Voting by Mail?

[Albion]

That makes no sense in regards to the topic.

It's factual and I was agreeing with your post.

Republicans typically are more independent and, therefore, divided on public policy. Democrats, at least in the legislatures, vote in lock step and are more reluctant to criticize each other. It's not a secret that the once-famous Blue Dog Democrats are history now, for instance.

The Republicans stick together in lock step these days.

No, they don't. You just wrote a long post in which you pointed out all the prominent Republicans who have recently broken ranks with the rest of the Republicans.

And I think I heard just a few days ago that another outfit, sort of like the "NeverTrump" effort, is being readied to start a new organization or news service in order to oppose the views of the majority of their own party's leaders.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I fully support secured mail in balloting. It would be incredibly easy to do.

1. The voter requests a ballot - that can be done on line/in person/ by phone/ by mail.
2. The ballot be sent directly to the person requesting the ballot.
3. no mass mailing of ballots
4. The voter returns the ballot with a copy of his voter registration card (it is needed to vote already).

I would accept that 100%

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's factual and I was agreeing with your post.

Republicans typically are more independent and, therefore, divided on public policy. Democrats, at least in the legislatures, vote in lock step and are more reluctant to criticize each other. It's not a secret that the once-famous Blue Dog Democrats are history now, for instance.

Your reasoning is faulty in this case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I fully support secured mail in balloting. It would be incredibly easy to do.

1. The voter requests a ballot - that can be done on line/in person/ by phone/ by mail.
2. The ballot be sent directly to the person requesting the ballot.
3. no mass mailing of ballots
4. The voter returns the ballot with a copy of his voter registration card (it is needed to vote already).

I would accept that 100%

Why #1 and #3? They do not appear to have anything to do with security.

 

[Nithavela]

Why #1 and #3? They do not appear to have anything to do with security.

FYI, that is exactly how mail voting is done in germany, except you don't have to send in a copy of the voter registration card. But only because everyone in germany already has an identification card with an adress linked to it, and the ballot is sent to that adress.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Why #1 and #3? They do not appear to have anything to do with security.

I was not addressing #1 nor #3 - I was sharing what I would fully support.

What issues do you have with my 4 points?

"They are not necessary" would not be a valid response

 

[Subduction Zone]

You may need to pay closer attention. Far from finding "a few insignificant examples where it didn't work perfectly," I discussed in some detail the fact that there were many (not a few), very significant (not insignificant), instances of vote counting errors that could well have changed the outcome of the election and, also, threaten the integrity of future elections if allowed to stand uncorrected.

Just having you describe this as "the same old, same old" shows how far you missed the message, since a part of it was about how almost all of these innovations in the election processes were new since the 2018 elections.

And yet you cannot support these claims unless you go to sites written by right wing loons.

That should tell you something.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was not addressing #1 nor #3 - I was sharing what I would fully support.

What issues do you have with my 4 points?

"They are not necessary" would not be a valid response

Actually it is a valid response. My state has mail in voting. Your methodology would not work here.

 

[Deviant Writer]

I voted absentee for the first time in 2020. I loved it. No long lines, helping to avoid COVID exposure. A generous period of time to fill out the ballot and turn it in. No worries about whether or not you'll get time off work to go. No pressure to hurry up for the people behind you. Trump supporters on Facebook whining about "How come all the absentee ballots are for Biden?" because they voted in-person because Trump told them to. There are literally no negatives.

 

[Taodeching]

What do you think about voting by mail?

Hate it

 

[Subduction Zone]

FYI, that is exactly how mail voting is done in germany, except you don't have to send in a copy of the voter registration card. But only because everyone in germany already has an identification card with an adress linked to it, and the ballot is sent to that adress.

You have to request a ballot for every election? Where I live you only have to register. That has to be done in person. Once registered you do not even need to update your residence since that info is usually done by the DMV when one renews one's driver's license.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Actually it is a valid response. My state has mail in voting. Your methodology would not work here.

Why? The state already has mail in voting? Why would the methodology not work?

 

[Blade]

What do you think about voting by mail?

I have voted that way.. its not the safest thats for sure

 

[Tom 1]

As a disabled American, I've voted by mail for the past decade. How is it not safe?

You may be confusing ‘the truth’ that mail voting fraud is rampant with that whole reality business.

 

[Nithavela]

You have to request a ballot for every election?

Yes. Either by mail, in person or via an online form. You get your ballot, as well as a certificate of voting (don't ask me how its really translated). You either have to put the certificate of voting into the same envelope as your ballot (of course that one is in a smaller envelope to protect the secret vote) or can take it to any polling station. If you lose that certificate, you can't vote at all and it can't be replaced.

 

[Always in His Presence]

You have to request a ballot for every election?

What is wrong with that?

If the request can be made by phone, online, by mail or online. What is the issue with that?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

You may need to pay closer attention. Far from finding "a few insignificant examples where it didn't work perfectly," I discussed in some detail the fact that there were many (not a few), very significant (not insignificant), instances of vote counting errors that could well have changed the outcome of the election and, also, threaten the integrity of future elections if allowed to stand uncorrected.

I don't see where you provided any evidence for any of what you discussed. It's fine that you want to share your own speculation and guess-work, but I'm not going to believe it, especially when @Tiberius Lee posted the hard numbers and showed that voter fraud is such a tiny fraction of a percent that it's not an actual problem in any way.

Just having you describe this as "the same old, same old" shows how far you missed the message, since a part of it was about how almost all of these innovations in the election processes were new since the 2018 elections.

I'm not doubting you make a lot of claims, I'm just pointing out that your claims are dubious and not backed by evidence. So yeah, same old, same old.

 

[Albion]

Trump supporters on Facebook whining about "How come all the absentee ballots are for Biden?" because they voted in-person because Trump told them to. There are literally no negatives.

Yes, I know what Trump said there, but you can't be so casual as to be contending that if a lot of questionable ballots show a great plurality for Biden and it's otherwise a closely divided election, that this doesn't at least raise some doubts that deserve to be looked at.

 

[Nithavela]

What is wrong with that?

If the request can be made by phone, online, by mail or online. What is the issue with that?

If people can't put in that little effort, I don't really want them to interfere in the election one way or another. Nobody is preventing them from voting except their own indifference.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

What is wrong with that?

If the request can be made by phone, online, by mail or online. What is the issue with that?

I am not an idle person and don't have time to go chasing down a ballot just to do what is my right as an American Citizen. I realize you very well may have a lot more time on your hands but many of us are busy, hard-working people who just don't have that kind of time.