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Walking away from God
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There is no sin that God will not forgive you of if you repent. HE is FAIR and Just to forgive our sins if we ask Him. It's not your justice, it is His. He said "I will NEVER leave you or forsake you". God will never walk away from you. We've all made very bad decisions. All of us. God is perfect, He cannot not do what He says in His Word.
Our problems are created by us and our sin. There are hardships that result from sin, reprecussions, not from God, but from sin itself. We live in an interconnected world with our sin. Many times it brings sorrow for quite a while. But don't worry there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
God only gives us good things and His love. God does not give us reprecussions usually to sin. There ARE reprecussions naturally.
Do you read God's Word? It tells us about God and His promises. Unbreakable promises. God does not lie. God cannot lie, it is not in His nature.
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It's a lie. God can even use your failures as a Christian for good. For example, it helps you be humble and gives you compassion for people who struggle in the same ways. Your life can be a testimony of why it is important to obey Him (for people who haven't sinned in this way) but how God's grace is sufficient to restore them if they repent. If you genuinely ask for forgiveness, He forgives. That doesn't mean you won't face consequences but the consequences don't have mean eternal condemnation.God is not pleased with me anymore because He gave me the best life I ever had, and I made a mistake and threw it away. I believe He has only forgiven me enough to keep me out of hell, but not enough to want to give me a second chance at living the life He wants for me. I also believe that He is not as pleased with me as some of my other believing friends because I don't do as many works for Him as they do. I want to make it up to God but know I can't and believe that He is asking me to pay for what I did by living the consequences, which is having a life that is less blessed than what it could have been. He has not fully forgiven me and won't.
Don't despair at God's discipline. He disciplines us as His sons and daughters because He loves us. It doesn't feel good at the time, but it's good in the long run. If God never disciplines you, you aren't His. Please see Hebrews 12:3-17.
There was a time in my life where I believed that God wouldn't do much with me in His kingdom because of a repetitive sin I chose for awhile. But when I finally completely repented, He forgave me and took away my guilt. He is using me and will continue to do so for good in His kingdom. My past does not predict my future. God is gracious. All glory to Him.
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God is faithful, He will never leave you or forsake you, read 1st Thessa. 5:24. The enemies of God are after you mind, fight back with the Word of God Eph. 6:10:18, Luke 10:19, 2Cor. 10:4-5, Mk. 6:7, James 4:7, Mk. 16:17-18 in Jesus' Name. I just prayed for you sister in Christ "fight back"! Read and say these scriptures out loud.
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How does someone ask God to rescue them from the life they deliberately created for themselves?
Was it a test? To see if you could create something so bad just to see if God would rescue you from it?
God is right there. If you worked to get yourself into it you can work to get out. And God has your back. But you can't just sit and think God is going to lift you up and out. You have to make a concentrated effort to decide you want better for yourself and put your work in. God will open the doors. But you have to take the walk toward them.
Have faith. Forgive yourself. God already did.
Was it a test? To see if you could create something so bad just to see if God would rescue you from it?
God is right there. If you worked to get yourself into it you can work to get out. And God has your back. But you can't just sit and think God is going to lift you up and out. You have to make a concentrated effort to decide you want better for yourself and put your work in. God will open the doors. But you have to take the walk toward them.
Have faith. Forgive yourself. God already did.
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No, it was not a test. I did something that I thought God wanted me to do but was wrong and He's confirmed that to me.
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Even if you did something wrong, Rom. 8:28 still applies. If you thought God wanted you to do it, He knew you would do this ahead of time. It was an act of obedience, and He will work it out all the more for your benefit.No, it was not a test. I did something that I thought God wanted me to do but was wrong and He's confirmed that to me.
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Have you talked to anyone about that you did? Do you mind sharing it with us? I bet you would be suprised at how many people have been through the same things you are going through right now. The enemy wants to make you think you are alone. By sharing it you will find that you are not alone.No, it was not a test. I did something that I thought God wanted me to do but was wrong and He's confirmed that to me.
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Godislove, I can relate quite a bit. I have failed God over and over again. I have things in my past that haunt me and won't let me forget what I have done. I despair sometimes of ever feeling the blessing from God that I once did.
But if you believe the gospel, you know that you have been forgiven. Your problem is not with God, it is with yourself and the demons that are trying to drive you from His love. You must choose to forgive yourself, it is an act of your will just like forgiving someone else. I was listening to a pastor teach on this just today, and it spoke to me, and God gave it to me so I could share it with you.
He said we must face this crisis of forgiveness, and make the choice to forgive yourself. Then, when the enemy comes at you again with condemnation, you once again go through the crisis point of forgiving yourself by choosing to do so, and turn to the Father and ask His forgiveness again (if you feel you have to, but He only requires us to ask Him once and He forgives and cleanses us from all unrighteousness). Ask God to rebuke the demons that accuse you, and ask Him to silence them. Repeat this process as often as you need to, for as long as you need to, and over time God will work in your heart so that you forgive yourself, and the enemy will have nothing to hit you with.
Forgiving ourselves can be even harder than forgiving another for sins done to us, because we feel the shame and guilt of our actions, not just the pain of being hurt... this is what Christ did for us, He paid the price for our sins so that we could be forgiven and be free from the shame and the guilt of our sin... but we must believe that He has done this, and choose to forgive ourselves once He has forgiven us (and He has if you have confessed your sin to Him). I still struggle with this, but it is the simple truth.
Hope this helps;
Mike
But if you believe the gospel, you know that you have been forgiven. Your problem is not with God, it is with yourself and the demons that are trying to drive you from His love. You must choose to forgive yourself, it is an act of your will just like forgiving someone else. I was listening to a pastor teach on this just today, and it spoke to me, and God gave it to me so I could share it with you.
He said we must face this crisis of forgiveness, and make the choice to forgive yourself. Then, when the enemy comes at you again with condemnation, you once again go through the crisis point of forgiving yourself by choosing to do so, and turn to the Father and ask His forgiveness again (if you feel you have to, but He only requires us to ask Him once and He forgives and cleanses us from all unrighteousness). Ask God to rebuke the demons that accuse you, and ask Him to silence them. Repeat this process as often as you need to, for as long as you need to, and over time God will work in your heart so that you forgive yourself, and the enemy will have nothing to hit you with.
Forgiving ourselves can be even harder than forgiving another for sins done to us, because we feel the shame and guilt of our actions, not just the pain of being hurt... this is what Christ did for us, He paid the price for our sins so that we could be forgiven and be free from the shame and the guilt of our sin... but we must believe that He has done this, and choose to forgive ourselves once He has forgiven us (and He has if you have confessed your sin to Him). I still struggle with this, but it is the simple truth.
Hope this helps;
Mike
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I have a lot of emotional problems too. I have hereditary bipolar disorder from my father's side. It kicked in when I was 23. Any random emotion can trigger my symptoms. I find that the only thing that keeps my emotions in check is full faith and reliance on the blood of Christ. Even when I have no idea what is happening. When I'm under spiritual attack and I can't even find the right verses in the bible, it's reliance on Christ's blood that gives me joy. Joy is a happiness that comes from peace of mind. It comes from a sense of well being. There is no greater peace of mind than to know that Jesus paid it all and nothing I do can affect that. Everything you did and will do, he already knew about when he walked up to that cross. He knew every choice you'd make and he still went and suffered simply because he wants an everlasting relationship. Believe me, the emotions can be a nightmare. As it says in ecclesiasties we can laugh and feel sorrow at the same time. Joy and sadness can exist together. But while we may be depressed, we can have joy by trusting and relying on His saving grace. Do you feel that sense of well being? Do you feel that salvation? If you don't, then I suggest praying to acknowledge that you are sinner in need of a savior. Pray to accept Jesus as your only savior. That his blood is the only atoning sacrifice and all that is necessary. To trust and believe that is to be saved. That's all you need.
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Then God has forgiven you. That's as complicated as it gets.Godislove94 said:
I'd be willing to bet you don't feel forgiven because you are still feeling rotten about something. That is a consequence, not a sign of God's displeasure.
That you don't 'feel' forgiven is not proof of what is really going on. Many times I've 'felt' unloved, yet people did love me and certainly God has always loved me.
Sounds like you're going through a rough patch. Feel free to start a conversation and talk to me about it. Or see someone local you trust. But you need a serious friend for a bit. And trust God. He really does know what's going on and what will come.
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I just don't understand why God seems to be hiding from me even though I just want my life and relationship with Him to be the way it was before I made the mistakes I did. Literally EVERYTHING was perfect in my mind and back then I felt more complete than I ever have in my entire life. God had literally just performed miracle after miracle and made things the best season of my life after allowing me to go through some really, really hard stuff (I'd be happy to fill you in on that if you'd like context)...then things happened and before I knew it everything was gone. It's not like He hasn't spoken to me because He has asked me to do things for Him lately, but when I pray about things that are bothering me like this, it seems like He turns a blind eye and doesn't care about those things. I'm starting to wonder if this is how I'm going to have to live out the rest of my life with Him because even though I pray and try to do things right, nothing is changing and I'm more frustrated and discouraged than ever.
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I am familiar with the 'feeling'. At this stage in my life I am sure it just a 'feeling' and not an action of God. More than likely I was rejecting God's love - not His existence - due to my feeling of guilt. Could that be happening with you?Godislove94 said:
I'd be willing to talk privately if you wish. But I think it would be more useful for you to outline the "...then things happened and before ..." part.Godislove94 said:
So God does in fact communicate with you and is not ignoring you? It's just you aren't happy with His responses to your requests; do I have it right?Godislove94 said:
My initial thought is God wants to get your attention. I suggest you do what He wants and see how that affects the rest of your life and problems.
Paul had a problem which God would not - seemingly - cure. Paul never specifies what it was. Paul mentions it in passing as a "...thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet (harass) me ..." for the express purpose of preventing Paul from becoming arrogant.Godislove94 said:
Also remember the story of Job. Job was an upright man and suffered greatly; seemingly for no good reason. Yet God cared about Job and loved him greatly. But it took a while to shake out. David the King had to hide from King Saul for a number of years, living in very temporary quarters and caves.
You are not the first to have this sort of problem.
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Hi sister,
I think you need to tell us what the thing you did is so we can give you the right advice and know where you're coming from.
I know how you feel, because I've felt this way before. That God had turned His back on me, yet still expected me to perform just as I did before. It was crushing to feel abandoned yet still have the weight of everything I was supposed to do for the Lord. Here is the truth: God doesn't love you any less on your worst day than on your best. The reason you can know this is because while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. When you were an unconverted sinner, incapable of pleasing God, the sacrifice of Gods Son on the cross was made available to you.
Now you have a covenant with God, through the blood of Christ, and God promised to cast our sins as far as the east is from the west. If God held a grudge against you for your sins, that scripture wouldn't be true, would it? Maybe you're being disciplined right now; God disciplines those He loves, not hates:
Hebrews 12:10-11
Our fathers disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
Even if you are, God promised that there will be a harvest of righteousness and peace in your life. So you will be at peace again if you persevere.
You can forgive yourself because God has already forgiven you. It is Satan who keeps bringing it up to you, not God:
Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.
You're in spiritual warfare right now and the last thing you need to do is quit, because then you will become deceived. If you walk away from God all you are doing is walking into Satans web, and your situation will grow worse and worse until you come running back to God. Better to save yourself that hardship and submit yourself to God now. If you do the scripture promises that the devil will flee from you
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Thank you for these encouraging words. I am doing better now than I was when I posted this, but there are days when it still comes back to haunt me.
I don't know if what I did was blatant sin, but this is what happened. The first two years of my walk with God, I was in two churches that were spiritually abusive: legalism, false and even demonic theology, incompetent pastors who I now believe are deceived and not even saved at all...my time there was basically an open door for Satan to do whatever he wanted to me and he did. I left the second of the two in April of 2015 and started going to the one that I am a member at now and know that God rescued me. I was baptized that August after a very long period of time where I wasn't sure if I wanted to stay a Christian because of how God was originally presented to me and for the longest time I was angry and hated Him when I wasn't terrified of Him. My counselor agrees with my belief that I had PTSD coming out of there and was definitely traumatized. On the day of my baptism God showed up in a big way and that day everything the Bible said about God's love and His grace made sense to me and my eyes were opened.
During my time in the bad churches, I was taking time off from school to work and somewhere before I left, I stumbled across Romans 13:8 which convinced me even after baptism that taking out student loans was sinful. Even after God did what He did, there was still a part of me that wasn't totally convinced that I didn't have to do something to pay God back for what He had given me and I believed that the desire I had to leave the job I was working was actually either my sinful heart or Satan trying to get me to compromise. I stayed there through the fall semester even though it killed me to do so. By late September I burned out trying to balance working 8 hour shifts and a full course load and pulled away because not only was I so exhausted and saving every ounce of leftover energy for getting my homework done, but I was angry at God again because I thought He was forcing me to do this and I was terrified that if I left that job and sinned by borrowing money, God would get angry, take back His blessings and punish me by bringing more bad things into my life. When I finally had enough and quit, it was near the end of the semester and too late to salvage my grades. I ended up failing two classes and missing out on so many chances to grow in my faith because the nights that I should have been and wanted to go to church, I was working. God showed me the day I put my two weeks in at that job that I was worshipping money and that what I thought was Him telling me to stay there was actually my own self still struggling with legalism. God literally started to make my life the best it had ever been for the time being and for the first time ever (I was abused by my earthly father as a child and faced a lifetime of pain, anger, depression and disappointment in addition to that) life was everything I had always wanted it to be. God began blessing me in so many ways and I threw His gifts in the trash. I still struggle with the fear that good things that come into my life aren't really from God and instead of giving me joy, they make me sad and paranoid.
I know that we are not promised an easy life and accept that, but I still feel some days that I missed the one chance I did have to live the life God wanted for me in it's fullness and worry that even though He has forgiven me for my mistake, that He will never allow life to be that way for me again. I'm also angry at myself for missing and not allowing myself to accept what was being offered to me and see now that what happened back there was a test of faith to see if God really would come through for me and I failed Him. All I wanted to do was please and honor Him as best as I could because after what He rescued me from, I finally understood how amazing it is to love the Lord and I do very much. I know I'm not worthy of any of this and if loving Him and making up for what I did means walking away and cutting myself off from His goodness or being cut off for as long as I live, then that's just the way it has to be.
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