Voting by Mail?

[Subduction Zone]

What is making it to where people cannot vote by requiring an ID? It is required for government assistance, to buy certain things, to drive, to rent a car, to rent a hotel room, to get on a plane ECT. If it is required to get government assistance then that means that even the poor about have to have one if they want that assistance.

ECT?

Once again it has been shown to keep more poor from voting.

Here is a more than reasonable metric: If a law prevents more legal votes than it stops illegal votes then that law is unfair, biased, and probably unconstitutional.

 

[dogs4thewin]

ECT?

Once again it has been shown to keep more poor from voting.

Here is a more than reasonable metric: If a law prevents more legal votes than it stops illegal votes then that law is unfair, biased, and probably unconstitutional.

but those laws do not stop legal voters from voting UNLESS they are too lazy to get an ID.

 

[Subduction Zone]

and almost everything important in life requires us to identify ourselves, from renewing a license to checking out a book from the library to cashing a check. And most of them cost something, unlike the voter IDs. But for some reason, the argument we hear is that it's quite sensible to let unknown persons cast ballots in an election for president!

There is a big difference between all of those activities and voting. It makes your argument fail. Let's see if you can figure it out.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do not see how as requiring an ID that can be gotten for free has nothing to do with being rich or poor.

In most states, especially voter ID states they are not free.

 

[Subduction Zone]

but those laws do not stop legal voters from voting UNLESS they are too lazy to get an ID.

Sorry, but you would have to prove that claim.

 

[JustOneWay]

the more secure the process the more trustworthy it is.

It was trustworthy until is was not. That's what the republicans have done to mail-in voting. We know why.

 

[dogs4thewin]

In most states, especially voter ID states they are not free.

so let me asks you this. If it were free would you have a problem with it? I am pretty sure here in GA they are free and GA even allows you to vote with an expired state ID.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It was trustworthy until is was not. That's what the republicans have done to mail-in voting. We know why.

Except that until the whole co-vid mess mail-in voting was from my understanding rarer oh and in most states a ballot had to be requested you did not just get one.

 

[Nithavela]

@Nithavela completely off topic

I am heading to Berlin in March. Any suggestions on places not to be missed and are you familiar with Easy Jet

Amsterdam to Berlin. By train or Easy Jet?

I am not living anywhere near Berlin, so a google search would serve you just as well as my advice.

Don't know a lot about easy jet or the train connection between berlin and amsterdam, either. Easy Jet seems to be both faster and cheaper (go figure), but I think with the train you'd see a lot more of germany.

Sorry. But enjoy you travels! And check local travel rules regarding corona. Those are changing almost weekly, so there's a good chance you would need a full corona vaccination and a current test, or a full vaccination with booster for using the train or airline or both.

 

[Nithavela]

Interesting. In the US where we do have states with vote by mail, it does not appear that such excessive safety is unnecessary.

It doesn't feel excessive to me. But then again, I'm used to it. And of course it would be more convenient to just get the stuff in the mail a few weeks before the election, no questions asked.

But I don't want to have the ballots shipped out and then someone gets the bright idea to just steal the envelopes out of peoples mail box and vote for them, or something like that.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

no

Then where are you coming up with the wrong information that you're telling me???

 

[dogs4thewin]

Then where are you coming up with your information which is wrong???

I feel that IDs should be required they are not hard to get.

 

[Subduction Zone]

so let me asks you this. If it were free would you have a problem with it? I am pretty sure here in GA they are free and GA even allows you to vote with an expired state ID.

If they were free and one did not have to lose a day of work I would accept the idea. But
I do not think that the states with voter ID laws did that.

Of course this has nothing to do with vote by mail.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Nothing is perfectly secure, but it is important that everyone only vote ONE time and with an ID that makes that more likely. For the record there are MANY other things not NEARLY as important as voting that require an ID.

How does requiring ID help? Have you ever heard of "fake ID"?

 

[JustOneWay]

Except that until the whole co-vid mess mail-in voting was from my understanding rarer oh and in most states a ballot had to be requested you did not just get one.

Are you saying it is because of Covid that it is no longer trustworthy? Is that why republican states are moving forward with restrictive mail-in ballot laws, because they expect to have Covid forever?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I feel that IDs should be required they are not hard to get.

That does not appear to be the case. They may be easy for you or me. But that doesn't make them easy to get for everyone.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Even with an application how do you suppose people get an application would they not need to REQUEST one?

Oh, it's simple to request an application - but we were talking about getting a BALLOT and you said that getting a BALLOT "is a simple process you call down to the office or walk in and request one".

Why are you saying false things? Are you making these up and hoping I'll just accept it? Or are you listening to someone else? Either way, it's wrong information, I'm just wondering how it's getting into your mind to the point you pass it on as true even though it's false.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It doesn't feel excessive to me. But then again, I'm used to it. And of course it would be more convenient to just get the stuff in the mail a few weeks before the election, no questions asked.

But I don't want to have the ballots shipped out and then someone gets the bright idea to just steal the envelopes out of peoples mail box and vote for them, or something like that.

The problem with that is people expect those ballots. They would report not getting them. For such a scheme to work one's thefts need to be kept undiscovered. Perhaps that is why we do not see that here in states with mail in ballots.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If they were free and one did not have to lose a day of work I would accept the idea. But
I do not think that the states with voter ID laws did that.

Of course this has nothing to do with vote by mail.

I am fairly sure in GA they are free and as they do not take all day to get missing work should not be an issue and I KNOW for a fact that if it is a state ID ( as opposed to a driver's license they will accept even an expired ID to vote.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am fairly sure in GA they are free and as they do not take all day to get missing work should not be an issue and I KNOW for a fact that if it is a state ID ( as opposed to a driver's license they will accept even an expired ID to vote.

Citation needed.