Visiting a statue is visiting?

[IamAdopted]

Jesus can't be human 100% with out a human nature.

A person can't be human with out a human nature.

This includes Jesus.

How are you defining human nature?


Peace

Did Jesus have the sin nature?

 

[IamAdopted]

"God in the flesh" in what sense?

He is God Incarnate, which is what the Creed says, which means something more than just "God in the flesh."

I told you what I believe.

 

[PaladinValer]

No, you did not. You danced around the issue.

Explain please what you mean by "God in the flesh?"

 

[IamAdopted]

No, you did not. You danced around the issue.

Explain please what you mean by "God in the flesh?"

Why don't you explain it to me in what you believe.

 

[simonthezealot]

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/2natures.htm

A good explanation!

 

[IamAdopted]

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/2natures.htm

A good explanation!

Amen.

 

[lionroar0]

Did Jesus have the sin nature?

No

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[lionroar0]

A good explanation!

umm nope. Where does his human nature come from? Does not answer Polycarps question either. An explanation that does not mention Mary in explaining HIs human nature is not a good explantion.

Peace

 

[lionroar0]

Excerpt



We confess, therefore, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, perfect God, and perfect Man of a reasonable soul and flesh consisting; begotten before the ages of the Father according to his Divinity, and in the last days, for us and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin according to his humanity, of the same substance with his Father according to his Divinity, and of the same substance with us according to his humanity; for there became a union of two natures. Wherefore we confess one Christ, one Son, one Lord.
According to this understanding of this unmixed union, we confess the holy Virgin to be Mother of God; because God the Word was incarnate and became Man, and from this conception he united the temple taken from her with himself.

Full text:

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3811.htm

Peace

 

[IamAdopted]

No

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Amen.. Thank you

 

[lionroar0]

Human nature and sin nature are two completely different things.

Peace

 

[Iollain]

Jesus the God? Are we unduly separating the Hypostaic Union now?

Jesus is God and Human; Divine and Man. Both at once, yet unconfused: Two cooperative wills...to separate them as you are doing is monothelitism, not Christianity!



That's what the Holy Bible says, right?



Who is 100% Man too. Now we are venturing in monophysitism too!



The Nicene Creed is clear in the belief in the Judgment. Has the Judgment occurred? No one can experience heaven unless they've been given Final Judgment. Therefore, they are not experiencing either heaven or hell.



They aren't in heaven or hell either.



Yet you have clearly separated the Hypostic Union of the Messiah by picking apart when Jesus is God and when Jesus is Man. He's both, cooperatively yet unconfused. To suggest, in any way, shape, or form anything else is not acceptable by the Nicene Creed or the Chalcedonian Definition.

That was a spectacular way to change the subject of the thread.

 

[Iollain]

That has nothing to do with the thread, it is about visiting someone, actually, in the form of a statue, and receiving graces because of it.

 

[PaladinValer]

That was a spectacular way to change the subject of the thread.

Not entirely, since the Hypostatic Union deals directly when it comes to the veneration of the Saints.

 

[IamAdopted]

That has nothing to do with the thread, it is about visiting someone, actually, in the form of a statue, and receiving graces because of it.

How can a image of stone give graces? This is silly.

 

[Oblio]

It doesn't give graces. You are misunderstanding the beliefs of others.

FTR, Orthodox don't have statues, yet we are defending the Christian practice of others that do. IOW, we do not condemn someone (or claim that God does) just because they have a different Christian praxis than us.

 

[Iollain]

Oblio, read the OP and agree or disagree with it, that is what the thread is about.

 

[Debi1967]

Iollian do you believe that you can be used by God?

 

[sunlover1]

innumerable favors granted by the Mother of God to those who practised this most profitable devotion of often visiting her in her churches or before some image.

Oblio, read the OP and agree or disagree with it, that is what the thread is about.

What does the Bible say about such?
They're talking about 'visiting' Mary (after death ) in "her" churches or "before some image"...

Doesn't sound fruitful imo.
I guess I would tell them their devotion is a bit misdirected.

 

[Rick Otto]

In Father Auriemma's little book, Affetti Scambievoli [Affetti Scam. p. 2. c. 3], we read of innumerable favors granted by the Mother of God to those who practised this most profitable devotion of often visiting her in her churches or before some image. We read of the graces which she granted in these visits to Saint Albert the Great, to the Abbot Rupert, to Father Suarez, especially when she obtained for them the gift of understanding, by which they afterwards became so renowned throughout the Church for their great learning: the graces which she granted to Saint John Berchmans of the Society of Jesus, who was in the daily habit of visiting Mary in a chapel of the Roman college; he declared that he renounced all earthly love, to love no other after God than the Most Blessed Virgin, and had written at the foot of the image of his beloved Lady: "I will never rest until I shall have obtained a tender love for my Mother."; the graces which she granted to St. Bernardine of Siena, who in his youth also went every day to visit her in a chapel near the city-gate

http://www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/blessed-sacrament.htm

Io, some men are just more comfortable with statues than real women. Real women can be chatty & needy. Men hate that.
Is there a fine line between devotion & obsession?