War

[dogs4thewin]

My point is that we are to be separate from the world, and pray. We let God execute judgement.

You guys are saying that when prayer fails, pick up arms and march off to war. I dont agree. Paul clearly says that we dont war in the flesh. Also remember that im not saying God doesnt go to war. Im saying we dont. God is the avenger upon the lawless, according to my understanding.

Let me asks you this do you believe one can believe in and do both sense even you admit that sometimes God uses war to bring peace?

 

[W2L]

Its about fighting a spiritual warfare, that is contrary to a carnal one. The flesh and spirit are against each other. We dont war in the flesh, although we do walk in it. You cant fight spiritual warfare with a sword. It must be done with the Word.

 

[devin553344]

I WANTED to serve BADLY since I was just ten ( after 9/11 I am 25 now with an Aug birthday) However my CP and seizure history makes me unfit, but if I could have I would have signed that dotted line as soon as I legally could with the DEP or as soon as I graduated high school.

Yeah my sisters has seizure history, tough thing on her, I hope your doing OK. I think people should serve. That's my personal belief. If they can serve, if not than church is a service, service to mankind in a good way also.

 

[W2L]

Let me asks you this do you believe one can believe in and do both sense even you admit that sometimes God uses war to bring peace?

I believe with God anything is possible. Im a firm believer in Grace too. Im a sinner who is a saint only by Gods grace. Im least among the body. Not because im humble, but because im a sinner. God always uses war to bring peace. God always has a logical endgame planned.

 

[W2L]

Yeah my sisters has seizure history, tough thing on her, I hope your doing OK. I think people should serve. That's my personal belief. If they can serve, if not than church is a service, service to mankind in a good way also.

People can serve without killing.

 

[Beaker]

Forgive me if if i'm in the wrong forum with this. If i am please let me know and i'll have staff move it. Thank you.

This thread addresses the morality of war. How can we support war? Shouldn't we be praying instead of bombing people?

That's all very well in saying that, which makes the Christian life seem weak and a total wash over. People seem to forget that Christ also used force when He saw the injustices of the sellers/money changers in the Temple - the House of God. Turning over the tables could be deemed a war on the injustice of the society. We are also in a DAILY spiritual war and satan can use physical entities to destroy us just as much as spiritual ones. If people are coming into our country who will prevent us from worshipping the one true God, - El Shaddai, then YES I believe we MUST stand up for ourselves and our Maker, even though we KNOW that HE can stand up for Himself. However "32So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven 33but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. [Matt 10] So by sitting back doing nothing when you are being persecuted, because you have been told that war is bad, then to a certain extent, you are also denying God

 

[381465]

People can serve without killing.

I'll bet the Marine is aware of this.

 

[devin553344]

People can serve without killing.

Sure, there is clergy in the military and medical aid staff that save lives every day, I don't believe they kill in their service, but I could be mistaken. I believe God would like a perfect world of peace and not killing, too bad that doesn't happen I pray for the sinner that they will repent and also for myself.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God told us war is bad.
He did not tell us to do nothing.
He told us not to be violent,
to follow in JESUS footsteps,
to heal as JESUS heals,
to bring peace, as JESUS brings peace.

Denying God's Word is the profitmongers , the warmongers, those who are for violence,
and those who trust in money and in power.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I'll bet the Marine is aware of this.

Desmond Doss proved it to everyone.

 

[W2L]

That's all very well in saying that, which makes the Christian life seem weak and a total wash over. People seem to forget that Christ also used force when He saw the injustices of the sellers/money changers in the Temple - the House of God. Turning over the tables could be deemed a war on the injustice of the society. We are also in a DAILY spiritual war and satan can use physical entities to destroy us just as much as spiritual ones. If people are coming into our country who will prevent us from worshipping the one true God, - El Shaddai, then YES I believe we MUST stand up for ourselves and our Maker, even though we KNOW that HE can stand up for Himself. However "32So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven 33but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. [Matt 10] So by sitting back doing nothing when you are being persecuted, because you have been told that war is bad, then to a certain extent, you are also denying God

We judge those inside the Church. We dont bomb them though.

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”[a]

 

[W2L]

God told us war is bad.
He did not tell us to do nothing.
He told us not to be violent,
to follow in JESUS footsteps,
to heal as JESUS heals,
to bring peace, as JESUS brings peace.

Denying God's Word is the profitmongers , the warmongers, those who are for violence,
and those who trust in money and in power.

King David wasnt allowed to built Gods temple because he shed much blood.

Davids throne lasts forever however. Its the kingdom of God. Christ sits at Gods right hand, in heaven, and we wait for the Lord there, indeed we are hidden with Christ, in God, there. That is where our citizenship is as well.

2 Samuel 7:16 But your family and your kingdom will continue always before me. Your throne will last forever.’”

 

[dogs4thewin]

Sure, there is clergy in the military and medical aid staff that save lives every day, I don't believe they kill in their service, but I could be mistaken. I believe God would like a perfect world of peace and not killing, too bad that doesn't happen I pray for the sinner that they will repent and also for myself.

They do not, but they usually must be willing to part of the oath of enlistment is the willingness to bear arms, so pasfists are not allowed. That does not mean that it is a regular part of their duty MOS/AFSC/Rating ( what the various branches call their enlisted jobs, but in today's all volunteer military they may NOT be morally opposed to bearing arms.

 

[W2L]

The apostles didnt fight carnal wars, just as Paul clearly says. They did however rely upon God to save them. Paul teaches us to follow his example, because he follows Christ, who went to the cross.


2 Corinthians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also abounds through Christ. 6 Now if we are afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effective for enduring the same sufferings which we also suffer. Or if we are comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation. 7 And our hope for you is steadfast, because we know that as you are partakers of the sufferings, so also you will partake of the consolation.


8 For we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, of our trouble which came to us in Asia: that we were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even of life. 9 Yes, we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead, 10 who delivered us from so great a death, and does[a] deliver us; in whom we trust that He will still deliver us, 11 you also helping together in prayer for us, that thanks may be given by many persons on our behalf for the gift granted to us through many.

 

[devin553344]

The apostles didnt fight carnal wars, just as Paul clearly says. They did however rely upon God to save them. Paul teaches us to follow his example, because he follows Christ, who went to the cross.


2 Corinthians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also abounds through Christ. 6 Now if we are afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effective for enduring the same sufferings which we also suffer. Or if we are comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation. 7 And our hope for you is steadfast, because we know that as you are partakers of the sufferings, so also you will partake of the consolation.


8 For we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, of our trouble which came to us in Asia: that we were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even of life. 9 Yes, we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead, 10 who delivered us from so great a death, and does[a] deliver us; in whom we trust that He will still deliver us, 11 you also helping together in prayer for us, that thanks may be given by many persons on our behalf for the gift granted to us through many.

Yeah, they didn't have a freedom of religion country to live in, their dominion was exterminating Christians, that is truly sad, that they didn't have a cause worth fighting for, except to die on the cross against the dominion that despised them. I wonder if things would have been different if their country was Christian and had warring countries trying to rape, kill and otherwise enslave them like Moses' time?

 

[devin553344]

They do not, but they usually must be willing to part of the oath of enlistment is the willingness to bear arms, so pasfists are not allowed. That does not mean that it is a regular part of their duty MOS/AFSC/Rating ( what the various branches call their enlisted jobs, but in today's all volunteer military they may NOT be morally opposed to bearing arms.

I was taught in terrorist training not to disclose my enlistment in places like this too much, but I do remember being taught that we were warriors first. And many of the jobs in the military never see combat.

 

[W2L]

Yeah, they didn't have a freedom of religion country to live in, their dominion was exterminating Christians, that is truly sad, that they didn't have a cause worth fighting for, except to die on the cross against the dominion that despised them. I wonder if things would have been different if their country was Christian and had warring countries trying to rape, kill and otherwise enslave them like Moses' time?

They had Gods power on their side. You say thats sad? Its better to fight in wars?

 

[dogs4thewin]

I was taught in terrorist training not to disclose my enlistment in places like this too much, but I do remember being taught that we were warriors first. And many of the jobs in the military never see combat.

Yes, but my point was that they must morally speaking be OK with combat. There are plenty of them who may not see a day of actual combat, BUT they must not be opposed to bearing arms if they are called to do so. In other words, they must be willing to fight even if their MOS/AFSC/Rating does not usually see combat. No Pastfists ( those who are opposed to violence on ANY grounds are permitted to serve in today's all volunteer military.

 

[dogs4thewin]

They had Gods power on their side. You say thats sad? Its better to fight in wars?

He is saying that it is sad that they do not have the freedom to worship without having to fear the government in body. It is sad that if they go to church the government may kill them. The government may take their property for no other reason than the fact they are a Christian.

 

[SeventyOne]

But you voted for trump to do it for ya. Boom! okay maybe you didnt but my point still stands.

Just because you vote for someone doesn't mean you are responsible for all their actions other than those they said they would do that you had prior knowledge of beforehand.

That logic is amazingly lacking is substance.