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Voting by Mail?

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nope not method is perfect, but it is not hard to require an ID and a secure sealed ballot.
Who says it's not hard? I mean, YOU say it's not hard but you don't provide facts, you only provide your opinion which is rooted in conservative bias.

And why require ID and secure sealed ballot? Are you saying those are perfectly secure???
 
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1. You cannot "call down to the office" to get one.
2. What's simple about walking in to the "office"?

Are you just making things up and hoping I won't notice?
no
 
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Who says it's not hard? I mean, YOU say it's not hard but you don't provide facts, you only provide your opinion which is rooted in conservative bias.

And why require ID and secure sealed ballot? Are you saying those are perfectly secure???
Nothing is perfectly secure, but it is important that everyone only vote ONE time and with an ID that makes that more likely. For the record there are MANY other things not NEARLY as important as voting that require an ID.
 
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What is wrong with that?

If the request can be made by phone, online, by mail or online. What is the issue with that?
There does not appear to be any reason for those measures. You do not seem to understand that it is the person that tries to limit something that has the burden of proof. You might as well claim that poll workers had to hop on their right leg sometime during the processing of a ballot.
 
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1. You cannot "call down to the office" to get one.
2. You cannot "walk in and request one" to get one.

You have to fill out and submit an application and wait for it after that.

Are you just making things up and hoping I won't notice?
Even with an application how do you suppose people get an application would they not need to REQUEST one?
 
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Nothing is perfectly secure, but it is important that everyone only vote ONE time and with an ID that makes that more likely. For the record there are MANY other things not NEARLY as important as voting that require an ID.
It is also extremely important that we make it easier for valid voters to vote. The fact that false votes are negligible means that there is no need for excessive regulation.
 
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It is also extremely important that we make it easier for valid voters to vote. The fact that false votes are negligible means that there is no need for excessive regulation.
How hard is it to provide an ID? I do not care who you are if you can provide an ID that says you are who you say you are and are qualified to vote at least 18, not in prison a citizen then by all means vote.
 
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Yes. Either by mail, in person or via an online form. You get your ballot, as well as a certificate of voting (don't ask me how its really translated). You either have to put the certificate of voting into the same envelope as your ballot (of course that one is in a smaller envelope to protect the secret vote) or can take it to any polling station. If you lose that certificate, you can't vote at all and it can't be replaced.
Interesting. In the US where we do have states with vote by mail, it does not appear that such excessive safety is unnecessary.
 
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@Nithavela completely off topic

I am heading to Berlin in March. Any suggestions on places not to be missed and are you familiar with Easy Jet

Amsterdam to Berlin. By train or Easy Jet?
 
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Interesting. In the US where we do have states with vote by mail, it does not appear that such excessive safety is unnecessary.
the more secure the process the more trustworthy it is.
 
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Interesting. In the US where we do have states with vote by mail, it does not appear that such excessive safety is unnecessary.
It wasn't. But all that changed with the raft of new election policies put in place, often just by some government official's edict, prior to the 2020 election.

NOW it does appear that safety measures are a concern, and rightfully so.
 
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How hard is it to provide an ID? I do not care who you are if you can provide an ID that says you are who you say you are and are qualified to vote at least 18, not in prison a citizen then by all means vote.
It varies. And why would you need one? The evidence shows that showing an ID to register is good enough. If you are going to make ID's necessary then you would have to find a way to guarantee that the poor could get them as easily as anyone else. Voting is a right. There are no rights to limit a state's right to restrict voting.
 
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It is also extremely important that we make it easier for valid voters to vote. The fact that false votes are negligible means that there is no need for excessive regulation.
Always the added claim that false or invalid votes were negligible. They appear not to have been negligible.

If the argument being made can't stand without always having that proviso ("the fraudulent votes were negligible" or "there wasn't significant vote fraud," etc.) be attached to the claim, it says something important!
 
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It varies. And why would you need one? The evidence shows that showing an ID to register is good enough. If you are going to make ID's necessary then you would have to find a way to guarantee that the poor could get them as easily as anyone else. Voting is a right. There are no rights to limit a state's right to restrict voting.
We do have easy ways for the poor to get them. They are free, and moreover you must produce an ID to receive federal assistance that means that if you are poor enough to benefit from SNAP or TANF you would have an ID any now.
 
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Always the added claim that false or invalid votes were negligible.

If the argument being made can't stand without always having that proviso attached to the claim, it says something!
Wrong again. Study after study has confirmed it. You cannot find any valid sources that say the opposite.

The proviso was supplied because of the false claims like you just made.

In other words: Try again.
 
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No, not true. If you limit the process to the point that significant numbers cannot vote that makes it less trustworthy.
What is making it to where people cannot vote by requiring an ID? It is required for government assistance, to buy certain things, to drive, to rent a car, to rent a hotel room, to get on a plane ECT. If it is required to get government assistance then that means that even the poor about have to have one if they want that assistance.
 
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We do have easy ways for the poor to get them. They are free, and moreover you must produce an ID to receive federal assistance that means that if you are poor enough to benefit from SNAP or TANF you would have an ID any now.
That claim doesn't appear to be true in states with voting restrictions. It has been repeatedly shown that many voting "security" laws were merely written to keep the poor from voting.
 
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That claim doesn't appear to be true in states with voting restrictions. It has been repeatedly shown that many voting "security" laws were merely written to keep the poor from voting.
That claim doesn't appear to be true in states with voting restrictions. It has been repeatedly shown that many voting "security" laws were merely written to keep the poor from voting.
I do not see how as requiring an ID that can be gotten for free has nothing to do with being rich or poor.
 
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We do have easy ways for the poor to get them. They are free, and moreover you must produce an ID to receive federal assistance that means that if you are poor enough to benefit from SNAP or TANF you would have an ID any now.
and almost everything important in life requires us to identify ourselves, from renewing a license to checking out a book from the library to cashing a check. And most of them cost something, unlike the voter IDs. But for some reason, the argument we hear is that it's quite sensible to let unknown persons cast ballots in an election for president!
 
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