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want to talk about OSAS?

Are you an OSAS believer?

  • yes

    Votes: 27 43.5%
  • no

    Votes: 32 51.6%
  • of course

    Votes: 3 4.8%

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Hammster

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That's good to know. I would have to report you to the police otherwise.
Too bad you didn’t want to have a discussion.
 
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You put out a lot of scriptures. I feel like I`m throwing a rock at Goliath here but the Bible says this:

"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."

By implication, by logic the blessed man sins, otherwise there would be nothing for the Lord to "not impute." The blessed man is guilty but the judge won`t accept his indictment, the judge will not accept the charges in spite of the blessed mans guilt.

Why is that?

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

If righteousness is a gift then I shouldn`t have to do anything to recieve it.
 
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B H, I am always impressed and overjoyed by what you come up with! God has given you a very theologically astute and discerning heart. God bless you, friend.
 
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I've decided Pauls race isn't a picture of salvation, but of rewards at the Bema. If he used it to picture salvation, it would contradict Romans 4:4 where anything earned is counted as debt, not grace

Paul used the term "castaway". Seems a little heavier then lost rewards.
 
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So you are a catholic with your mortal sin doctrine.

Now that the Pope is promoting homosexual partnerships I wonder how long it will be before the Catholic Church clarifies the 'mortal sin' doctrine.
 
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Now that the Pope is promoting homosexual partnerships I wonder how long it will be before the Catholic Church clarifies the 'mortal sin' doctrine.
I haven't been following that news but it doesn't surprise me in our day and age. He declared he would "shake" things up and by golly he just did.
 
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I haven't been following that news but it doesn't surprise me in our day and age. He declared he would "shake" things up and by golly he just did.

Yes. Seems to me that the brothers and sisters who support 'OSAS' are falling back on the Holy Scriptures for support. Others who are against it are relying on tradition or traditional interpretations for support. So it's the solid word of God against the shifting sands of tradition, which we have seen with the current Pope, tradition can go 180 degrees in a short space of time. God Bless
 
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No idea what all that is for. I asked you early on if you did not intend to answer the very simple question to just say so, so i don't waste the time trying to get an answer out of you.

Wish you'd a just had the decency to do that.
You already forgot that you were the one who quoted Luke 8 not me ?

and my response to your eisegesis was this:

@Kenny'sID

The devil believes so what ?

James 2
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

The above in James is the same as the parable of the sower, its why Jesus cursed the unfruitful Fig Tree. Faith without words is a dead faith just like an unfruitful tree its as good as dead. A living faith produces Good works as per Ephesians 2:10.

Ephesians 2:8-10.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Luke 8
“This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14 The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.

hope this helps !!!
 
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I just showed you where the bible says the could lose salvation, but you refused to see it.

But that was expected.
still making things up I see. the passage doesn't say he was saved.
 
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You cannot become a person of no faith, if you have never had faith.
For the OSAS people to say "they never believed" is a nonsense. It is like this, you cannot lose your driving license I you never had one.
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What osas person said they never believed? That makes no sense.
 
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Paul used the term "castaway". Seems a little heavier then lost rewards.

Which means rejected, not withstanding the test - same thing you see with the testing of works in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15. There's loss of reward, but not of salvation -

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
 
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I believe mortal sin condemns a person.
I agree with you that mortal sin severs a person from the body of Christ and they no longer remain in a state of grace.
I think it's also worth adding that the distinction between venial and mortal can sometimes get blurred. There are some factors which lessen the culpability of someone's sin, making what would ordinarily consititute a mortal sin a venial one. For example, someone suffering from a battle with addiction who is trying to reform their life may have a strong faith in God, but may suffer numerous relapses. Because their intention and motivation is pure, and their hearts are still focussed on Christ, I believe that they do not fall from grace.
 
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Sorta, since it takes two (at least) to have a discussion.
OK pal look. If I ask someone for a verse from Sacred Scripture, I expect him to give me a verse, or indicate that he does not have one. If I ask someone a question, I expect an answer to the question, not a cut and paste from Sacred Scripture, a website, or a book, or some other source. That is what I consider a "discussion". To me a "discussion" ain't somebody responding to my question with a quotation from Sacred Scripture, a website, or a book. To you that is apparently a valid form of "discussion," which is fine, but it ain't to me, and I have no interest in it. But it's all good. We just have different views on how "discussions" should go. Peace.
 
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I am glad you believe that. So did Jimmy Swaggart and the pedophile priests mentioned in this thread, before they fell.
Weren't you leaving?
 
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There’s actually a Saint who was an opium addict for much of his life.

Saint Marcus Ji Tianxiang
 
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