deplorables (Hillary's term) clinging to their guns and religion (Obama) and that that downlooking perspective has not changed except to that those who aren't voting for Harris are trying to destroy Democracy in favor of Christian Nationalism and racism and hate.

Escape the propaganda. If you can.

 

[Fantine]

What does your critical thinking think of the partisanship?

From my point of view, a lot here in these forums are partisan hacks. You can't even mention a politician's name without people going ballistic.

I don't see Democrats as overly "partisan," but when one party nominates--and slavishly supports--a man with 34 felony convictions, a judgment to pay $25 million to students he fleeced with a fake university, another judgment for evading $500 million in taxes in the state where he lived--forcing needier taxpayers to pay more, relatively, to cover his shortfall; and who is facing 3 other even more serious indictments, no responsible Democrat could do anything other than fight that candidate tooth and nail.

We've had two Republican governors since I've lived here (and another currently.) Huckabee was much more moderate and compassionate than he is today (and ten times more moderate than the current governor, his daughter.) Asa Hutchinson, in his handling of COVID and in his dealings with a dangerously extremist legislature, has been exemplary. He was head and shoulders above every other Republican candidate on the 2024 primary stage--a throwback to when Republicanism meant conservatism with character.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I don't see Democrats as overly "partisan," but when one party nominates

Says someone who almost worships the Democrats and thinks they can do no wrong.