War On Terror

[Alexis OCA]

100,000 civilians killed under US (mainly airstrikes, lots of women and children)

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/28/iraq_deaths041028.html

Reality check? Yes, I see the reality of making more people hate us will breed more terrorists.

From the article:

The authors acknowledge that the data cited in the study might be of "limited precision."

Thanks for sharing your political agenda with us though.

 

[Alexis OCA]

But why are we even there in the first place? To bring democracy to the people? Is this what we had in mind?

Yes, of course THAT is what we had in mind. That's what you really want to hear isn't it?

 

[Wolseley]

Well, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the media seizes on an incident such as this and blows it up into a multi-page photo spread. Even the captions on the photos ooze a self-righteous, accusatory, anti-American tone.

Why don't we ever see a multi-page photo spread on all of the good things that US troops are doing in Iraq, such as building hospitals and orphanages, restoring infrastructure, freeing SoDamn Insane's political prisoners, and such?

I'll tell you why: because that sort of stuff (which FAR outnumbers the bad things resulting from the war) flies in the face of the media's representation of the United States as "The Great Horrible Warmonger Satan, Worse Than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, And Genghis Khan All Rolled Into One", that's why.

If you want information of the good we're doing in Iraq, you either have to go to military sites, or talk to the troops one on one. If a trooper wants to say something about the hospital that his engineering company built that has helped dozens of wounded and sick Iraqis in a place where there was never clean water or decent medical care before, the reporters aren't even interested. Instead they go off and spend enormous amounts of time trying to dig up (or manufacture) a nice juicy scandal somewhere that will paint the US as a nation of slobbering bloodthirsty murderers, led by a war criminal, and run by a cabal of power-hungry Klingon warlords.

My suggestion is, for a more balanced viewpoint, you spend some time perusing the following websites, taking note of the hundreds of humanitarian and charitable works being performed the American military in Iraq, not to mention all of the other places around the world, such as tsunami relief.

http://www.af.mil/

http://www.army.mil/

http://www.marines.mil/

http://www.navy.mil/

Here's one example: http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=6616

Here's another: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123005744

Here's another, outlining the Navy's massive effort in helping with tsunami relief: http://www.news.navy.mil/local/mednews/

But of course, the media would have us believe that everything we do brings nothing but evil; that all of this is outweighed by the unfortunate deaths of two Iraqis who failed to stop at a checkpoint. Again: you won't find stories like the above in the news media, because the news media refuses to report them. For these kinds of stories, you have to depend on the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines to tell you what they're doing.

God bless the Armed Forces of the United States of America, who are among the finest of our nation and who positively have more integrity and honor than a good many of the people they defend.

 

[Dream]

Here is a site with some very uplifting pictures of Iraq:

http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news

and

http://www.strykernews.com/gallery/smilesfromiraq

 

[Wolseley]

Here is a site with some very uplifting pictures of Iraq:

http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news

and

http://www.strykernews.com/gallery/smilesfromiraq

Outstanding sites, DT! Thank you for those.

Those will be going out to a few of my liberal friends.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Well, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the media seizes on an incident such as this and blows it up into a multi-page photo spread. Even the captions on the photos ooze a self-righteous, accusatory, anti-American tone.

Why don't we ever see a multi-page photo spread on all of the good things that US troops are doing in Iraq, such as building hospitals and orphanages, restoring infrastructure, freeing SoDamn Insane's political prisoners, and such?

I'll tell you why: because that sort of stuff (which FAR outnumbers the bad things resulting from the war) flies in the face of the media's representation

According to the BBC (about the only news organzation with any credibility in Iraq that actually goes out into the country to find stories) the good citizens of Bagdad:

1) Can't find gasoline (in the second most oil rich country in the world)
2) don't have more that 4 hours of electricity a day.
4) Have only limited access to potable water.
5) are stilling living on UN relief food and MRE's.
6) can't find work.

And this is in an area the US actually has control over. More the a year after Bush declared an end of hositlities. I don't deny our boys are doing good work, but something bad is happening and our guys in the administration are either ignoring it or can't handle it. Either way we don't appear to be making any headway.

And the longer we're in Iraq throwing around hot lead the more we look like occupyers instead of liberators. And the longer we look like occupyer the more Islamic extremists we make.

This is just not good.

 

[Wild_Fan4Christ]

Well, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the media seizes on an incident such as this and blows it up into a multi-page photo spread. Even the captions on the photos ooze a self-righteous, accusatory, anti-American tone.

Why don't we ever see a multi-page photo spread on all of the good things that US troops are doing in Iraq, such as building hospitals and orphanages, restoring infrastructure, freeing SoDamn Insane's political prisoners, and such?

I'll tell you why: because that sort of stuff (which FAR outnumbers the bad things resulting from the war) flies in the face of the media's representation of the United States as "The Great Horrible Warmonger Satan, Worse Than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, And Genghis Khan All Rolled Into One", that's why.

If you want information of the good we're doing in Iraq, you either have to go to military sites, or talk to the troops one on one. If a trooper wants to say something about the hospital that his engineering company built that has helped dozens of wounded and sick Iraqis in a place where there was never clean water or decent medical care before, the reporters aren't even interested. Instead they go off and spend enormous amounts of time trying to dig up (or manufacture) a nice juicy scandal somewhere that will paint the US as a nation of slobbering bloodthirsty murderers, led by a war criminal, and run by a cabal of power-hungry Klingon warlords.

My suggestion is, for a more balanced viewpoint, you spend some time perusing the following websites, taking note of the hundreds of humanitarian and charitable works being performed the American military in Iraq, not to mention all of the other places around the world, such as tsunami relief.

http://www.af.mil/

http://www.army.mil/

http://www.marines.mil/

http://www.navy.mil/

Here's one example: http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=6616

Here's another: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123005744

Here's another, outlining the Navy's massive effort in helping with tsunami relief: http://www.news.navy.mil/local/mednews/

But of course, the media would have us believe that everything we do brings nothing but evil; that all of this is outweighed by the unfortunate deaths of two Iraqis who failed to stop at a checkpoint. Again: you won't find stories like the above in the news media, because the news media refuses to report them. For these kinds of stories, you have to depend on the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines to tell you what they're doing.

Hence the reason why the rest of the world hates us. The media has been for a long time painting these pictures to the world. In case you haven't noticed, that is a Liberal agenda.

God bless the Armed Forces of the United States of America, who are among the finest of our nation and who positively have more integrity and honor than a good many of the people they defend.

Amen to this Where else in the world can you be free to say what you want, paint a picture that America is the war monger of the world, and get away with it? Only in America...can anyone say Michael Moore

Remember, you can't get the whole truth of a story and make a biased complaint without getting the whole truth. Don't believe everything that the mainstream media has to tell you.

 

[ufonium2]

Iraq didn't even attack us on 9/11.

Germany never attacked us either. Guess we should have stayed out of that one too, huh?

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Germany never attacked us either. Guess we should have stayed out of that one too, huh?

Germany declared war on the US on December 9, 1941, the US didn't declare war on Germany until the next day.

If you want to make a point get your facts straight.

Germany DID attack us.

 

[ufonium2]

Germany declared war on the US on December 9, 1941, the US didn't declare war on Germany until the next day.

If you want to make a point get your facts straight.

Germany DID attack us.

Which US city did they attack? Did they come over here? No. They declared war, I never said they didn't. But the declaration of war is not an attack. Bin Laden declared war on us years before his people actually attacked us. They aren't the same thing.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Which US city did they attack? Did they come over here? No. They declared war, I never said they didn't. But the declaration of war is not an attack. Bin Laden declared war on us years before his people actually attacked us. They aren't the same thing.

1) Bin Laden isn't in charge of a country. I can declare war on Canada if I want, but it don't bring with it the import of the agreed standards of open warfare, as orginally put forth by the League of Nations and now in forced by the UN.

2) A declarcation of war by one goverment to another is, in fact, an attack on one country by another. See the afore mentions standards of open warfare. (A navel blockade is also an attack on one country by another, fyi)
Germany's declaration of war was a formal attack on our country, requiring a full retailitory response. The fact the it took several weeks for German's and Americans to trade hot lead was merely a logistical issue. War started on December 9.

3) What DO they teach you guy in history class these days ?

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

After 9/11 our thinking on terror changed. We were attacked on our own soil. 3,000 plus American's died.

We had LOTS of evidence of Saddam wanting WMD's. Russia told President Bush, that Iraq had plans in the works to attack us. What should President Bush had done?

Ignore it?

 

[ufonium2]

So you would have supported Clinton had he decided to launch attacks against Al Queda in the 90s? Or did that declaration not count because the UN doesn't have protocol for dealing with declarations of war made by international terrorist organizations?

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

After 9/11 our thinking on terror changed. We were attacked on our own soil. 3,000 plus American's died.

We had LOTS of evidence of Saddam wanting WMD's. Russia told President Bush, that Iraq had plans in the works to attack us. What should President Bush had done?

Here's something that comes to mind:

1) Send in a Black Ops crew, double tap the bad guys.

2) Install a puppet Iraqi goverment

4) Throw 20 Billion dollars in aid at the problem.

We won the Cold War doing stuff like this.


... And it would have been cheaper in dollars and lives.

 

[Dream]

Here's something that comes to mind:

1) Send in a Black Ops crew, double tap the bad guys.

2) Install a puppet Iraqi goverment

4) Throw 20 Billion dollars in aid at the problem.

We won the Cold War doing stuff like this.


... And it would have been cheaper in dollars and lives.

Hold on a second! Are you saying that Regan actually did something right?

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

So you would have supported Clinton had he decided to launch attacks against Al Queda in the 90s? Or did that declaration not count because the UN doesn't have protocol for dealing with declarations of war made by international terrorist organizations?

You really are having problems with this whole goverment-of-a-country vs. guy-who-has-a-following-thing, aren't you ?

But, as far as containing terror is concerned, sure why won't I support it ? We've been doing it since 1948.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Hold on a second! Are you saying that Regan actually did something right?

Are we talking Donald Regan or Ronnie Reagan ?

..And when did either one send in a black ops crew to our knowledge ?

 

[geocajun]

Oreilly made a point I had not considered the other day - that gangs in the USA (bloods, crypts, etc..) are terrorists, just like Bin Laden.

 

[ps139]

Germany's declaration of war was a formal attack on our country, requiring a full retailitory response. The fact the it took several weeks for German's and Americans to trade hot lead was merely a logistical issue. War started on December 9.

Actually, if you really want to get specific, we'd been having skirmishes with German cutters and u-boats in the North Atlantic for a while before Pearl Harbor. FDR tried to draw Hitler into declaring war on us. Hitler was too smart for that though, but he had no choice after Pearl Harbor.

 

[Dream]

Are we talking Donald Regan or Ronnie Reagan ?

..And when did either one send in a black ops crew to our knowledge ?

You know who I'm talking about. The same Regan that made it ok to hate the poor.

You said that we won the Cold War doing stuff like that and implied it would be a better alternative to our current approach. Isn't this implying that Reagan took the right path?