Voting by Mail?

[rambot]

Republicans typically are more independent and, therefore, divided on public policy. Democrats, at least in the legislatures, vote in lock step and are more reluctant to criticize each other. It's not a secret that the once-famous Blue Dog Democrats are history now, for instance.

Both parties do it and both parties do it a lot and both parties have gotten SUBSTANTIALLY worse at it over the last couple decades. I think the people generally recognize that but aren't willing to bust out of their own patterns of vote out of fear....

Voting in Congress (the shading refers to flexibility and movement in voting).
The Rise of Partisanship and Super-Cooperators in the U.S. House of Representatives

 

[Nithavela]

I am not an idle person and don't have time to go chasing down a ballot just to do what is my right as an American Citizen. I realize you have a lot more time on your hands but many of us are busy, hard-working people who don't have that kind of time.

How long does it take to fill out such a form? Over here, it takes less than 5 minutes.

 

[Always in His Presence]

If people can't put in that little effort, I don't really want them to interfere in the election one way or another. Nobody is preventing them from voting except their own indifference.

Agreed -

I am not an idle person and don't have time to go chasing down a ballot just to do what is my right as an American Citizen. I realize you very well may have a lot more time on your hands but many of us are busy, hard-working people who just don't have that kind of time.

A simple Online request would take less time than you spent on this thread today.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Agreed -



A simple Online request would take less time than you spent on this thread today.

So then why not do online voting?

 

[dogs4thewin]

I do not think people should be just sent a ballot. I believe they should have to request one AT least every two cycles and that some form of ID should be required just as ID should be required for in-person voting.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I do not think people should be just sent a ballot. I believe they should have to request one AT least every two cycles and that some form of ID should be required just as ID should be required for in-person voting.

I was just sent a ballot for the 2020 election. It was very convenient. Nobody should have to request one, ever - that would be anti-democracy.

 

[Always in His Presence]

So then why not do online voting?

Different subject -

I was just sent a ballot for the 2020 election. It was very convenient. Nobody should have to request one, ever - that would be anti-democracy.

Why? How is providing a secure way of receiving and sending a mail in ballot anti-democracy? Why are you opposed to a simple act that is readily and easily accessible to everyone interested in voting?

 

[dogs4thewin]

As a disabled American, I've voted by mail for the past decade. How is it not safe?

I too am a disabled American and feel that sending ballots out to everyone by mail is not good. It is open to fraud. Now, are there safe ways of doing it sure, but not the way it was done last election.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I do not think people should be just sent a ballot. I believe they should have to request one AT least every two cycles and that some form of ID should be required just as ID should be required for in-person voting.

Agreed.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Different subject -

Not at all, but I get it that you don't want to respond to that.

Why? How is providing a secure way of receiving and sending a mail in ballot anti-democracy?

It's not.

Why are you opposed to a simple act that is readily and easily accessible to everyone interested in voting?

Who says it's simple or secure? It's neither.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I was just sent a ballot for the 2020 election. It was very convenient. Nobody should have to request one, ever - that would be anti-democracy.

Why not? It is a simple process to request a ballot. Doing it that way ensures that ballots are not sent out to people who no longer live at an address or worse yet sending a ballot to EVERYONE who lives or has lived at that address.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I too am a disabled American and feel that sending ballots out to everyone by mail is not good. It is open to fraud. Now, are there safe ways of doing it sure, but not the way it was done last election.

While it's interesting that your opinion that mailing ballots is not good, it really is not a good argument against it. You may not like it and think that it's "open to fraud" but the reality is it's safe and reliable and has been done for decades with no material problems.

What was wrong with how it was done last election? Please provide actual facts instead of your opinion.

 

[dogs4thewin]

While it's interesting that your opinion that mailing ballots is not good, it really is not a good argument against it. You may not like it and think that it's "open to fraud" but the reality is it's safe and reliable and has been done for decades with no material problems.

What was wrong with how it was done last election? Please provide actual facts instead of your opinion.

It should not be just mailed out to everyone. Note that I said that it was open to fraud that does not mean that a great amount took pace.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Why not? It is a simple process to request a ballot.

No, it's not a simple process. If I were sitting around the house all day doing nothing it might be, but I work and am busy. Your notion that "it is a simple process" is naive at best.

Doing it that way ensures that ballots are not sent out to people who no longer live at an address or worse yet sending a ballot to EVERYONE who lives or has lived at that address.

So what? Most people are helped by having the mailed ballot just sent to them.

Are you saying there's an alternative method that is PERFECT???

 

[ArmenianJohn]

It should not be just mailed out to everyone. Note that I said that it was open to fraud that does not mean that a great amount took pace.

It SHOULD be just mailed to everyone especially in times of Covid. You implied a great amount of fraud took place with mailed ballots at the "last election". Are you walking that back now?

 

[wing2000]

In Arizona, while registering to vote, one has the option to join the "Permanent Early Voting List" -- thereafter, ballots will be automatically sent to you.

With the passage of SB1485 last year, the name is changed to "Active Early Voting List."
SB 1485 removes the “Permanent” from the PEVL, taking voters off the early voting list if they do not vote by mail for two consecutive elections and fail to respond to a notice.

 

[dogs4thewin]

No, it's not a simple process. If I were sitting around the house all day doing nothing it might be, but I work and am busy. Your notion that "it is a simple process" is naive at best.


So what? Most people are helped by having the mailed ballot just sent to them.

Are you saying there's an alternative method that is PERFECT???

Actually it is a simple process you call down to the office or walk in and request one. Do it on time though or your vote will not count.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

You may need to pay closer attention. Far from finding "a few insignificant examples where it didn't work perfectly," I discussed in some detail the fact that there were many (not a few), very significant (not insignificant), instances of vote counting errors that could well have changed the outcome of the election and, also, threaten the integrity of future elections if allowed to stand uncorrected.

Just having you describe this as "the same old, same old" shows how far you missed the message, since a part of it was about how almost all of these innovations in the election processes were new since the 2018 elections.

Show us an instance (yeah even just one) of 1000 or more fraudulently cast ballots that have been confirmed, not just claimed. We are well beyond considering "could well have" as evidence for fraud. Otherwise it is same old same old.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Actually it is a simple process you call down to the office or walk in and request one. Do it on time though or your vote will not count.

1. You cannot "call down to the office" to get one.
2. You cannot "walk in and request one" to get one.

You have to fill out and submit an application and wait for it after that.

Are you just making things up and hoping I won't notice?

 

[dogs4thewin]

No, it's not a simple process. If I were sitting around the house all day doing nothing it might be, but I work and am busy. Your notion that "it is a simple process" is naive at best.


So what? Most people are helped by having the mailed ballot just sent to them.

Are you saying there's an alternative method that is PERFECT???

nope not method is perfect, but it is not hard to require an ID and a secure sealed ballot.