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We all sin so the highlighted part of your post always causes a problem for me.Correct. Jesus did it all.
All we need to do is to believe in Him, open our hearts door (Revelation 3:20), and remain faithful all the days of our life. Never allow sin to enter in, or like the rich young ruler never place more importance on the things of earth than the things of God. I know I sound like a Jeremiah, but his message was similar for if...
2 Peter 2:20-22
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
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People who refuse to trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation do seem to believe that works help save them. Here is a statement below from someone I was previously in a conversation with:Only way to get saved. Works won`t help you.
People who refuse to trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation do seem to believe that works help save them. Here is a statement below from someone I was previously in a conversation with:
"It is works of obedience that help to save us and not works of the law or works of merit."
I typically ask such people (but don't receive an answer) - "how many works must you accomplish and "add as a supplement" to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Christ save you?"
Who did Jesus die for Rick?Everybody knows you can`t just say works save, but people who take out election salvation usually don`t recognize how their belief system put works into the salvation requirements.
I typically ask such people (but don't receive an answer) - "how many works must you accomplish and "add as a supplement" to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Christ save you?"
So you have no answer to how many works we must accomplish in order to help Christ save us because Christ does not need our help. His finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28) All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful. Simple.I'll be happy to answer your question. As many as you like, Christ gives no particular number in the bible because he leaves it up to our free will how many works we want to do. Simple.
That question is a very tired old attemp to stump, and I would suggest those who teach you such things, come up with some new material if they are even going to have a chance at leading people astray.
So you have no answer to how many works we must accomplish in order to help Christ save us because Christ does not need our help. His finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28) All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful. Simple.
So you have no answer to how many works we must accomplish in order to help Christ save us because Christ does not need our help. His finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28) All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful. Simple.
I’m listening and we are saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) so no amount of works could help Jesus save us. Plain and simple.You arent listening, Dan, as many works as we like, that is how many. Did you not hear me whe I said the bible lists no specific number of works? As far as im concerned we can never do enough works, or good.
True faith is not without works. We are saved through faith apart from the merit of works yet true faith does not remain apart from the presence of works.I added a question for you at the end of post 1005 if you care to answer.
Exactly. Whosoever will come believing.I think their name is Whosoeverwill.
my faith in God depends not on anything I have done, otherwise my faith would be in me and what I have done, and that's not a good idea.I'll be happy to answer your question. As many as you like, Christ gives no particular number in the bible because he leaves it up to our free will how many works we want to do. Simple.
That question is a very tired old attemp to stump, and I would suggest those who teach you such things come up with some new material if they are even going to have a chance at leading people astray.
My turn, can you have true faith without works?
People who refuse to trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation do seem to believe that works help save them. Here is a statement below from someone I was previously in a conversation with:
"It is works of obedience that help to save us and not works of the law or works of merit."
I typically ask such people (but don't receive an answer) - "how many works must you accomplish and "add as a supplement" to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Christ save you?"
I’m listening and we are saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) so amount of works could help Jesus save us. Plain and simple.
True faith is not without works. We are saved through faith apart from the merit of works yet true faith does not remain apart from the presence of works.
We all sin so the highlighted part of your post always causes a problem for me.
You still have nothing from the Eternal Life passages where anyone of them lose their Eternal Life.First, eternal life is through Jesus Christ.
“For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 6:23).
Second, believing in Jesus is more than just believing in the person of Jesus Christ for salvation but it is believing in everything He told us to do. If you were to keep reading, John 3:19-21 says,
19 “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” (John 3:19-21).
Notice verse 20. It says everyone who does evil hates the light. The light is Jesus Christ. This means eternal life is only for those who does not do evil or sin because obviously a person cannot hate Jesus and still be saved.
Again, the condemnation is given to us John 3:19-21. We just talked about that. Plus, in Romans 8:1 it says there is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Meaning, if we walk after flesh or sin, we are under the condemnation. Romans 8:1 is a verse that is a part of the faith in believing in our Lord. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
If you were to read Romans 8:35-39: You will notice that two things are not on the list of things mentioned that cannot separate you from the love of Christ.
#1. You, (and):
#2. Your sin.
You will notice that all the things on the list mentioned in Romans 8:35-39 that cannot separate you from Christ are external things.
Let's read the whole verse.
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John 3:36).Notice the bold lettering here. He that believes not the Son shall not see life. Not sure if you caught this. In other words, this is saying that he that believes not what the Son says shall not see life. For a person who does not believe the words of Jesus they are not going to see life. What words of Jesus can they possibly not believe? Oh, take your pick. Many in popular Christianity have told me that the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, etc. should not be taken literally, or they no longer apply anymore. But surely they are saying this only because they do not like what He said.
The words “he who hears my word” is in reference to obedience. See the Expanded translation (ESB). In addition, the context tell us this:
“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).
Notice that it says that there is a resurrection of life for those who do good, and there is a resurrection of damnation to those who have done evil. Nothing here about how a believer can do evil or sin and still be saved by having a belief alone on Jesus because they have eternal life that cannot be undone. Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 6:16) (John 14:6).
Again, believing in Jesus is more than just believing in the person of Jesus. Not only do we have to receive Jesus, but we have to receive His words, too. John 12:48 says that if we do not receive his words, those words can judge us on the last day.
What is eating his flesh mean? If you were to skip back to John chapter 4, Jesus says this.
“My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.” (John 4:34).
So if we are not doing the work of the Father (i.e. the will of the Father), we are not going to enter the kingdom of Heaven.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21).
Notice the context, though. Verse 27 says that the kind of sheep that will have eternal life and not perish are the sheep that hear His voice and they follow Jesus. A believer who justifies sin and thinks they are saved by having a belief alone on Jesus is not following or obeying Jesus.
Not sure how this verse helps you unless you believe Sanctification plays a part in eternal life like I do. For Matthew 25:31-46 is telling us that helping the poor is a part of entering into eternal life.
Yes, this is pretty basic. A believer should know about how salvation can be either in the past tense, present tense, and future tense. However, your confusion is that you think there are no conditions. But the Bible says,
“Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,...” (1 Timothy 6:12).
I am told to fight the good fight of faith and lay hold on eternal life.
“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.” (Galatians 6:8).
We also learn that we need to sow to the Spirit in order to reap life everlasting. If one does not sow to the Spirit, they are not going to reap life everlasting.
This is the second time you quoted Scripture without leaving out the most important part that exposes your wrong belief. Let's read the whole verse and include one more.
14 “We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” (1 John 3:14).
Notice verse 14. It says that the reason why they passed from death unto life is because they love the brethren. That's the condition. Before you said there were no conditions. But this is not what the Bible teaches here. In addition, verse 15 says that whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. So again. This is another condition. If a Christian hates his brother, they do not have eternal life abiding in him. It's a condition.
And you have to keep reading.
18 “We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” (1 John 5:18-20).
First, we are told that whoever is born of God does not sin (i.e. set out to sin or with the mind set to sin as if it was inevitable), but they keep themselves and that wicked one (the devil) touches them not. For the whole world lies in wickedness.
Two, Jesus is said to be eternal life. So eternal life is not yours, but it is a person named Jesus Christ. You have to abide in Christ in order to have life. 1 John 5:12 says he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life.
Exactly. Whosoever will come believing.
I wonder who the elect of God are? Is it all believers, after all they chose Christ, or is it those who God has elected for a special work. What do you think?
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my faith in God depends not on anything I have done.
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my faith in God depends not on anything I have done, otherwise my faith would be in me and what I have done, and that's not a good idea.
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