War On Terror

[Cosmic Charlie]

Um, not to be picky or anything, but......

"organzation"?

"hositlities"?

"declarcation"?

"retailitory"?

"convey's"?

"Conspriacy"?

"Claimly"?

"memiors"?

Uh.....is them words???



I don't know. What were they teaching you in English class back then?

"It is an exceptionally poor mind that cannot come up with more than one way to correctly spell a word"

-A. Lincohn (yes THAT A. Lincohn)

 

[Benedicta00]

"It is an exceptionally poor mind that cannot come up with more than one way to correctly spell a word"

-A. Lincohn (yes THAT A. Lincohn)

I so happen to agree with Abe.

 

[Benedicta00]

I am appalled that our brave men and women in uniform are being demonized and portrayed as heartless cold-blooded killers. The check point incident that was illustrated was unfortunate but lets look deeper in the matter.

Here we see a car full of women and children charging through a check point. Why would do they do that if checkpoint protocol is clearly understood in the region, there are signs posted in their native tongue near and far from the checkpoint, and there are numerous verbal warnings to halt. The Iraqi citizens are glad that we are there. We are freeing them from the terrorists that are plaguing that land. These poor people are forced to live in constant fear of their lives and for their children. Ther people responsible for the terror continue to blow up bridges, cut off power in the heat of the desert, destroy supply lines that the villagers depend on for their daily bread. These awful people wound the innocent and place bombs under them hoping to kill whoever comes to their aid, and it is usually an AMERICAN SOLDIER. These terrorists force families to rush checkpoints and I wouldn't blame them for doing so. They would die a quicker and more humane death from that act than from a torture and beheading party that is common practice for these sick individuals.

It is easy to sit back and judge while sipping on starbucks and living the life of luxery. We live in a blessed country and have no idea what it is like to live life in constant fear and oppression. Without hope there is nothing.

Our American soldiers, the same soldiers that are being demonized in this thread, are helping so many gain hope for a better way of life for their families and their future. They are building schools, hospitals, rebuilding bridges, supplying food, clothing and medicine, giving vaccinations, etc. The Iraqi people have a constitution, a bill of rights and are about to vote in their first free election!

If you are unable to have faith in our government and our soldier that sacrifice EVERYTHING in the pursuit of freedom for ALL of mankind, then at least have faith in our God, our Father. God is in control. We as humans are unable to see the whole picture of what is going on in Iraq, all we see is what is on the news. Just remember that although not all things are good, all things work out for good and God's will WILL be done.

God is the Allmighty commander in chief.

Romans 14:4
4Who are you to condemn God's servants? They are responsible to the Lord, so let him tell them whether they are right or wrong. The Lord's power will help them do as they should.

You are so right, if we don’t watch it it’s going to be like Vietnam all over, when they come home, we’re going to throw rocks at them, and spit on them too?

 

[lovemysoldier]

You are so right, if we don’t watch it it’s going to be like Vietnam all over, when they come home, we’re going to throw rocks at them, and spit on them too?

Amen, I agree!

I believe in my God, my country and the pursuit of freedom for ALL of mankind. As a veteran and with a spouse currently deployed in Iraq, it is very disheartening to hear that our sacrifices are not appreciated and to sit back and watch our brave men and women be portrayed as something other than the heroes that they are. I can't say enough that freedom is not free. I believe that it is a fight worth fighting for to give our brothers and sisters in Iraq hope in their children's future. The pictures of the children in Iraq that my husband has sent me says it all. We are doing it for them and they know it and appreciate it.

 

[Wolseley]

Anyone who spits on a soldier who has faithfully performed his duty in the service of his country has no honor and is not worthy of respect or consideration. Such people deserve nothing more than to live under the type of society that would exist if that soldier was not there to protect their right to act like ignorant unprincipled morons with no integrity.

That's my opinion.

---Wolseley, Former SSgt, USAF; AAC, TAC, SAC, AFRes.

 

[Dream]

Anyone who spits on a soldier who has faithfully performed his duty in the service of his country has no honor and is not worthy of respect or consideration. Such people deserve nothing more than to live under the type of society that would exist if that soldier was not there to protect their right to act like ignorant unprincipled morons with no integrity.

Amen.

It is the soldier that gives us freedom of speech, not the politician. It is the soldeir the gives us a speedy and a just trial, not the lawyer.

God bless you for your service, Wolseley.

 

[DJ B.K.]

Just because you are against this war does not mean you hate the troops. You are not spitting on them if you think they should come home because this war feels unecessary for them. I myself am not sure about the war but if I decided for sure that I was against it, that would not mean I hate America or the troops.

 

[Caedmon]

You see this is the problem, when people are willing to die for land they think their God gave them, we can’t win.

Indeed.

 

[plainswolf]

Amen.

It is the soldier that gives us freedom of speech, not the politician. It is the soldeir the gives us a speedy and a just trial, not the lawyer.

God bless you for your service, Wolseley.

WELL PUT! I have had friends that I work with that were over there and have thankfully returned. And the one thing they lament is that almost none of the incredible good things that are taking place in the day to day life of the Iraqi's are being reported..

J.M.J.
plainswolf

 

[Rising_Suns]

Not taking a side here, but I'm surprised no one's brought up Pope JPII's comments yet. That usually pops up in such discussions (unless it has been thoroughly beaten to death without my awareness).

 

[Dream]

Not taking a side here, but I'm surprised no one's brought up Pope JPII's comments yet. That usually pops up in such discussions (unless it has been thoroughly beaten to death without my awareness).

I don't believe it has come up yet. Neither has the Just War doctrine.

Those are the primary reasons why I am against the war.

 

[skatepixie]

As yall can see from my icon, I support the war on terror. And I consider Bush my president.


Ok...1st off..
What the 1st poster didnt mention is that the troops who did the shooting in the car helped the injured childern. The driver should have stopped...when you dont stop in a war zone, you get shot. Theres just too much risk otherwise. I mean...how were the soldiers to know that the car didnt have bombs or something. So, they shot when it didnt stop. Then, once they saw that there were kids that were hurt, they helped those kids with 1st aid. Then they took them to a doctor. THE TROOPS DID THE RIGHT THING. Period. End of story.

Second, the Iraq/Germany thing has to do with the fact that Pearl Harbor woke us up in the same way 9/11 did. FDR realized that for us to be truly free we would have to get rid of facism everywhere we found did. Just getting rid of it in Japan wouldnt be enough. We would have to be willing to take on Hitler too. With 9/11, we realized that there was a threat. We went after it...and not just in Afganistan. We knew that Saddam was a threat to his own people, and to us. WMD may not have been found, but we are installing a democracy (well, a republic if you want to split hairs) in an area of conflict. We hope that it will start a trend in the area. You know, people will realize that freedom has value.

Another reason Iraq is like Germany is that Germany was a mess after WWII. However, we pushed democracy through. It worked. This is a model of what we hope to see in Iraq.

 

[Dream]

Second, the Iraq/Germany thing has to do with the fact that Pearl Harbor woke us up in the same way 9/11 did. FDR realized that for us to be truly free we would have to get rid of facism everywhere we found did. Just getting rid of it in Japan wouldnt be enough. We would have to be willing to take on Hitler too.

Actually, we were indirectly involved in WWII before Pearl Harbor. The US had the Lend-Lease Act that gave money to Britain and other nations to defend themselves from the Axis powers. And, as somebody previously pointed out, the US had skirmishes with Germany.

 

[Benedicta00]

Anyone who spits on a soldier who has faithfully performed his duty in the service of his country has no honor and is not worthy of respect or consideration. Such people deserve nothing more than to live under the type of society that would exist if that soldier was not there to protect their right to act like ignorant unprincipled morons with no integrity.

That's my opinion.

---Wolseley, Former SSgt, USAF; AAC, TAC, SAC, AFRes.

I agree but they have those out there who will call these people murderers and will compare them to abortionists. I don’t get why, it’s not like a solider enlist for the sole purpose to go over to a God forsaken land, leaving their family just to go kill strangers in a strange land.

We have so many murderers here on our own soil, killing in the streets for no good reason, where is the outrage over that? But we are going to be outraged over a solider, who leaves his family, who is just doing his job, serving his country who has to defend himself? Okay, what-ever.

No one has to agree with the war but calling a soldier a murderer is over the top and flat ridiculous.

 

[skatepixie]

Actually, we were indirectly involved in WWII before Pearl Harbor. The US had the Lend-Lease Act that gave money to Britain and other nations to defend themselves from the Axis powers. And, as somebody previously pointed out, the US had skirmishes with Germany.

True, but, as you said, it was indirect. We bombed Iraq before 9/11 too.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

"I am appalled that our brave men and women in uniform are being demonized and portrayed as heartless cold-blooded killers."

Perhaps you should re-read the opening post. I clearly said it is not the fault of the soldiers. I support the troops. I work at an Air Force base for crying out loud.

And no Michelle, I don't plan on spitting on any soldiers. My father was a career Army chaplain that served in Vietnam. I have great respect for the Armed Forces. I just tend to agree with the Pope that they should be used justly, sorry for "bringing a liberal agenda" to the forum to "set it up" as Greg accused me of doing.

 

[lovemysoldier]

Comminication is more than the intent of the speaker, it is all about how it is perceived. If your intent was foreign to everyone but yourself, maybe you should work on delivery and not blast people for how they took something that you said. While you initially said that the soldiers were not to blame, the entire subject and the responding posts were not supportive of that statement. I still take offensive to your thread and your last post only rubbed salt in the wound.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

"I still take offensive to your thread and your last post only rubbed salt in the wound."

You take offense with my observation that an unjust war will produce more terrorists?

Ok.

 

[Sil's Brother]

Anyone who spits on a soldier who has faithfully performed his duty in the service of his country has no honor and is not worthy of respect or consideration. Such people deserve nothing more than to live under the type of society that would exist if that soldier was not there to protect their right to act like ignorant unprincipled morons with no integrity.

That's my opinion.

---Wolseley, Former SSgt, USAF; AAC, TAC, SAC, AFRes.

But those servicemen have been sacrificed at the Bush, evangelical/zionist, alter.

He doesn't care about a couple of thousand americans dying in Iraq in his crusade to impose his will on the Noble Islamic world.

I long for the day the Shias take control of Iraq, form an alliance with Iran and provide a much needed counter balance against the Zionist oppressors in occupied Palestine...

 

[lovemysoldier]

"I still take offensive to your thread and your last post only rubbed salt in the wound."

You take offense with my observation that an unjust war will produce more terrorists?

Ok.

I take offense to any "observations" that claim that our troops aren't embraced and appreciated by the people that they are fighting and dieing to protect and save. Darkness isn't bred from the light. I believe in the pursuit fo freedom for ALL of mankind and think that the fight to help our brothers and sisters in Iraq is worth the battle. I shun anything that suggestions that helping people is not good. I shun anything that suggests that it is ok to let people suffer and live in terror. I believe in our soldiers and our mission and think that helping people is a just cause.