lovemysoldier said:
Hmmm over 100,000 dead. Nice way to protect them. I'm sure their families appreciate their 'freedom'...
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Hmmm over 100,000 dead. Nice way to protect them. I'm sure their families appreciate their 'freedom'...
lovemysoldier
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That statement demonizes our soldiers and portrays them as cold-blooded killers and is uncalled for in a CHRISTIAN forum. Our soldiers are not blood hungry and out to kill for fun. They work side by side with the Iraqi police and civilians to help make the streets safer. The Iraqis that are dieing are largely being killed by the hoodlums that are responsible for the kidnapping, beheading, bombing, vandalizing of life dependant supply routes, and for the terror that each family is faced with on a daily basis. Our soldiers are building and stocking schools and hospitals and are ensuring that the terrorist fail at ensuring that people go hungry and die from the heat of the summer and the cold of winter. Shame on you for having such a cold and judgemental heart towards your soldiers who are also your brothers and sisters in Christ.
Romans 14:4
Who are you to condemn Gods servants? They are responsible to the Lord, so let Him tell them whether or not they are right or wrong. The Lords power will help them as they should.
I dont know why it is so hard to believe that I believe in something bigger than the USA, Iraq, Bush and Saddam. I dont believe in coincidences or chance. I believe in that our God, our Father is all sovereign and in control. While not all things are promised to be good, all things will work out for good. Even the demons, to their frustration, answer to God and their deeds always end up paving the way for Gods good will.
I look at everything with spiritual eyes. I know that I am incapable of seeing the whole picture and I dont worry, doubt or judge because I know that God holds the reigns. God has a purpose for us being in Iraq or He wouldnt have allowed it. While I do not see the picture like God does, I am capable of seeing the good that my husband and the rest of our soldiers are doing there. The Iraqis are not just people from a distant land, victims of an occupying source. They are friends and family and I hope to one day break bread with them and reminisce and celebrate how things have changed for the better for them since they gained freedom. I believe in our mission and God and see all of the good that is being done and am proud to have been a part of it.
Romans 14:4
Who are you to condemn Gods servants? They are responsible to the Lord, so let Him tell them whether or not they are right or wrong. The Lords power will help them as they should.
I dont know why it is so hard to believe that I believe in something bigger than the USA, Iraq, Bush and Saddam. I dont believe in coincidences or chance. I believe in that our God, our Father is all sovereign and in control. While not all things are promised to be good, all things will work out for good. Even the demons, to their frustration, answer to God and their deeds always end up paving the way for Gods good will.
I look at everything with spiritual eyes. I know that I am incapable of seeing the whole picture and I dont worry, doubt or judge because I know that God holds the reigns. God has a purpose for us being in Iraq or He wouldnt have allowed it. While I do not see the picture like God does, I am capable of seeing the good that my husband and the rest of our soldiers are doing there. The Iraqis are not just people from a distant land, victims of an occupying source. They are friends and family and I hope to one day break bread with them and reminisce and celebrate how things have changed for the better for them since they gained freedom. I believe in our mission and God and see all of the good that is being done and am proud to have been a part of it.
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"I dont know why it is so hard to believe that I believe in something bigger than the USA, Iraq, Bush and Saddam. I dont believe in coincidences or chance. I believe in that our God, our Father is all sovereign and in control. While not all things are promised to be good, all things will work out for good. Even the demons, to their frustration, answer to God and their deeds always end up paving the way for Gods good will."
Ok, first let me say that my following comment is not a comparison between Hitler and our soldiers, so don't go getting all offended over something I didn't say...again.
Did God want six million Jews to die in the Holocaust? Was that under His soveriegn control, in your opinion? Was Hitler doing God's will?
Ok, first let me say that my following comment is not a comparison between Hitler and our soldiers, so don't go getting all offended over something I didn't say...again.
Did God want six million Jews to die in the Holocaust? Was that under His soveriegn control, in your opinion? Was Hitler doing God's will?
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lovemysoldier said:
They're not 'my soldiers'. they didn't invade Sovereign Iraqi territory in my name. If i were American I'd be ashamed of abuses on the Iraqi people being enacted on a daily basis.
Did you hear about the Sex perverts in Abu ghraib in american uniform? Or the 'car parking' of Falluja by American forces killing thousands, making the survivors homeless without fathers, husbands and brothers.
Shameful indeed...
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Benedicta00
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This belongs in the political forum, not here.
I will say it again and for the last time, soldiers are not murders, shame on anyone who thinks they are. Go ahead and believe the bias, twisted, evil media if you will. You dont/wont hear about the good, you only here about the 1% bad and you believe all soldiers are this way, how foolish can anyone be?
To actually think the majority of soldiers there went there and are there to commit murder on innocent civilians and to make children homeless and orphans. Give me a break.
I will say it again and for the last time, soldiers are not murders, shame on anyone who thinks they are. Go ahead and believe the bias, twisted, evil media if you will. You dont/wont hear about the good, you only here about the 1% bad and you believe all soldiers are this way, how foolish can anyone be?
To actually think the majority of soldiers there went there and are there to commit murder on innocent civilians and to make children homeless and orphans. Give me a break.
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Benedicta00
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No, but God allows evil so that good may come of it. And God also chastises. The apparitions of Fatima speak directly to why that and still this, is happening.Defens0rFidei said:
Mary said and it sums it up easily for anyone to understand, War is a punishment for sin you can not keep offending God, who is already much offended.
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Benedicta00
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Arent you in the military yourself? I know you arent disrespecting the armed forces. I dont think this was the right time for this, I am glad Sadam is out of rule, it was worth getting him out but Bush is doing the right thing, it is just that it is not in Gods time, IMO. I think pope knows this too.Defens0rFidei said:"I am appalled that our brave men and women in uniform are being demonized and portrayed as heartless cold-blooded killers."
Perhaps you should re-read the opening post. I clearly said it is not the fault of the soldiers. I support the troops. I work at an Air Force base for crying out loud.
And no Michelle, I don't plan on spitting on any soldiers. My father was a career Army chaplain that served in Vietnam. I have great respect for the Armed Forces. I just tend to agree with the Pope that they should be used justly, sorry for "bringing a liberal agenda" to the forum to "set it up" as Greg accused me of doing.
I really dont want to get into a deep conversation about the war, but I think when we as a nation and through out Europe give up the culture of death we have embraced then we will see the tables truing and we will win the war against terror, which IMO is nothing more than an attack against Christianity. I think Bush is forcing the issue now, I will say I believe much of it is due to settling the score for the legacy for his dad, but I digress on that one. The war on terror should begin fighting the culture of death and then we will see the grace from God to win this thing. IMO only, its what I think; it is spiritual battle more than anything.
In the meantime, we need to support those who are risking their own lives, leaving their own children fatherless and even motherless to fight. It is shame that anyone would call them murders.
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D'Ann
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lovemysoldier said:
Amen and my prayers are with you. My 2nd cousin Bobby is fighting in Iraq right now. He volunteered because obviously he, like many others, believe in what they are doing and standing for. War is ugly and cruel, but so is Saddam Hussein and his tyranny. Despite what some liberals believe, Saddam was supporting the Terrorists. I'm looking forward to Iraq becoming a free country that can vote for their own leadership and government.
God's Peace,
D'Ann
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Benedicta00
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So?Cjwinnit said:
The USA is not Nazie Germany. Give me a break. Who are you trying to convince of this?
If you think you are living in Nazi Germany, then by all means, leave. Go live in that country where their soldiers arent murders and there is peace and freedom where there is no communist/terrorist rule.
Where you have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to make a living, where women have freedom to walk down the street with no head coverings.
Find that country for me please, and let me know when you do and where it is located on the map.
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.... And 58,000,000 + Americans wanted W fired.
Mandates are so fickle
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Sil said:
Peach fuzz logic and trivializing drivel.
What's your point that Nazis were no worse than today's Americans?
Because liberals in the West start supporting the Taliban, and regimes such as Saddam's as having an inherent right to exist, the very idea of liberalism is rendered absolutely meaningless.
The reasons for fighting in Iraq are by no means a slam dunk, but to argue against America and Nazi Germany being the same is like arguing against a marshmallow.
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solomon said:
That wasn't my argument. I was simply pointing out that some of the rhetoric used (implying things like you must agree with everything our government does or you shouldn't be here) is a hallmark of fascism and dictatorial regime.
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Benedicta00
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Again, if there is any better deal out there than the USA, by all means go and live there.
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For someone like Shelb who i'd say believes that America is briniging 'freedom' to the world on one hand and evicting people from America who have a different slant on things is ironic to say the least...
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