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Matt 9:16-17 Old cloth/old covenant - New cloth/new covenant (17) Old wineskins/new covenant. Don't mix um! (Also see: Mk 2:21-22, Lk 5:36-17)

Rev 3:
15 I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot!

16 So, because you are lukewarm & neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

Hot = New Covenant: Grace thru Faith - Cold = Old Covenant Law by works. Lesson: Mixing the two covenants makes the Christ, want to regurgitate (Rev 3:16)

Read Deut 28:15-66 The Lord say's IF YOU do (x,y,z) I WILL. The old law covenant demanded self-works.

The New Christ mediated eternal blood covenant, supplies everything needed thru faith.

Gal 4:4 But when [in God’s plan] the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the [regulations of the] Law
(MY NOTE: Christ born of a woman, born under all Mosaic law regulations. Jesus lived by Mosaic law, faithfully kept all 619 & preached the Law to "Those under the Law"

Not one living person today, Jew or Gentile, has ever been under the old Mosaic law covenant.

Peter called Mosaic laws an unable to endure yoke (Acts 15:10) Paul called Mosaic law the ministration of death (2 Cor 3:7 & the ministration of condemnation vs 9)

While Christ is alive His in the flesh/earthly mission is to Jews under the law only. Scripture doesn't lie:

Matt 4:23 The Lord Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their (JEWS) synagogues preaching the gospel of the kingdom,

Matt 10:5 The Lord Jesus sends the 12 & commanded them. Don't! go to Gentiles,

Matt 10:6 The Lord Jesus commands the 12: Only go! To lost sheep of the house of Israel,

Matt 15:24 The Lord Jesus said, He's only been sent to preach to the lost sheep of the house of Israel,

Rom 15:8 Paul teaches, Messiah was sent to preach to the circumcision (JEWS),

Bible study 101: Who is speaking, to whom is he speaking, what is he speaking about. Jesus is speaking to Jews only, about repentance of "returning to God". Not! About confessing every personal sin. Their God given sacrificial system dealt with covered/sins.

Eph 2:12 remember that at that time you were separated from Christ [excluded from any relationship with Him], alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise [with no share in the sacred Messianic promise and without knowledge of God’s agreements], having no hope [in His promise] and [living] in the world without God.
Read this verse here:
Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 2 - Amplified Bible

(MY NOTE: Pre-Christ's sin atoning death & resurrection ALL gentiles were viewed as impure, godless dogs, without hope, bastards living outside of covenant seals)

Matt 7:6 The Lord Jesus said, give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
(MY NOTE: Dogs, swine & gentiles all considered unclean/impure under Mosaic Law)

Matt 15:22-26, Vs 26 Jesus calls the Canaanite/gentile women a DOG!
(ME NOTE: Note: In Jesus [a Jew] day gentiles were considered to be godless & ceremonially unclean. The reference "dog" was a commonly known & used expression within the Jewish culture.

Jn 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the (roman/gentile) hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.
(MY NOTE: Just being in the gentile Hall of Judgment made a Jew UNCLEAN!)

Acts 10:28 Peter tells Cornelius a gentile. Under Mosaic law (which Jesus taught & faithfully kept) IT'S UNLAWFUL for a Jew to keep company with a gentile. Under Mosaic law gentiles were seen as unclean, bastards outside covenant seals.

We can't broad brush repent & be baptized (OT/covenant doctrine) or confess every sin after conversion. Onto today's (NT/covenant) body of Christ believer.

The notion promoted by theses modern day 1/2 grace, 1/2 law Pharisees. Placing NT believers under Mosaic law ordinances. Claiming Jesus' earthly ministry was to everyone is false!

That doesn't mean we can't glean spiritual truths from all scripture:

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
MY (NOTE: ALL scripture is written for our LEARNING. ALL scripture isn't written for our DOCTRINE. Example: NT believers aren't required to be circumcised (Acts 15:24) or bring an animal sin sacrifice to Temple Priests)

Here is where a most wonderful change is found:

Acts 10:43-44 While Peter spoke the Holy Spirit fell on all of them which heard the word.
(MY NOTE: They Believed (vs43) & as Peter spoke (vs44) The Holy Spirit fell on them (vs45). No repentance of any kind here, No water baptism, No circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, No law keeping, no sin confessions.

Read Act chapter 10. Peter preached the sin atoning death & resurrection to these Gentiles. And by Faith & faith alone they received Christ baptism with His eternal salvation sealing Holy Spirit. (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 4:30)

Finally,
The New covenant mediated by Christ today. Is the extension/fulfilment of the unilateral unconditional covenant promise God made to Abraham (Gen 15:4-5). This covenant promise came 430 years before (Gal 3:17) the Mosaic law covenant. And is received thru Faith (Gal 3:14) in a righteous God & not by any righteous works of man.

All praise, glory & honor belong to our Great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ! AMEN & Amen.
 
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I am not sure what you are suggesting. But the reality is the bulk of the law still remains.

Mat 5:18-19 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

and

James 2:19-20 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Obedience is coupled with faith, we first must respond to the offer of forgiveness found on the cross, then do our best to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, it is not a sloppy romp through life.

John 14:21-24 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.

Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;​
 
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the old and the new covenant are the same. The only difference is where they are written.

OT
Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exoduce 34
28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


NT

Hebrews 10:15-17
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


same covenant

Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

On tables of stone (old) in your Heart (new)
 
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While I agree that the Mosaic and New Covenants have differences and should not be mixed, there are also some ways in which they are similar, such as both being made with the same eternal God with the same eternal nature and therefore the same eternal Torah for how to act in accordance with His nature.

Matt 9:16-17 Old cloth/old covenant - New cloth/new covenant (17) Old wineskins/new covenant. Don't mix um! (Also see: Mk 2:21-22, Lk 5:36-17)

Jesus did not being speaking about or establish the New Covenant until the end of his ministry, so everything that he taught up until that point was in regard to how to live under the Mosaic Covenant. In those verses, Jesus was being questioned about why his disciples were eating and drinking instead of fasting and praying, which does not give you any room to take that passage and insert a Mosaic/New Covenant distinction into it.

Rev 3:
15 I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot!

16 So, because you are lukewarm & neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

Hot = New Covenant: Grace thru Faith - Cold = Old Covenant Law by works. Lesson: Mixing the two covenants makes the Christ, want to regurgitate (Rev 3:16)

Again, there is nothing in that passage that indicates that it is making a Mosaic/New Covenant distinction, so you are just taking any passage that makes a distinction between two things and feel free to insert whatever you want into it, which is doing an injustice to the text. In Psalms 119:29-30, David wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faithfulness, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith under both the Mosaic/New Covenants, and even before God made those covenants. In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so he was saved by grace through faith by the same means as Abraham (Genesis 15:6) and everyone else.

Read Deut 28:15-66 The Lord say's IF YOU do (x,y,z) I WILL. The old law covenant demanded self-works.

The New Christ mediated eternal blood covenant, supplies everything needed thru faith.

If I were lost and asked someone for directions, then I would be putting my faith in them by relying on exactly what they instructed to save me from being lost and thinking that I was saving myself by relying on what they instructed would not be giving credit where it is due. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so to rely on the law that God has instructed for salvation is to rely on God for salvation, and thinking that relying on what God has instructed is about self-works is not giving credit where it is due. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law, so obedience to it is the way to have faith in him.

Gal 4:4 But when [in God’s plan] the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the [regulations of the] Law
(MY NOTE: Christ born of a woman, born under all Mosaic law regulations. Jesus lived by Mosaic law, faithfully kept all 619 & preached the Law to "Those under the Law"

If you grant that Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law by word and by example, then you can look at what he taught and decide whether or not to follow him, but you can't follow him by refusing to follow what he taught. As Christ's followers, we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), to be imitators of Paul as he imitated Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1), and are given no room to disregard anything that he taught during his ministry (John 12:46-50).

Not one living person today, Jew or Gentile, has ever been under the old Mosaic law covenant.

Stated nowhere in the Bible.

Peter called Mosaic laws an unable to endure yoke (Acts 15:8-10) Paul called Mosaic law the ministration of death (2 Cor 3:7 & the ministration of condemnation vs 9)

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, God said that His law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome. So if Peter had been referring to the Mosaic Law as an unbearable yoke instead of salvation by works, then he would have been in direct disagreement with God and would have therefore been wrong. God's law is a ministry of life for those who obey it and the fact that it is a ministry of death for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason for you to refuse to submit to it.

While Christ is alive His in the flesh/earthly mission is to Jews under the law only. Scripture doesn't lie:

Matt 4:23 The Lord Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their (JEWS) synagogues preaching the gospel of the kingdom,

Matt 10:5 The Lord Jesus sends the 12 & commanded them. Don't! go to Gentiles,

Matt 10:6 The Lord Jesus commands the 12: Only go! To lost sheep of the house of Israel,

Matt 15:24 The Lord Jesus said, He's only been sent to preach to the lost sheep of the house of Israel,

Rom 15:8 Paul teaches, Messiah was sent to preach to the circumcision (JEWS),

Bible study 101: Who is speaking, to whom is he speaking, what is he speaking about. Jesus is speaking to Jews only, about repentance of "returning to God". Not! About confessing every personal sin. Their God given sacrificial system dealt with covered/sins.

In Matthew 4:15, it says that the Gospel Christ was preaching was a light to the nations, in Matthew 24:12-14, he prophesied that it would be proclaimed to all nations, and in Matthew 28:16-20, he commissioned his disciples to make disciples of all nations teaching them everything that he had taught them, so the fact that he only sent his disciples to the Jews in Matthew 10:5-6 does not mean that the Gospel of Christ is only for Jews, but rather the Gospel goes out to the Jews first so that Jews can be equipped to fulfill the role of being a light and a blessing to the nations by spreading the Gospel to them in accordance with the promise. What do you think was the purpose of Christ's ministry if he established the New Covenant for the purpose of undermining everything that he taught?

Eph 2:12 remember that at that time you were separated from Christ [excluded from any relationship with Him], alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise [with no share in the sacred Messianic promise and without knowledge of God’s agreements], having no hope [in His promise] and [living] in the world without God.
Read this verse here: Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 2 - Amplified Bible

(MY NOTE: Pre-Christ's sin atoning death & resurrection ALL gentiles were viewed as impure, godless dogs, without hope, bastards living outside of covenant seals)

In Ephesians 2:19, through faith in Christ, all of the things listed in Ephesians 2:12 are no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or aliens, but are now fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God.

Acts 10:28 Peter tells Cornelius a gentile. Under Mosaic law (which Jesus taught & faithfully kept) IT'S UNLAWFUL for a Jew to keep company with a gentile. Under Mosaic law gentiles were seen as unclean, bastards outside covenant seals.

The law that Peter referred to in Acts 10:28 is not found anywhere in the Mosaic Law, and is therefore a manmade law.

The notion promoted by theses modern day 1/2 grace, 1/2 law Pharisees. Placing NT believers under Mosaic law ordinances. Claiming Jesus' earthly ministry was to everyone is false!

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know Him and Israel too, in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the Mosaic Law, which has always been the only way to eternal life by grace through faith (John 17:3), which is also why Jesus said in Matthew 19:17 that they way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith, and in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so it is not 1/2 grace and 1/2 law, but rather God graciously teaching us to obey His law is itself the content of His gift of salvation. Jesus never criticized the Pharisees for obeying the Mosaic Law, but he did criticize them for not obeying it (Mark 7:6-9) or for not obeying it correctly (Matthew 23:23), so he was calling them to a fuller obedience to it.

That doesn't mean we can't glean spiritual truths from all scripture:

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
MY (NOTE: ALL scripture is written for our LEARNING. ALL scripture isn't written for our DOCTRINE. Example: NT believers aren't required to be circumcised (Acts 15:24) of bring an animal sin sacrifice to Temple Priests)

In Romans 15:4, Paul said that OT Scripture was written for our instruction, not that it only gave us spiritual truths that have no instruction, and in Romans 15:18-19, Paul's Gospel message involved bringing Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed, so his Gospel was on the same page as Christ's Gospel in regard to teaching repentance from sin and obedience to God's law. There is no point in learning something that has no practical application, but rather Paul said in Romans 2:13 that is not the hearers, but the doers of the law who will be justified.


Here is where a most wonderful change is found:

Acts 10:43-44 While Peter spoke the Holy Spirit fell on all of them which heard the word.
(MY NOTE: They Believed (vs43) & as Peter spoke (vs44) The Holy Spirit fell on them (vs45). No repentance of any kind here, No water baptism, No circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, No law keeping, no sin confessions.

Read Act chapter 10. Peter preached the sin atoning death & resurrection to these Gentiles. And by Faith & faith alone they received Christ baptizes them with His eternal salvation sealing Holy Spirit. (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 4:30)

In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law, in John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, and in Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth. In John 16:8, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of God's law. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh, who are enemies of God, who refuse to submit to God's law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against God's law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's nature that are in accordance with it. In Acts 2:26, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to God's law and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey God's law.


Finally,
The New covenant mediated by Christ today. Is the extension/fulfilment of the unilateral unconditional covenant promise God made to Abraham (Gen 15:4-5). This covenant promise came 430 years before (Gal 3:17) the Mosaic law covenant. And is received thru Faith (Gal 3:14) in a righteous God & not by any righteous works of man.

All praise, glory & honor belong to our Great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ! AMEN & Amen.

In Galatians 3:8, the Gospel to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand was made known in advance to Abraham, which he multiplied through his children to turn from their wickedness and how to walk in God's way in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:5). In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in God's way by doing righteousness and justice that the Lord may bring to Abraham all that he has promised, namely, in Genesis 26:4-5, God would multiply his children as the stars in the heaven, to his children He would give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth will be blessed because he heard God's voice and kept His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws. In Deuteronomy 30:16, if the Israelites will love God with all of their heart and soul by walking in His way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws, then He will bless them and multiply them in the land in which they go to posses. So all of the promises in accordance with the Gospel were made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household how to do that, and because his children did that. In Psalms 119:1-3, God's law is how the children of Abraham knew how to live blessed lives, so the way to inherit the promise through faith is by multiplying the children of Abraham through teaching others how to live blessed lives by turning from their wickedness and living in obedience to God's law, and Jesus is the fulfillment of that promise, who was sent to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26).

A chip off the old block is someone who has the same character or nature, or are in the same image of their father, which is expressed through doing the same works as them, which is why Jesus said in John 8:39 that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works that he did. So that is the sense that Jesus is the Son of God insofar as he is the exact image of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), which is expressed by setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so that is also the sense that we are children of God when we are partaking in his nature through following his example. In Romans 3:31, our faith upholds God's law, and in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so in regard to Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God, through faith, in Christ, being children of Abraham, and heirs to the promise is directly connected to living in obedience to God's law.
 
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I am not sure what you are suggesting. But the reality is the bulk of the law still remains.

Mat 5:18-19 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

and

James 2:19-20 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Obedience is coupled with faith, we first must respond to the offer of forgiveness found on the cross, then do our best to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, it is not a sloppy romp through life.

John 14:21-24 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.

Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;​

FutureAndAHope wrote: the old and the new covenant are the same. The only difference is where they are written.

MY reply: Heb 8:6-13 (posted below) & the entire 9th chapter (link provided below) disagree with your unscriptural posted position.

FutureAndAHope wrote:
Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exoduce 34
28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

My reply: This covenant is with Israel only:
Exodus 19:3 "say to the house of Jacob" "and tell the children of Israel".
Verse 8, And all the people answered together, and said, all that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.

Any gentile could become a part = Proselyte. Any gentile wanting to convert. Had to agree to adhere to Mosaic Law, bring a sacrifice to the Temple Priest, be circumcised & undergo a full mikveh.

The Temple & the Levitical priesthood were destroyed in 70 AD, 1950+years ago. So how could anyone alive today bring an animal sacrifice to either? No one alive today has ever been under Mosaic law.

Also see Gal 2:16, 3:9-10 Rom 6:14 (all posted below) There are many more.

FutureAndAHope wrote:
Hebrews 10:15-17
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

same covenant

My reply: Curious verse to support your claim that the 2 covenants are the same? The Lord is saying He'll make a New (spiritual) covenant with them. The whole chapter speaks of a new better covenant...

FutureAndAHope wrote:
Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

On tables of stone (old) in your Heart (new)

My reply: The Lord doesn't change; He do change the way He administers His will. It's called dispensations. He administered the Abrahamic covenant by faith (we today are a part of it.) He administered the Mosaic law covenant thru self-works.

Hebrews 8:
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews chapter 9 link King Janes Version
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 9 - King James Version

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
 
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the old and the new covenant are the same.

Heb 8:
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(MY NOTE: The risen Christ obtained is the mediator of "a better covenant" "which was established upon better promises." They're NOT the same!

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(MY NOTE: The old covenant had faults, so a new covenant is established. They're NOT the same!)

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(MY NOTE: The new Christ mediated covenant replaced the old Mosaic law covenant. They're NOT the same!
 
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Heb 8:
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(MY NOTE: The risen Christ obtained is the mediator of "a better covenant" "which was established upon better promises." They're NOT the same!

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(MY NOTE: The old covenant had faults, so a new covenant is established. They're NOT the same!)

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Common Misunderstandings of Hebrews 8
 
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the old and the new covenant are the same. The only difference is where they are written.

Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
(The 1st Levitical/Mosaic sin management covenant was worldly/physical/temporal)

Verses 2-7 speak of the old covenants worldly/physical/temporal set up & priestly service.

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
(MY NOTE: The worldly/physical/temporal priests had faults)

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(MY NOTE: Christ mediates NEW BETTER covenant (They're NOT the same!) His once offered for all time. Sinless eternal blood sin manage covenant REMOVES (not just covers) sin.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
(MY NOTE: Christs' God blood/spiritual/eternal covenant is BETTER. They're NOT the same!)

1 Corinthians 15:
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
(MY NOTE: The laws purpose, expose sin & condemn the sinner without mercy to death. [Gal 3:10,17,22-25 which leads to death]

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Jn 3:4 Sin is a transgression of the Law:
Everyone has sinned & broken God's law (Rom 3:23) & deserves death (Rom 6:23)

No one can say they're not a sinner unless some means is provided (not to take away the law). But to remove the sin, which is the transgression of the law. Faith placed in Jesus' sin payment & resurrection takes away/removes ALL our sin. Once our sins have been removed, there is no transgression of the law.

The old covenant couldn't remove sin (Heb 10:4). They're NOT the same! Peace, JJ
 
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The issue for me is that saying the old covenant laws are done away with is dangerous to people's faith. It may fill a person's mind with the thought "Oh, I don't need to keep any commands in the old testament", the fact is that we do need to keep the law, at least in principle, i.e. we should not murder, we should not commit adultery.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

The kind of thinking that removes the law is dangerous, yes we are saved by grace, and the law has no power to condemn, but continual sin leads to spiritual blindness and can lead one away from the faith, even into hell.

Heb 3:12-13 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "TODAY," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Jesus made it clear, that our desires must be tempered, they must be purged. Saying the law no longer exists leads to sin. It leads to a lack of fear of keeping God's word.

Mat 5:27-30 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

It is Jesus Himself who said the commandments of the law remain.

Mat 5:17-19 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 
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The issue for me is that saying the old covenant laws are done away with is dangerous to people's faith. It may fill a person's mind with the thought "Oh, I don't need to keep any commands in the old testament", the fact is that we do need to keep the law, at least in principle, i.e. we should not murder, we should not commit adultery.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

The kind of thinking that removes the law is dangerous, yes we are saved by grace, and the law has no power to condemn, but continual sin leads to spiritual blindness and can lead one away from the faith, even into hell.

Heb 3:12-13 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "TODAY," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Jesus made it clear, that our desires must be tempered, they must be purged. Saying the law no longer exists leads to sin. It leads to a lack of fear of keeping God's word.

Mat 5:27-30 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

It is Jesus Himself who said the commandments of the law remain.

Mat 5:17-19 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

FutureAndAHope, yours is the only post in this thread that has suggested. That old covenant laws are done away with.

My stated position is: No one living today is or has ever been under the Mosaic law covenant.

What I see as dangerous is placing people under the curses of a law that nobody can live up to. When they stumble (we all do) they self-condemn & often give up. Over the years I've seen many newbies choked out by this worldly false teaching (it's sad & heart breaking).

FutureAndAHope, to the Rom 6:1 verse you cited
This notion that because you're under grace you will/can sin all you want isn't based in scripture. It's like saying, well in your wedding vow you promised for better of worst. So, now either spouse can commit adultery with impunity. Just a stretch that goes too far.

Romans 1:5 "Through him we received grace" & apostleship "to call all the Gentiles to the obedience" "that comes from faith" for his name’s sake.
(MY NOTE: Scripture say's, Faith leads will lead to obedience)

Romans 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, "so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience" "that comes from faith"
(MY NOTE: Romans is written to believers (see Rom 1:7) Here again scripture teaches. Believers will be brought to obedience thru Faith)

Titus 2:
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

The risen Lord Himself choose & sent the apostle Paul to teach the gospel of the grace of God. No place does Paul ever (nor have I) claimed anyone should live ungodly. Paul wrote the Romans & Titus verses I shared as well.

FutureAndAHope, to the Matt 5:17-18 verses you used
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
(MY NOTE: Anyone claiming Jesus didn't fulfil any laws. Is claiming Christ failed at his mission)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

(MY NOTE: Jesus' sin atoning sacrifice fulfilled the laws required wage for sin. Any/every person that will accept/embrace this payment (The Father accepted it; Jesus' resurrection is proof) will have every sin removed!

At the white throne judgment every/all people that reject Jesus' sin atoning payment. Will be judged, condemned & sentenced to suffer every jot & tittle of punishment owed)

FutureAndAHope, to the Mat 5:27-30 verses you used

LOVE & FAITH are the new covenant pillars:

Matt 22:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 And Jesus replied to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, unselfishly seek the best or higher good for others].
(MY NOTE: Love God 1st & love your brother)

40 The whole Law and the [writings of the] Prophets depend on these two commandments.” (Also see Mark 12:28-34, John 13:34-35)
(MY NOTE: If we truly love God & our brother. We won't kill, steal, covet, falsely accuse etc)

Royal Law:

Ja 2:8 If, however, you are [really] fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, if you have an unselfish concern for others and do things for their benefit]” you are doing well.

Law of Christ:

Gal 6:2 Carry one another’s burdens and in this way you will fulfill the requirements of the law of Christ [that is, the law of Christian love].

1 Cor 9:21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law
(MY NOTE: If we truly love God & our brother. We won't kill, steal, covet, falsely accuse etc)

Love:

Gal 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one precept, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, you shall have an unselfish concern for others and do things for their benefit].

Rom 13:8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love and seek the best for one another; for he who [unselfishly] loves his neighbor has fulfilled the [essence of the] law.

1 Thes 4:9 Now concerning brotherly love, you have no need for anyone to write you, for you have been [personally] taught by God to love one another [that is, to have an unselfish concern for others and to do things for their benefit].

1 Jn 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe [with personal faith and confident trust] in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and [that we unselfishly] love and seek the best for one another, just as He commanded us.

1 Jn 4:
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love

1 Cor 13:
4 Love endures with patience and serenity, love is kind and thoughtful, and is not jealous or envious; love does not brag and is not proud or arrogant.

5 It is not rude; it is not self-seeking, it is not provoked [nor overly sensitive and easily angered]; it does not take into account a wrong endured.

6 It does not rejoice at injustice, but rejoices with the truth [when right and truth prevail].

7 Love bears all things [regardless of what comes], believes all things [looking for the best in each one], hopes all things [remaining steadfast during difficult times], endures all things [without weakening].

Summery:
Love; patiently endues, is always kind, truthful & forgiving.

Love is never jealous, envious, boastful, proud, arrogant, rude selfish, provoked, vindictive.
 
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(MY NOTE: The new Christ mediated covenant replaced the old Mosaic law covenant. They're NOT the same!

So what law is written on your heart?

Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
 
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So what law is written on your heart?

Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Love, God 1st & Faith towards the Father & the Son. Are written in my heart.

Quoting an OT (Mosaic Israel only) verse & claiming it support's your false notion. That it's still in force (when the temple & priesthood were dissolved over 1500 yrs ago) doesn't make it true.

Rom 10:

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

(MY NOTE: OT law covenant demanded self-works. NT Christ did all the work (deserves all the praise & glory) And through belief/faith in His work. He imputes His righteousness (only He is righteous) onto the believer through faith)

God made a covenant promise to Abraham based on righteousness imputed through faith (Gen 15:4-6). That it would include ALL nations (Gen 22:18)

The new risen eternal Christ mediated new covenant is that promise being fulfilled (righteousness imputed through faith, NOT works!)

Gal 3:8-17

Verse 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of no effect.

(MY NOTE: This (Abrahamic) covenant promise is made 430 years before the Mosaic LAW covenant & the Mosaic LAW covenant doesn't annual Abram's FAITH covenant promise. That includes ALL peoples)

I agree God never changes (His promises & prophecy's); having said He does apply dispensational management/administrative stewardship changes.

Dispensation - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (studybible.info)
 
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the old and the new covenant are the same. The only difference is where they are written. same covenant.

Context verses 20 to 31 is:
Justification/Righteousness accessed through FAITH. Without obedience to Mosaic laws.

Rom 3:
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
(MY NOTE: No one will be justified =Declared righteous by a sovereign God. Through obedience to Mosaic law keeping!)

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
(MY NOTE: The righteousness of God without obedience to Mosaic law keeping, is manifested/revealed)

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
(MY NOTE: The righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ. Christ' righteousness will be imputed onto all that BELIEVE. Thru FAITH. Not thru self-righteous works of law keeping)

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(MY NOTE: Being justified/receiving Christ' imputed righteousness. Through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus & accessed thru FAITH (Also see Rom 5:1-2)

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
(MY NOTE: Propitiation means reconciling atonement. Thru FAITH in Christ' blood. Not thru obedience to Mosaic law keeping.

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
(NOTE: This verse declares the righteousness of Jesus & proclaims Him as the justifier of those who: believe/have FAITH in Him > His sin payment & resurrection. Not those that promote Mosaic law keeping)

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
(MY NOTE: By the law of obedience to Mosaic law keeping? NO! By the LAW of FAITH)

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
(MY NOTE: Man is justified [see KJV Dictionary definition below] = judicially declared righteous by a sovereign God= by FAITH without the deeds of the law. ALSO see Acts 15:24)

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
(MY NOTE: He's God of BOTH, jew & gentile)

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
(NOTE: God justifies = Declared righteous. The circumcision = Jew, by/through "FAITH". And uncircumcision = Gentiles through/by "FAITH")

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
(NOTE: If you'll read verse 31 in context. It's the new covenant LAW of FAITH that's being established, just "REREAD vs 27".)

KJV Dictionary Definition: JUSTIFICATION. (4) In theology, remission of sin and absolution from guilt and punishment; or an act of free grace by which God pardons the sinner and accepts him as righteous, on account of the atonement of Christ.
(MY NOTE: Does God accept a sinner as righteous thru obedience to Mosaic law keeping? NO! By God's FREE GIFT of grace (Rom 3:24) thru FAITH in Christ' sin atoning work. Is how the sinner receive's Christ' FREE GIFT (Rom 5:17&18) of imputed righteousness.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(MY NOTE: Man IS NOT JUSTIIED thru obedience to Mosaic law keeping! Obedience to Mosaic law keeping "WILL SAVE NO ONE!)

Reconciliation, Restoration, Justification/Salvation/Righteousness. ALL come by Grace thru Faith & faith alone. So, no one can boast about how good they are (Eph 2:8-9)

Jesus sin redeeming/payment did all the work. All anyone need do is place their FAITH in Him.

The Lord Jesus deserves ALL credit, praise, glory & honor. AMEN & Amen...
 
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Love, God 1st & Faith towards the Father & the Son. Are written in my heart.

def of Love according to the bible
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Matthew 22:36-41 King James Version
You need to read verse 40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 Thphets that hlais is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


I ask you what are the law and the prophets that hang on these two laws?
 
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Context verses 20 to 31 is:
Justification/Righteousness accessed through. Without obedience to Mosaic laws.

Rom 3:
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
(MY NOTE: No one will be justified =Declared righteous by a sovereign God. Through obedience to Mosaic law keeping!)

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
(MY NOTE: The righteousness of God without obedience to Mosaic law keeping, is manifested/revealed)

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
(MY NOTE: The righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ. Christ' righteousness will be imputed onto all that BELIEVE. Thru FAITH. Not thru self-righteous works of law keeping)

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(MY NOTE: Being justified/receiving Christ' imputed righteousness. Through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus & accessed thru FAITH (Also see Rom 5:1-2)

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
(MY NOTE: Propitiation means reconciling atonement. Thru FAITH in Christ' blood. Not thru obedience to Mosaic law keeping.

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
(NOTE: This verse declares the righteousness of Jesus & proclaims Him as the justifier of those who: believe/have FAITH in Him > His sin payment & resurrection. Not those that promote Mosaic law keeping)

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
(MY NOTE: By the law of obedience to Mosaic law keeping? NO! By the LAW of FAITH)

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
(MY NOTE: Man is justified [see KJV Dictionary definition below] = judicially declared righteous by a sovereign God= by FAITH without the deeds of the law. ALSO see Acts 15:24)

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
(MY NOTE: He's God of BOTH, jew & gentile)

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
(NOTE: God justifies = Declared righteous. The circumcision = Jew, by/through "FAITH". And uncircumcision = Gentiles through/by "FAITH")

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
(NOTE: If you'll read verse 31 in context. It's the new covenant LAW of FAITH that's being established, just "REREAD vs 27".)

KJV Dictionary Definition: JUSTIFICATION. (4) In theology, remission of sin and absolution from guilt and punishment; or an act of free grace by which God pardons the sinner and accepts him as righteous, on account of the atonement of Christ.
(MY NOTE: Does God accept a sinner as righteous thru obedience to Mosaic law keeping? NO! By God's FREE GIFT of grace (Rom 3:24) thru FAITH in Christ' sin atoning work. Is how the sinner receive's Christ' FREE GIFT (Rom 5:17&18) of imputed righteousness.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(MY NOTE: Man IS NOT JUSTIIED thru obedience to Mosaic law keeping! Obedience to Mosaic law keeping "WILL SAVE NO ONE!)

Reconciliation, Restoration, Justification/Salvation/Righteousness. ALL come by Grace thru Faith & faith alone. So, no one can boast about how good they are (Eph 2:8-9)

Jesus sin redeeming/payment did all the work. All anyone need do is place their FAITH in Him.

The Lord Jesus deserves ALL credit, praise, glory & honor. AMEN & Amen...

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40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

I ask you what are the law and the prophets that hang on these two laws?

Matt 22:
34 Now when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced (muzzled) the Sadducees, they gathered together.

35 One of them, a lawyer [an expert in Mosaic Law], asked Jesus a question, to test Him:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 And Jesus replied to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, unselfishly seek the best or higher good for others].’

40 The whole Law and the [writings of the] Prophets depend on these two commandments.”
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22 - Amplified Bible

(MY ANSWER: Those 2 commandments contain the fundamental principles that fulfills (the whole law) & everything (the prophets wrote)

LOVE fulfills the law (1 Cor 9:20, Rom 13:4-8, Gal 6:2, Ja 2. If you truly love someone. You wouldn't kill, steal, covet their stuff etc.
 
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Matt 22:
34 Now when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced (muzzled) the Sadducees, they gathered together.

35 One of them, a lawyer [an expert in Mosaic Law], asked Jesus a question, to test Him:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 And Jesus replied to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, unselfishly seek the best or higher good for others].’

40 The whole Law and the [writings of the] Prophets depend on these two commandments.”
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22 - Amplified Bible

(MY ANSWER: Those 2 commandments contain the fundamental principles that fulfills (the whole law) & everything (the prophets wrote)

LOVE fulfills the law (1 Cor 9:20, Rom 13:4-8, Gal 6:2, Ja 2:). If you truly love someone. You wouldn't kill, steal, covet their stuff etc.

Indeed, if we love God and our neighbor, then we also won't commit kidnapping, rape, favoritism, and so forth for everything else commanded in the whole law, so the command to love fulfills the whole law because it is inclusive of everything in it and everything in the whole law hangs on the greatest two commandments because they are all examples of how to correctly obey them, so they are all connected.
 
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